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Two points deadlock with TTP

Taliban are all the same. If Punjabi Taliban can return to normalcy, so can others. But the problem with tribal Taliban is that they have to keep their land and values with them.

Did we ask Punjabi Taliban to leave Punjab? No. They are living as they were living before.

So the tribal Taliban have every right to live in tribal areas. Their land their values. It is best if that is managed by federal government.
 
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First of all I want to say that reducing TTP to just two demands is quite an achievement. Wonder if not capitalize on it.

Let's check their two demands;

1. Reversal of FATA merger with KPK.​
2. They won't lay down weapons and return as victorious.​

Reversal of FATA merger with KPK

Before 1947
The British Raj attempted to control the population of the annexed tribal regions with the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR), which granted large amounts of power to local leaders along the North-West Frontier as part of the process of indirect rule.[5][6][7] Due to "the extremely harsh, inhuman and discriminatory provisions" contained within the FCR, the legislation came to be known as the "black law."[7]

After independence
The annexed areas continued to be governed through the Frontier Crimes Regulations after the creation of Pakistan in 1947, by the Dominion of Pakistan in 1947, and into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1956.[11] Even in the 1970s travellers through the Khyber Pass, such as those taking the Hippie Trail, were warned to stay close to the road because the Pakistani government had no control over the adjacent lands.

But, in the 1950s, several jirgas had decided to support Pakistan. It was the time to merge FATA but it didn't happen. That caused many issues and with the entry of the USA in Afghanistan, those issues surfaced more prominently.

In 2018, when there were echoes of having more administrative units, FATA was merged with KPK.

Hence there are two, I would say blunders. One, when there was time to merge FATA, we toed the line of British, maintained FCR and kept FATA at distance. And two, when there was time to make FATA a separate administrative unit, we merged it with KPK; I believe considering the needs of the USA in the neighborhood.

So there was no 'Pakistan' neither earlier nor now.

Laying down weapons

Weapons for the sake of weapons are only for the show off and more of a cultural thing for tribal areas:-

Even with the advent of globalization and economic development, studies show that Pashtunwali still holds importance for Pashtuns living in the tribal areas (Khayyam, Ullah, & Shah, 2018). Some of the major Pashtun cultural codes include Badal (revenge and reciprocity), Badragga (safe conduct), Hujrah (Pashtun common sitting place), Jirga (Pashtun tribal councils), Lashkar (militias), Melmastya (hospitality), Nanawatay (law of refuge/forgiveness), Nang (honor), and Tiga (truce), among others.

Johansen (1997) argues,
In characterizing the Pashtuns as subhuman savages, uncivilized brutes, and treacherous murderers, the British no doubt expressed negative stereotypes commonplace in British imperial thinking, overlooking both positive Pashtun qualities and the likely causes of the pervasive violence. (p. 57)

Such negative stereotypes and dichotomies toward the tribal Pashtuns in the colonial literature have been criticized by Charles Lindholm, who believes that such narratives were “a norm rather than an exception,” where the Pashtuns were viewed in binaries such as “brave and honourable” or “treacherous scoundrels” (Lindholm, 1980, p. 350). Moreover, excessive reliance on colonial literature for understanding the tribal Pashtuns has resulted in these tribes being lookup upon as conservative and inward (Zahab, 2016). In this regard, Malik (2016, p. 29) argues that it was a major “intellectual polarization” among the British colonial writers that perceived Pashtuns “having propensity for violence.” However, this “intellectual polarization” has existed, in some way, even after the British Raj left the Indian subcontinent in 1947.

So carrying weapons is about keeping the culture alive and Pakistan as a state won't kill the culture of any of it's communities. Similarly if we take decisions being pure Pakistanis, we can have FATA in refined state as a region free from drugs and other illegal activities.
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If we give in to these bastards, then our establishment has gone to the dogs. Yes, you heard it from me and then you can blame our Rommels and Guderians and I would not fault you. Nobody has killed more Pakistanis in all of our 70+ years history than TTP and making peace with these traitors of FATA is akin to jumping on the graves of each and every one of the ~133 APS children and thousands of other Pakistanis who have died at their hands.

If we make peace with them then you can blame the following without exception: Our establishment (military), Government at the Center (PDM), provincial government (PTI) and ALSO the locals of FATA for first letting these bastards regroup in their own areas by providing them manpower and then for blackmailing the government with these useless demonstrations.

These bastards will keep on coming back just because we have not nipped them at the bud. Lesson from Lal Masjid is that before their heads get too big, you have to eliminate the threat. We have consistently appeased and waited for these issues/groups to become much larger. This is not to say talks should not be given a chance but if the other side tells you to take your constitution and go forth and multiply then what is left to talk about?
 
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Nobody has killed more Pakistanis in all of our 70+ years history than TTP and making peace with these traitors of FATA is akin to jumping on the graves of each and every one of the 124 children and thousands of other Pakistanis who have died at their hands.
MQM and others have killed 40k Pakistanis in Karachi. I hope they won't rise again. Mumbai stock exchange has more capital than Pakistan's GDP. It bleeds my heart that Mumbai has recovered from 92 bhai's era. We were struck with the same menace at a similar time but still are in that.
These bastards will keep on coming back just because we have not nipped them at the bud. Lesson from Lal Masjid is that before their heads get too big
Lal masjid incident was mishandled as they didn't kill anyone just before the onset of the operation.
 
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MQM and others have killed 40k Pakistanis in Karachi. I hope they won't rise again. Mumbai stock exchange has more capital than Pakistan's GDP. It bleeds my heart that Mumbai has recovered from 92 bhai's era. We were struck with the same menace at a similar time but still are in that.

Lal masjid incident was mishandled as they didn't kill anyone just before the onset of the operation.
Yes, so if MQM associated violence killed 40K Karachiites and you completely emasculated the party, then why should TTP be handled any differently?
 
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FATA is Pakistan. FATA cannot be given to terrorist khawarij.
Cut the head of every khawarij. Kill then where ever you see them. If they unconditionally surrender then we can think about pardoning them. But no negotiations with khawarij whatsoever! I use to think we can negotiate with these dogs of hell but I was wrong. Behead every single khawarij and spill their blood wherever you see them.
We as Muslims are told to fight khawarij and kill them. The reward for killing khawarij is great.
Every Pakistani Muslim should be prepared and ready always. Whenever you see these dogs of hell kill them on site!
 
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Yes, so if MQM associated violence killed 40K Karachiites and you completely emasculated the party, then why should TTP be handled any differently?
TTP has crossed all the lines and mustn't be given any further chance as they gained strength in the truce. They are open/declared militants.
I mentioned MQM as they mustn't be begotten again.
 
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Swines want to invite all their buddies from central Asia to launch an attack as they did previously in North Waziristan.
 
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It's pathetic that talks are even being considered with a terrorist organisation, you have absolute military might and you should dictate the status quo exactly as you want it.

Who tf negotiates with terrorists to begin with?

Swines want to invite all their buddies from central Asia to launch an attack as they did previously in North Waziristan.
Moment you leave them to themselves without at least some monitoring it's going to be filled with tens of thousands of armed terrorists again.

They need education and infrastructure, the mindset needs to be molded.
 
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First of all I want to say that reducing TTP to just two demands is quite an achievement. Wonder if not capitalize on it.

Let's check their two demands;

1. Reversal of FATA merger with KPK.​
2. They won't lay down weapons and return as victorious.​

Reversal of FATA merger with KPK

Before 1947
The British Raj attempted to control the population of the annexed tribal regions with the Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR), which granted large amounts of power to local leaders along the North-West Frontier as part of the process of indirect rule.[5][6][7] Due to "the extremely harsh, inhuman and discriminatory provisions" contained within the FCR, the legislation came to be known as the "black law."[7]

After independence
The annexed areas continued to be governed through the Frontier Crimes Regulations after the creation of Pakistan in 1947, by the Dominion of Pakistan in 1947, and into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1956.[11] Even in the 1970s travellers through the Khyber Pass, such as those taking the Hippie Trail, were warned to stay close to the road because the Pakistani government had no control over the adjacent lands.

But, in the 1950s, several jirgas had decided to support Pakistan. It was the time to merge FATA but it didn't happen. That caused many issues and with the entry of the USA in Afghanistan, those issues surfaced more prominently.

In 2018, when there were echoes of having more administrative units, FATA was merged with KPK.

Hence there are two, I would say blunders. One, when there was time to merge FATA, we toed the line of British, maintained FCR and kept FATA at distance. And two, when there was time to make FATA a separate administrative unit, we merged it with KPK; I believe considering the needs of the USA in the neighborhood.

So there was no 'Pakistan' neither earlier nor now.

Laying down weapons

Weapons for the sake of weapons are only for the show off and more of a cultural thing for tribal areas:-

Even with the advent of globalization and economic development, studies show that Pashtunwali still holds importance for Pashtuns living in the tribal areas (Khayyam, Ullah, & Shah, 2018). Some of the major Pashtun cultural codes include Badal (revenge and reciprocity), Badragga (safe conduct), Hujrah (Pashtun common sitting place), Jirga (Pashtun tribal councils), Lashkar (militias), Melmastya (hospitality), Nanawatay (law of refuge/forgiveness), Nang (honor), and Tiga (truce), among others.

Johansen (1997) argues,
In characterizing the Pashtuns as subhuman savages, uncivilized brutes, and treacherous murderers, the British no doubt expressed negative stereotypes commonplace in British imperial thinking, overlooking both positive Pashtun qualities and the likely causes of the pervasive violence. (p. 57)

Such negative stereotypes and dichotomies toward the tribal Pashtuns in the colonial literature have been criticized by Charles Lindholm, who believes that such narratives were “a norm rather than an exception,” where the Pashtuns were viewed in binaries such as “brave and honourable” or “treacherous scoundrels” (Lindholm, 1980, p. 350). Moreover, excessive reliance on colonial literature for understanding the tribal Pashtuns has resulted in these tribes being lookup upon as conservative and inward (Zahab, 2016). In this regard, Malik (2016, p. 29) argues that it was a major “intellectual polarization” among the British colonial writers that perceived Pashtuns “having propensity for violence.” However, this “intellectual polarization” has existed, in some way, even after the British Raj left the Indian subcontinent in 1947.

So carrying weapons is about keeping the culture alive and Pakistan as a state won't kill the culture of any of it's communities. Similarly if we take decisions being pure Pakistanis, we can have FATA in refined state as a region free from drugs and other illegal activities.
They already implemented point number 2 during the earlier negotiations for the past 1-2 years, end result has saw them create more cells, penetrate into Pakistan and take up arms again.
 
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If we give in to these bastards, then our establishment has gone to the dogs. Yes, you heard it from me and then you can blame our Rommels and Guderians and I would not fault you. Nobody has killed more Pakistanis in all of our 70+ years history than TTP and making peace with these traitors of FATA is akin to jumping on the graves of each and every one of the ~133 APS children and thousands of other Pakistanis who have died at their hands.

If we make peace with them then you can blame the following without exception: Our establishment (military), Government at the Center (PDM), provincial government (PTI) and ALSO the locals of FATA for first letting these bastards regroup in their own areas by providing them manpower and then for blackmailing the government with these useless demonstrations.

These bastards will keep on coming back just because we have not nipped them at the bud. Lesson from Lal Masjid is that before their heads get too big, you have to eliminate the threat. We have consistently appeased and waited for these issues/groups to become much larger. This is not to say talks should not be given a chance but if the other side tells you to take your constitution and go forth and multiply then what is left to talk about?
Constitution might have been written twenty years ago but people are living version of constitution which keeps updating every moment. If someone is respecting the people, one is actually respecting the constitution.

Now, we can see who is respecting the people, PDM or TTP.
 
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