Turkish VP: Cold War With China Is a “Creative Opportunity” To Mend U.S.-Turkey Ties

[Paul2]

All in all, US/EU has a stronger stance, they would rather wait for post Erdogan era to amend the relationship.

Very glad to see other Chinese poster going on this.

In a decade or so, there will be a complete sea change is coming in, well, many things. In China, and abroad.

None of the current wave of big mouth rightist leaders have solid contingency plans, or none at all.

Even if they are not going to kick the bucket, in a decade or so they are going to be lame ducks within their own establishment, isolated, with new cadres running circles around them.

For Tayyip, it makes no difference if Gul—Davutoğlu + new upstarts axis can push him out to of power directly, or by leaving Tayyip no alternative on cadre appointments, and allies on political arena. His relationship with army may sour too, given the irony that the military faction that supported him were all more rightist than he himself was.

Xi will be stuck with current cohort of 40 something upstarts as his lieutenants, wants he or not, if he is to stay in power. And if he isn't, those guys can come to the apex of power themselves. Can imagine, that will be intense.

For Putin, don't know how it will play out. Obvious thing that the clock is ticking on his ambitions. If he is to kick the bucket, I doubt that the following president will loose an opportunity to do a U-turn in face of shrinking treasury, and ex-Putin lieutenants either deserting, or wanting to take seize power.

For the EU, the götterdämmerung of old political powers is coming, which is evident right now. The post-war pan-EU social-democrat domination will face crisis of succession. For Germany, a new leader of social-democrat camp will have to outshine Merkel if he is to come from it. An unlikely scenario. For France, the last three presidents have basically buried the post-war political establishment. Britain, I believe, will also be in a decade of rapid power successions like France.

As for USA, it's up to a god knows what shake. Invariably of the election outcomes, prepare for 4 more years of weak presidency, and mess. And the presidency after the next term, may well be a weak one. Biden will unlikely run for the second term because of both age, and me not seeing his ratings holding with his marbles going. A giant amount of post-war veteran politicians, and bureaucrats are set to retire in coming years, so expect that not seeing just any same face past the next term.

Pretty much the last remainings of the post-war political order will say bye bye in this decade

 

[azyr]

Very glad to see other Chinese poster going on this.

In a decade or so, there will be a complete sea change is coming in, well, many things. In China, and abroad.

None of the current wave of big mouth rightist leaders have solid contingency plans, or none at all.

Even if they are not going to kick the bucket, in a decade or so they are going to be lame ducks within their own establishment, isolated, with new cadres running circles around them.

For Tayyip, it makes no difference if Gul—Davutoğlu + new upstarts axis can push him out to of power directly, or by leaving Tayyip no alternative on cadre appointments, and allies on political arena. His relationship with army may sour too, given the irony that the military faction that supported him were all more rightist than he himself was.

Xi will be stuck with current cohort of 40 something upstarts as his lieutenants, wants he or not, if he is to stay in power. And if he isn't, those guys can come to the apex of power themselves. Can imagine, that will be intense.

For Putin, don't know how it will play out. Obvious thing that the clock is ticking on his ambitions. If he is to kick the bucket, I doubt that the following president will loose an opportunity to do a U-turn in face of shrinking treasury, and ex-Putin lieutenants either deserting, or wanting to take seize power.

For the EU, the götterdämmerung of old political powers is coming, which is evident right now. The post-war pan-EU social-democrat domination will face crisis of succession. For Germany, a new leader of social-democrat camp will have to outshine Merkel if he is to come from it. An unlikely scenario. For France, the last three presidents have basically buried the post-war political establishment. Britain, I believe, will also be in a decade of rapid power successions like France.

As for USA, it's up to a god knows what shake. Invariably of the election outcomes, prepare for 4 more years of weak presidency, and mess. And the presidency after the next term, may well be a weak one. Biden will unlikely run for the second term because of both age, and me not seeing his ratings holding with his marbles going. A giant amount of post-war veteran politicians, and bureaucrats are set to retire in coming years, so expect that not seeing just any same face past the next term.

Pretty much the last remainings of the post-war political order will say bye bye in this decade

About Xi, is there any realistic chance of a post era Xi proper 2 or more party fight for the government, or do the Chinese expect the status quo to continue after him as well.

And is there a chance that Xi might be tired of all this and leave his special status as lifetime president for any chance of a different governance to China?

 

[vi-va]

About Xi, is there any realistic chance of a post era Xi proper 2 or more party fight for the government, or do the Chinese expect the status quo to continue after him as well.

And is there a chance that Xi might be tired of all this and leave his special status as lifetime president for any chance of a different governance to China?

no

 

[-SINAN-]

Turkish Economy under attack by the US

Yeah, economy is under attack via heavy bombing from B1 bombers....only stupid people would believe this.

 

[Baybars Han]

Very glad to see other Chinese poster going on this.

In a decade or so, there will be a complete sea change is coming in, well, many things. In China, and abroad.

None of the current wave of big mouth rightist leaders have solid contingency plans, or none at all.

Even if they are not going to kick the bucket, in a decade or so they are going to be lame ducks within their own establishment, isolated, with new cadres running circles around them.

For Tayyip, it makes no difference if Gul—Davutoğlu + new upstarts axis can push him out to of power directly, or by leaving Tayyip no alternative on cadre appointments, and allies on political arena. His relationship with army may sour too, given the irony that the military faction that supported him were all more rightist than he himself was.

Xi will be stuck with current cohort of 40 something upstarts as his lieutenants, wants he or not, if he is to stay in power. And if he isn't, those guys can come to the apex of power themselves. Can imagine, that will be intense.

For Putin, don't know how it will play out. Obvious thing that the clock is ticking on his ambitions. If he is to kick the bucket, I doubt that the following president will loose an opportunity to do a U-turn in face of shrinking treasury, and ex-Putin lieutenants either deserting, or wanting to take seize power.

For the EU, the götterdämmerung of old political powers is coming, which is evident right now. The post-war pan-EU social-democrat domination will face crisis of succession. For Germany, a new leader of social-democrat camp will have to outshine Merkel if he is to come from it. An unlikely scenario. For France, the last three presidents have basically buried the post-war political establishment. Britain, I believe, will also be in a decade of rapid power successions like France.

As for USA, it's up to a god knows what shake. Invariably of the election outcomes, prepare for 4 more years of weak presidency, and mess. And the presidency after the next term, may well be a weak one. Biden will unlikely run for the second term because of both age, and me not seeing his ratings holding with his marbles going. A giant amount of post-war veteran politicians, and bureaucrats are set to retire in coming years, so expect that not seeing just any same face past the next term.

Pretty much the last remainings of the post-war political order will say bye bye in this decade

Damn, you are following every country closely, including internal politics

 

[Bismarck]

Yeah, economy is under attack via heavy bombing from B1 bombers....only stupid people would believe this.

Of course, most is conspiracy theory to fool turkish people. However, if the US President say, he will destroy Turkey economical, you should take it serious, especially if the President is Trump. Thats for sure.

 

[Glass]

Of course, most is conspiracy theory to fool turkish people. However, if the US President say, he will destroy Turkey economical, you should take it serious, especially if the President is Trump. Thats for sure.

"i´ve done it once, i can do it again".

 

[Avatar]

Turkey is better off away from usa. Besides chinese are in no way a threat to turks.

Chinese are sworn enemy of Islam. If they could, they would wipe Islam off the planet because it does not fit into their communist-Confucius ideology. The ughurs are natives of Turkey who have been treated as 2nd class citizens even before the re-education camps began.

 

[Paul2]

or do the Chinese expect the status quo to continue after him as well.

I that's a big question. Depends if the 40-something upstarts will be with him, or against him. They are nominally with him now.

Many people fear two things: 1. Xi looses power in 2022, and there will be a repeat of purges from a decade ago; 2. Xi manages to keep power in 2022, comes back in force, and there will be a repeat of purges from a decade ago.

Many people who worked in Guangzhou administration during Zhang, and Wan, are now bailing out to Canada, or Australia with their families.

Remember, Xi has a very small power base, and very few people whom he can call his right hands, and true allies. If Xi is gone, the few people whom he will leave in power will have to use quite extreme measures to survive.

People are afraid of making a wrong bet, or just any at all, as Xi has a trait that he sees people who try to not take sides as enemies.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Chinese are sworn enemy of Islam. If they could, they would wipe Islam off the planet because it does not fit into their communist-Confucius ideology. The ughurs are natives of Turkey who have been treated as 2nd class citizens even before the re-education camps began.

Hahah where do u get this? I lived in china for 7 years. They accept islam most easily. What do you know perhaps they will be next Islamic super power in a 100 years or so.

I don't see them as anti Islam. Although yes i i see them anti seperatist anti terrorist some uyghurs who want to break china.

There are other 3 types of muslims in china more in number than those uyghurs handful who want to break China.

Im talking about han, hui, tajik, kazakh , canton muslims. Those have no problem.


Also quran has been given highest order or respect among many dynasties of china. Official religious books of china Quran is listed there in constitution.

No other non muslim majority nation does that.

What china does in its country is its right. Just like we cant say anything to turks if they do something against Kurds of turkey .

Same way we cant say anything about china. We onky speak for kashmir in India because it is our territory and our people the Muslims of Pakistan in kashmir are under oppression and occupation by india.

Otherwise we have no business with what others do in their countries its their full right.