Twin Engined Deck Based Fighter [TEDBF] Development | Updates & Discussions.

[ChennaiDude]

wake me up in 2090 when first prototype will fly .

Hopefully in 2090- We can both have a drink together and laugh about our time on Earth-(I will be 110 years by then)

 

[Chhatrapati]

Reinventing the wheel, twin engined LCA with canards looks like a Rafael.

No. Look at the designs of Rafales, check the high angle of attack of Rafale.
And Rafael is an Israeli company that made the Iron Dome.

Indian Government if is stupid enough to only let HAL develop this than this plane is not happening, but if they let private companies specially big giants be part of this than they can get first plane before 6 years.

HAL is not developing everything. A lot of components are subcontracted to private players in India.

 

[Imran Khan]

Hopefully in 2090- We can both have a drink together and laugh about our time on Earth-(I will be 110 years by then)

I will not die until i see all thesejets flying

 

[ChennaiDude]

I will not die until i see all thesejets flying

We can still see it-But not from earth!- Have a laugh about how silly Humans Are!

 

[Zapper]

Reinventing the wheel, twin engined LCA with canards looks like a Rafael.

This isn't any where close to LCA but in the class of Rafale and the likes

1. LCA
2. NLCA
3. New NLCA
4. LCA mk2

There's no NLCA nor new NLCA

The LCA Mk-2 is actually the MWF (Medium Weight Fighter) which is an enlarged version of LCA, with a larger airframe, canards, more hardpoints, extended range, indigenous radar/avionics and other sub-systems

Navy wants a twin engine fighter to be operated from the AC's which is why TEDBF would be a dual engined naval version of MWF, with a slightly larger airframe to accommodate 2 engines

Indian Government if is stupid enough to only let HAL develop this than this plane is not happening, but if they let private companies specially big giants be part of this than they can get first plane before 6 years

Production rate of LCA has been upped to 16 recently with the involvement of several private Indian firms while HAL acts as the lead integrator

Since future platforms will include a much higher indigenous content, several sub-systems will be manufactured by BEL like companies and HAL will still only be the lead integrator

Don't you think you had been "over ambitious"!!

The LCA project, while it faced several delays resulted in setting up research labs, testing facilities, required manufacturing expertise which will help us fastrack future projects. No wonder, the MWF design was freezed at such a quick pace and metal cutting for the initial prototypes was scheduled to begin later this year but might be delayed to early 2021 due to covid

 

[Beast]

wake me up in 2090 when first prototype will fly .

Not in my lifetime.

 

[Imran Khan]

Not in my lifetime.

i selected this option so i can live long may be i became immortal

 

[Ahmad Saleem]

New Made-In-India Fighter Cleared For Development, First Flight In 6 Years
The new fighter-jet will be designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant.
All India Written by Vishnu Som
Updated: June 04, 2020 03:50 pm IST

New Delhi: Buoyed by the success of trial landings of the Tejas-N fighter on board the Navy aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has given the go ahead for the development of a twin engine made-in-India fighter jet.

NDTV has learnt that the governing body of ADA, the principal designer of the Tejas fighter, now in squadron service with the Indian Air Force, has discussed the indigenous development of the new fighter in a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by the Navy and Air Force Chiefs on 22 May. Following this meeting, the Operational Requirements (ORs) for the new fighter were issued by the Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence.
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Development of the new fighter jet comes at a time when the government announced a series of structural reforms in the Defence sector under the "Atmanirbhar" or self-reliance goal which is meant to result in India dramatically cutting down on its defence imports.

Based on the Tejas fighter, the new Navy fighter is meant to supplement MiG-29s.



The prototype of the new fighter-jet, designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers, INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant, is meant to fly within six years with induction of the fighter within a decade.

The fighter, plans for which were first reported on NDTV in January, is a twin-engine evolution of Tejas-N prototype which has been indigenously developed and extensively test-flown.




The Tejas-N programme culminated with a series of "arrested landings" and take-offs from INS Vikramaditya off the Goa coast where two prototypes of the jet were able to successfully land on the carrier in January by using its arrestor hook to snare steel wires spread across the deck of the ship. This allowed the fighters to decelerate from approximately 244 kmph (the landing speed) to a standstill in approximately two seconds in a distance under 90 metres, within the length of the deck of INS Vikramaditya.

The Aeronautical Development Agency has given the go-ahead for the development of the fighter jet.

Those involved in the design and development of the new Indian fighter, an advanced variant of the single-engine Tejas-N, say that they have benchmarked the performance characteristics of the jet to Boeing's F/A-18 E/F "Super Hornet", in service with the US Navy and the Marine Rafale, deployed on the French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. They say the new jet may imbibe technologies being developed for the IAF's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) but will not be a stealth fighter in the same class.

Extensive tests on Tejas-N prototype gave designers confidence to proceed to develop larger aircraft.

At least three variations of the design of the new fighter are being studied presently and Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) tests and wind tunnel modelling will ensure the optimum shape of the fighter to match its projected operational capabilities. It's still unclear whether the new fighter will be a tail-less delta platform, similar to the IAF's LCA Tejas fighter or, for that matter, feature canards, a small forewing placed ahead of the main wing of the aircraft to aid manoeuvrability.

The new fighter, once inducted, is meant to supplement and ultimately replace the Indian Navy's fleet of MiG-29K fighters presently in service on board the INS Vikramaditya. A high-performance jet, the MiG-29K has been plagued with serviceability issues in Indian Navy service. The new indigenous fighter is designed to be more reliable. Those close to the project have told NDTV that they expect the new fighter to be able to be armed with at least six air to air missiles with an operational endurance of approximately two hours.





The project to develop a twin engine deck-based fighter (TEDBF) reflects a maturity and confidence in the development of the Tejas fighter jet upon which the new fighter will be based. On May 27, the Indian Air Force operationalised its second Tejas fighter jet squadron after first inducting the jet in 2016. Multiple variants of the Tejas based on additional capabilities are being progressively inducted. The most advanced variant of the fighter for the IAF, the Tejas Mk-2 is expected to be inducted by 2025. The new fighter being developed for the Navy is being classified as an altogether different fighter and is expected to be superior to the IAF's Tejas Mk-2 in several respects, once developed.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/new...flight-in-6-years-2240666?pfrom=home-bigstory

Nice fighter picture dear

 

[Secularindian]

Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)

 

[ColonelSanders]

New Made-In-India Fighter Cleared For Development, First Flight In 6 Years
The new fighter-jet will be designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant.
All India Written by Vishnu Som
Updated: June 04, 2020 03:50 pm IST

New Delhi: Buoyed by the success of trial landings of the Tejas-N fighter on board the Navy aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has given the go ahead for the development of a twin engine made-in-India fighter jet.

NDTV has learnt that the governing body of ADA, the principal designer of the Tejas fighter, now in squadron service with the Indian Air Force, has discussed the indigenous development of the new fighter in a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by the Navy and Air Force Chiefs on 22 May. Following this meeting, the Operational Requirements (ORs) for the new fighter were issued by the Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence.
View attachment 638352

Development of the new fighter jet comes at a time when the government announced a series of structural reforms in the Defence sector under the "Atmanirbhar" or self-reliance goal which is meant to result in India dramatically cutting down on its defence imports.

Based on the Tejas fighter, the new Navy fighter is meant to supplement MiG-29s.



The prototype of the new fighter-jet, designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers, INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant, is meant to fly within six years with induction of the fighter within a decade.

The fighter, plans for which were first reported on NDTV in January, is a twin-engine evolution of Tejas-N prototype which has been indigenously developed and extensively test-flown.




The Tejas-N programme culminated with a series of "arrested landings" and take-offs from INS Vikramaditya off the Goa coast where two prototypes of the jet were able to successfully land on the carrier in January by using its arrestor hook to snare steel wires spread across the deck of the ship. This allowed the fighters to decelerate from approximately 244 kmph (the landing speed) to a standstill in approximately two seconds in a distance under 90 metres, within the length of the deck of INS Vikramaditya.

The Aeronautical Development Agency has given the go-ahead for the development of the fighter jet.

Those involved in the design and development of the new Indian fighter, an advanced variant of the single-engine Tejas-N, say that they have benchmarked the performance characteristics of the jet to Boeing's F/A-18 E/F "Super Hornet", in service with the US Navy and the Marine Rafale, deployed on the French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. They say the new jet may imbibe technologies being developed for the IAF's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) but will not be a stealth fighter in the same class.

Extensive tests on Tejas-N prototype gave designers confidence to proceed to develop larger aircraft.

At least three variations of the design of the new fighter are being studied presently and Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) tests and wind tunnel modelling will ensure the optimum shape of the fighter to match its projected operational capabilities. It's still unclear whether the new fighter will be a tail-less delta platform, similar to the IAF's LCA Tejas fighter or, for that matter, feature canards, a small forewing placed ahead of the main wing of the aircraft to aid manoeuvrability.

The new fighter, once inducted, is meant to supplement and ultimately replace the Indian Navy's fleet of MiG-29K fighters presently in service on board the INS Vikramaditya. A high-performance jet, the MiG-29K has been plagued with serviceability issues in Indian Navy service. The new indigenous fighter is designed to be more reliable. Those close to the project have told NDTV that they expect the new fighter to be able to be armed with at least six air to air missiles with an operational endurance of approximately two hours.





The project to develop a twin engine deck-based fighter (TEDBF) reflects a maturity and confidence in the development of the Tejas fighter jet upon which the new fighter will be based. On May 27, the Indian Air Force operationalised its second Tejas fighter jet squadron after first inducting the jet in 2016. Multiple variants of the Tejas based on additional capabilities are being progressively inducted. The most advanced variant of the fighter for the IAF, the Tejas Mk-2 is expected to be inducted by 2025. The new fighter being developed for the Navy is being classified as an altogether different fighter and is expected to be superior to the IAF's Tejas Mk-2 in several respects, once developed.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/new...flight-in-6-years-2240666?pfrom=home-bigstory

Doesn't matter what and when... We will be ready for target practice.

 

[Indos]

This isn't any where close to LCA but in the class of Rafale and the likes


There's no NLCA nor new NLCA

The LCA Mk-2 is actually the MWF (Medium Weight Fighter) which is an enlarged version of LCA, with a larger airframe, canards, more hardpoints, extended range, indigenous radar/avionics and other sub-systems

Navy wants a twin engine fighter to be operated from the AC's which is why TEDBF would be a dual engined naval version of MWF, with a slightly larger airframe to accommodate 2 engines


Production rate of LCA has been upped to 16 recently with the involvement of several private Indian firms while HAL acts as the lead integrator

Since future platforms will include a much higher indigenous content, several sub-systems will be manufactured by BEL like companies and HAL will still only be the lead integrator


The LCA project, while it faced several delays resulted in setting up research labs, testing facilities, required manufacturing expertise which will help us fastrack future projects. No wonder, the MWF design was freezed at such a quick pace and metal cutting for the initial prototypes was scheduled to begin later this year but might be delayed to early 2021 due to covid

Look like you have so many on going project. When LCA Mk2, that later turn into MWF, is not yet finish making first prototype then this double engine Tejas comes out. It is not even economical to build airplane for the sake of 1-2 aircraft carriers.

 

[Zapper]

Look like you have so many on going project. When LCA Mk2, that later turn into MWF, is not yet finish making first prototype then this double engine Tejas comes out. It is not even economical to build airplane for the sake of 1-2 aircraft carriers.

One is a single engine while the other is dual engined fighter. Also, TEDBF isn't just for 2 aircraft carriers but will eventually replace the recently retired Harriers, and the entire fleet of Mig-29's currently in service with IN. Also, IAC-3 has been put on hold but if IN decides to revive it, there'd be an additional requirement of 54 fighter jets

This is similar to USN's F-18s where they're not only launched from AC's but also from the ground

Secondly, CDS Bipin Rawat recently stated that MMRCA 2.0 might be cancelled which suggests LCA-Mk1A and MWF will act as replacements. If IAF finds the TEDBF to be good enough or AMCA is delayed for some reason, they might ask ADA to develop an airforce version of the TEDBF

I like it but its a light fighter, does it really makes sense to put such an aircraft onto such a strategic vessel?

That's only an unofficial render

Hmmm so it means no F18, Rafales, Further Mig29Ks order?

F-18s were never considered in the first place. Rafale-M's would've had a chance if IAC-3 wasn't put on hold and if MMRCA 2.0 wasn't cancelled since that would enable both IN and IAF to go for local production of Rafales with ToT.

Given the timeline on when IAC-3 might be cleared (if it does) and constructions starts, there's a high possibility TEDBF's initial prototypes might take shape

 

[Maarkhoor]

I will not die until i see all thesejets flying

So you don't want to die " ever "?

 

[Trango Towers]

6 years 1st flight.

Gambling is haram...but this is no gamble I am putting money they won't make it. This is a sure thing and no risk involved. Fatwa....by mufti trango

 

[drumstick]

I believe Tejas MK2 wont have any tech demonstrator so the entire development cycle from TD to SLP is cut off... may be by 5 years or so.
Thus the MK2 IOC version will be earlier than what happened with Tejas... also Tejas MK2 expected to be a different name