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As far as i know Type 214TN also has newer fuel cells, Lithium-ion batteries and non-magnetic steel hull.
The Greeks basically end up as test objects since they ordered the first Type 214s and revealed all the problems.
The Greeks basically end up as test objects since they ordered the first Type 214s and revealed all the problems.
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TCG İstanbul (F-515) will join to Turkish Navy in 2021
TCG İzmir (F-516) will join to Turkish Navy in 2022
TCG İzmit (F-517) will join to Turkish Navy in 2023
TCG İçel (F-518) will join to Turkish Navy in 2024
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Stunning Information About ÇAFRAD and ADVENT Systems Shared at 9th Naval Systems Seminar
At the 9th Naval Systems Seminar, which was held on October 14-15, 2019, with the support of the Turkish Presidency of Defense Industries, Turkish Naval Forces, ODTÜ-BİLTİR, TSS News Group, and AFCEA-TR, at Middle East Technical University (METU) Culture and Convention Center, valuable information about the Multi-Functional Phased Array Radar (ÇAFRAD) and the Network Enabled Data Integrated (ADVENT) Combat Management System was shared with seminar participants.
Issue 96
Speaking at the seminar, Turkish Naval Forces Naval Technical Commander Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Dr. Ramis AKIN shared information saying “Together with Aselsan, we have installed the system to the Tuzla Naval Electronic Warfare Test and Training Field of the Turkish Naval Research Center Command (ARMERKOM/TNRCC). We use the prototype system there. We are continuing our efforts to make the final ÇAFRAD System ready for the TF-2000 Air Defense Warfare (ADW) Destroyer as soon as possible.”
Aselsan Naval Platform Radars Project Manager Dr. Kıvanç İNAN made a presentation titled Multi-Functional Digital Radar Architecture and the ÇAFRAD Solution for Air Defense Warfare Platform on October 14th. In his speech, İNAN stated that digital radars are one of the most critical requirements of today and noted that Aselsan applies all the digital radar technologies such as electronic beam steering active antenna design and Gallium-Arsenite (GaAs) & Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) transmit/receive (T/R) modules in both ÇAFRAD and all of their new generation radars. “We have applied the Gallium-Arsenite (GaAs) in ÇAFRAD Phase-1, and we are switching to Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) in Phase-2. Thanks to our partnership with AB-MikroNano, it will be possible to localize all these Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) transmit/receive (T/R) modules in Phase-2 and on-going radar projects. When we look at digital waveform design, production, and testing, both ÇAFRAD and all of our new generation radars generate digital waveforms.”
Continuing his speech, İNAN also said: “ÇAFRAD is a Multi-Functional Phased Array Radar. What we mean with Multi-Functional is that all activities under the Air Defense Warfare (ADW) and Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) are carried out simultaneously. In other words, ÇAFRAD can perform volume search, horizon line search, precise target tracking, fire control, target illumination, guidance data link, target classification, and coordinated Air Defense Warfare and Anti-Surface Warfare. It also provides an Inverse Synthetic Aperture (ISAR) range profile, operational support, precision approach (PAR) support to helicopters and UAVs, and Command Control (C2) support. The radar optimally performs all these activities and prioritizes these tasks with intelligent resource management planning.”
Noting that all the capabilities of ÇAFRAD are performed simultaneously, İNAN emphasized that ÇAFRAD is capable of electronically scanning the whole space not horizontally but also vertically. “It has an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) architecture. We use thousands of Transmit/Receive (T/R) modules. The acquired data is digitized and then downloaded at the Gigabit level. All the technologies used in the system, especially the ÇAFRAD Phase-1, are of domestic design. In Phase-2, many of these technologies will also be produced domestically.”
İNAN stated that the ÇAFRAD System consists of 4 radars, namely Multi-Function Radar (ÇFR), Illumination Radar (AYR), Long Range Radar (UMR) and IFF System and pointed out that the ÇFR, which has a 400-to-360 degree coverage, functions as the brain of the ÇAFRAD system at close range. “It works in X-Band and can perform all the functions such as volume search, horizon line search, air and surface targets detection, tracking and classification, multi-precision target tracking simultaneously. ÇFR has a range of 150km, and it serves as a fire control radar at close range. ÇFR consists of more than 1,000 modules which can continue to operate even if the antenna elements are damaged. When we look at the AYR, we can say that it is not a radar but an illuminator. This unit provides data link capability to the guided missiles and can illuminate multiple targets simultaneously. On the other hand, the S-Band UMR is the long-range version of the ÇFR and performs all the functions of ÇFR at long range. It can be considered as the long-range version of the ÇFR with a range of approximately 450km. In general, the UMR detects the target at long range then transmits this information to the ÇFR, which engages against it at close range. Finally, we have the non-rotating IFF antenna system with a range of more than 450km. It works together with the UMR. It supports all modes including, Mode 1, 2, 3, 4, C, S, and 5. This long-range IFF system is integrated with the long-range identifier developed by Aselsan and is currently undergoing testing.”
In his speech İNAN also informed the participants about the on-going Phase-1 tests. “In Phase-1, the scaled version of the MFR and the scaled version of the UMR and the final IFF system were produced. The project started in September 2013 and was completed as of December 2018. In this context, the system has been verified up to all sub-components in Phase-1, Phase-2 will only cover the serial production. As the system used in Phase-1 is a slightly scaled model of the final ÇAFRAD system, some of its capabilities are also reduced and scaled. In fact, the only difference is that its range is a bit shorter than the final ÇFR system. The scaled model has less processing capacity for tracking and signal processing because the software and algorithms used in the scaled model are not the final versions. Apart from that, all of the features are exactly the same as the final ÇAFRAD system. The UMR was not tested in Phase-1, because the UMR is the Naval version of the Early Warning Radar System EIRS project that is already being tested. The reason for using the container structure in ÇAFRAD Phase-1 was that we could first test the system in Gölbaşı Ankara thanks to the containers and then we placed this modular structure on the helicopter deck of the TCG Göksu Frigate. As part of the platform integration process, approximately 80 tons of testing equipment was placed on the deck of the ship, and various tests were performed with the system. Before the cruise tests, we didn't make any alterations to the ship's Combat Management System (CMS); instead, we installed a separate mini CMS on the ship. This mini CMS operated in conjunction with the ship's main CMS, and it was connected to the guided-missile infrastructure on the ship. Thus, the ÇAFRAD system operated synchronously with the whole ship. The indigenous high-speed Şimşek drone developed by TUSAŞ was used in the guided missile (RIM-162B Block 1 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile/ESSM) test performed in Sinop on December 11, 2018. During the test, ÇFR first detected and tracked the Şimşek drone then engaged it with a Guided Missile at a specified range. The ESSM guided missile successfully hit the target at the desired range, which was the longest range ever tested. We tested the system with F-16s, helicopters, naval vessels. Finally, the system was installed at Tuzla Naval Academy. The system is located in an area with intense air and sea traffic. Optimization of the system is carried out there by Aselsan with the participation of the Naval Research Center Command (ARMERKOM/TNRCC) officials. Various activities planned for ÇAFRAD Phase-2 will also be tested at Tuzla.”
Underlining that they work with approximately 130 domestic companies under the ÇAFRAD Project, İNAN noted that the ÇAFRAD System could be shaped and scaled according to different platforms. In response to a question, İNAN explained that the Prototype Technology Demonstrator Mast weighs 80 tons, not the final ÇAFRAD system. “As I said, 80 tons is the weight of the whole structure. Antenna subsystems are much smaller and weigh only 2-3 tons.”
Naval Technical Commander Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Ramis AKIN and Navy Captain Cihat ERYİĞİT made a presentation about the ADVENT Combat Management System (CMS), which began development in cooperation with ARMERKOM/TNRCC and Havelsan in 2010, to meet the need of a modern Combat Management System with Network-Centered Warfare capability.
Referring to the ADVENT CMS in his presentation Rear Admiral (LH) Ramis AKIN pointed out that the 4th ship of the MILGEM Project, the TCG Kınalıada is equipped with the national ADVENT Combat Management System. “I would like to proudly announce that ADVENT CMS showed its success in defense of the blue homeland in front of the world about 3 weeks ago. There are probably 3-4 countries that can make such a command and control system in the world. The ADVENT system, which is operated by ARMERKOM/TNRCC and Havelsan under full configuration control of the Turkish Naval Forces, will also be integrated into modernized or newly built submarines with the name MÜREN and maritime patrol aircraft with the name MARTI. ADVENT CMS is planned to be the backbone of the Long Horizon Integrated Maritime Surveillance System (IMSS) Project. Thus, we will acquire sustainable Command Control (C2) capability using standard modules in all surface, underwater, air, and coastal systems with shared development, configuration, and maintenance costs.”
Navy Captain Cihat ERYİĞİT (Ph.D.), Head of the Systems Engineering Group at ARMERKOM/TNRCC, shared valuable information about past, present, and the roadmap of the ADVENT CMS in his presentation titled the Network Enabled Data Integrated (ADVENT) Combat Management System. ERYİĞİT stated that during the integration process of the GENESIS (abbreviation of Ship Integrated Combat Management System in Turkish) into the Gabya Class (G-Class) Frigates and the TCG Heybeliada and TCG Büyükada Corvettes built under the MİLGEM project, the Turkish Naval Forces Command started work on a new generation CMS due to the changes in both operational (Networked Capability, higher performance, shorter reaction time, fault tolerance and the need for Turkish language support) and technological (Programmability) needs. Therefore, the analysis studies for the New Generation CMS started in 2009, and between 2010 and 2014, Phase-I studies were started in the development process of ADVENT CMS under the protocol signed with Havelsan. ERYİĞİT emphasized that the studies on the ADVENT CMS were initiated with the signing of the MİLGEM 3rd and 4th ship contract in 2014 and stated that the ADVENT CMS is currently used in the TCG Kınalıada Corvette. Underlining that Network Enabled Data Integration is the most crucial feature of the ADVENT CMS, ERYİĞİT emphasized that the applications and the systems are no longer platform-oriented but task force oriented and Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) has been gained with ADVENT. ERYİĞİT noted that the 3rd MILGEM Corvette, the TCG Burgazada would be retrofitted with the ADVENT CMS in the near future, and the first trials on Network-Enabled Capability and Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) will be conducted in 2020 with the participation of the TCG Burgazada and the TCG Kınalıada Corvettes.
Underlining that the ADVENT system uses an open-source architecture for security reasons, ERYİĞİT pointed out that the source code is in the hands of the FNFC. Colonel ERYİĞİT stated that the national middleware software called Geniaware is used in the ADVENT CMS with the layered architecture. ERYİĞİT noted that the critical data center middleware makes all application software run independently from the hardware and operating system, enabling the application software to communicate with subsystems and operators. Emphasizing that thanks to the Integrated Tactical Data Link Capability of ADVENT CMS, the Link System can now be accessed from all operator consoles in the Combat Information Center (CIC), ERYİĞİT stated that there is no need for a separate Link Console and the CMS supports Link-11/16/22, as well as the National Tactical Data Link System. ERYİĞİT also pointed out that the wireless communication module developed under the DETTA Project will be used within the scope of the ADVENT Engagement Network. ERYİĞİT stated that the ADVENT CMS will be used in the TCG Anadolu, DİMDEG, BARBAROS MLU, TF-2000, TCG Ufuk, MİLGEM, Burak Class Corvettes (Modernization contract hasn't signed yet) and the Jinnah Class Frigates (Contract signed for ADVENT CMS) built for the Pakistan Navy.
The ADVENT CMS, which has been developed in 3 different facilities of ARMERKOM and Havelsan, is one of the most comprehensive Combat Management Systems both in Turkey and the world with approximately 550 applications and 13 million lines of code. While the ADVENT system with an Open Architecture had 3 million lines of code at the beginning of its development process, this number reached 5 million lines of code at the beginning of 2017. On March 31, 2019, the Presidency of Defense Industries made an announcement on its official Twitter page revealing that Turkish engineers wrote 6 million lines of code for ADVENT software. The GENESIS Combat Management System onboard the Gabya Class, has 3 million lines of code, while the system onboard the TCG Bayraktar (L-402) included national software consisting of 3.9 million lines of code
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...tems-shared-at-9th-naval-systems-seminar-3740
At the 9th Naval Systems Seminar, which was held on October 14-15, 2019, with the support of the Turkish Presidency of Defense Industries, Turkish Naval Forces, ODTÜ-BİLTİR, TSS News Group, and AFCEA-TR, at Middle East Technical University (METU) Culture and Convention Center, valuable information about the Multi-Functional Phased Array Radar (ÇAFRAD) and the Network Enabled Data Integrated (ADVENT) Combat Management System was shared with seminar participants.
Issue 96
Speaking at the seminar, Turkish Naval Forces Naval Technical Commander Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Dr. Ramis AKIN shared information saying “Together with Aselsan, we have installed the system to the Tuzla Naval Electronic Warfare Test and Training Field of the Turkish Naval Research Center Command (ARMERKOM/TNRCC). We use the prototype system there. We are continuing our efforts to make the final ÇAFRAD System ready for the TF-2000 Air Defense Warfare (ADW) Destroyer as soon as possible.”
Aselsan Naval Platform Radars Project Manager Dr. Kıvanç İNAN made a presentation titled Multi-Functional Digital Radar Architecture and the ÇAFRAD Solution for Air Defense Warfare Platform on October 14th. In his speech, İNAN stated that digital radars are one of the most critical requirements of today and noted that Aselsan applies all the digital radar technologies such as electronic beam steering active antenna design and Gallium-Arsenite (GaAs) & Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) transmit/receive (T/R) modules in both ÇAFRAD and all of their new generation radars. “We have applied the Gallium-Arsenite (GaAs) in ÇAFRAD Phase-1, and we are switching to Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) in Phase-2. Thanks to our partnership with AB-MikroNano, it will be possible to localize all these Gallium-Nitrate (GaN) transmit/receive (T/R) modules in Phase-2 and on-going radar projects. When we look at digital waveform design, production, and testing, both ÇAFRAD and all of our new generation radars generate digital waveforms.”
Continuing his speech, İNAN also said: “ÇAFRAD is a Multi-Functional Phased Array Radar. What we mean with Multi-Functional is that all activities under the Air Defense Warfare (ADW) and Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) are carried out simultaneously. In other words, ÇAFRAD can perform volume search, horizon line search, precise target tracking, fire control, target illumination, guidance data link, target classification, and coordinated Air Defense Warfare and Anti-Surface Warfare. It also provides an Inverse Synthetic Aperture (ISAR) range profile, operational support, precision approach (PAR) support to helicopters and UAVs, and Command Control (C2) support. The radar optimally performs all these activities and prioritizes these tasks with intelligent resource management planning.”
Noting that all the capabilities of ÇAFRAD are performed simultaneously, İNAN emphasized that ÇAFRAD is capable of electronically scanning the whole space not horizontally but also vertically. “It has an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) architecture. We use thousands of Transmit/Receive (T/R) modules. The acquired data is digitized and then downloaded at the Gigabit level. All the technologies used in the system, especially the ÇAFRAD Phase-1, are of domestic design. In Phase-2, many of these technologies will also be produced domestically.”
İNAN stated that the ÇAFRAD System consists of 4 radars, namely Multi-Function Radar (ÇFR), Illumination Radar (AYR), Long Range Radar (UMR) and IFF System and pointed out that the ÇFR, which has a 400-to-360 degree coverage, functions as the brain of the ÇAFRAD system at close range. “It works in X-Band and can perform all the functions such as volume search, horizon line search, air and surface targets detection, tracking and classification, multi-precision target tracking simultaneously. ÇFR has a range of 150km, and it serves as a fire control radar at close range. ÇFR consists of more than 1,000 modules which can continue to operate even if the antenna elements are damaged. When we look at the AYR, we can say that it is not a radar but an illuminator. This unit provides data link capability to the guided missiles and can illuminate multiple targets simultaneously. On the other hand, the S-Band UMR is the long-range version of the ÇFR and performs all the functions of ÇFR at long range. It can be considered as the long-range version of the ÇFR with a range of approximately 450km. In general, the UMR detects the target at long range then transmits this information to the ÇFR, which engages against it at close range. Finally, we have the non-rotating IFF antenna system with a range of more than 450km. It works together with the UMR. It supports all modes including, Mode 1, 2, 3, 4, C, S, and 5. This long-range IFF system is integrated with the long-range identifier developed by Aselsan and is currently undergoing testing.”
In his speech İNAN also informed the participants about the on-going Phase-1 tests. “In Phase-1, the scaled version of the MFR and the scaled version of the UMR and the final IFF system were produced. The project started in September 2013 and was completed as of December 2018. In this context, the system has been verified up to all sub-components in Phase-1, Phase-2 will only cover the serial production. As the system used in Phase-1 is a slightly scaled model of the final ÇAFRAD system, some of its capabilities are also reduced and scaled. In fact, the only difference is that its range is a bit shorter than the final ÇFR system. The scaled model has less processing capacity for tracking and signal processing because the software and algorithms used in the scaled model are not the final versions. Apart from that, all of the features are exactly the same as the final ÇAFRAD system. The UMR was not tested in Phase-1, because the UMR is the Naval version of the Early Warning Radar System EIRS project that is already being tested. The reason for using the container structure in ÇAFRAD Phase-1 was that we could first test the system in Gölbaşı Ankara thanks to the containers and then we placed this modular structure on the helicopter deck of the TCG Göksu Frigate. As part of the platform integration process, approximately 80 tons of testing equipment was placed on the deck of the ship, and various tests were performed with the system. Before the cruise tests, we didn't make any alterations to the ship's Combat Management System (CMS); instead, we installed a separate mini CMS on the ship. This mini CMS operated in conjunction with the ship's main CMS, and it was connected to the guided-missile infrastructure on the ship. Thus, the ÇAFRAD system operated synchronously with the whole ship. The indigenous high-speed Şimşek drone developed by TUSAŞ was used in the guided missile (RIM-162B Block 1 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile/ESSM) test performed in Sinop on December 11, 2018. During the test, ÇFR first detected and tracked the Şimşek drone then engaged it with a Guided Missile at a specified range. The ESSM guided missile successfully hit the target at the desired range, which was the longest range ever tested. We tested the system with F-16s, helicopters, naval vessels. Finally, the system was installed at Tuzla Naval Academy. The system is located in an area with intense air and sea traffic. Optimization of the system is carried out there by Aselsan with the participation of the Naval Research Center Command (ARMERKOM/TNRCC) officials. Various activities planned for ÇAFRAD Phase-2 will also be tested at Tuzla.”
Underlining that they work with approximately 130 domestic companies under the ÇAFRAD Project, İNAN noted that the ÇAFRAD System could be shaped and scaled according to different platforms. In response to a question, İNAN explained that the Prototype Technology Demonstrator Mast weighs 80 tons, not the final ÇAFRAD system. “As I said, 80 tons is the weight of the whole structure. Antenna subsystems are much smaller and weigh only 2-3 tons.”
Naval Technical Commander Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Ramis AKIN and Navy Captain Cihat ERYİĞİT made a presentation about the ADVENT Combat Management System (CMS), which began development in cooperation with ARMERKOM/TNRCC and Havelsan in 2010, to meet the need of a modern Combat Management System with Network-Centered Warfare capability.
Referring to the ADVENT CMS in his presentation Rear Admiral (LH) Ramis AKIN pointed out that the 4th ship of the MILGEM Project, the TCG Kınalıada is equipped with the national ADVENT Combat Management System. “I would like to proudly announce that ADVENT CMS showed its success in defense of the blue homeland in front of the world about 3 weeks ago. There are probably 3-4 countries that can make such a command and control system in the world. The ADVENT system, which is operated by ARMERKOM/TNRCC and Havelsan under full configuration control of the Turkish Naval Forces, will also be integrated into modernized or newly built submarines with the name MÜREN and maritime patrol aircraft with the name MARTI. ADVENT CMS is planned to be the backbone of the Long Horizon Integrated Maritime Surveillance System (IMSS) Project. Thus, we will acquire sustainable Command Control (C2) capability using standard modules in all surface, underwater, air, and coastal systems with shared development, configuration, and maintenance costs.”
Navy Captain Cihat ERYİĞİT (Ph.D.), Head of the Systems Engineering Group at ARMERKOM/TNRCC, shared valuable information about past, present, and the roadmap of the ADVENT CMS in his presentation titled the Network Enabled Data Integrated (ADVENT) Combat Management System. ERYİĞİT stated that during the integration process of the GENESIS (abbreviation of Ship Integrated Combat Management System in Turkish) into the Gabya Class (G-Class) Frigates and the TCG Heybeliada and TCG Büyükada Corvettes built under the MİLGEM project, the Turkish Naval Forces Command started work on a new generation CMS due to the changes in both operational (Networked Capability, higher performance, shorter reaction time, fault tolerance and the need for Turkish language support) and technological (Programmability) needs. Therefore, the analysis studies for the New Generation CMS started in 2009, and between 2010 and 2014, Phase-I studies were started in the development process of ADVENT CMS under the protocol signed with Havelsan. ERYİĞİT emphasized that the studies on the ADVENT CMS were initiated with the signing of the MİLGEM 3rd and 4th ship contract in 2014 and stated that the ADVENT CMS is currently used in the TCG Kınalıada Corvette. Underlining that Network Enabled Data Integration is the most crucial feature of the ADVENT CMS, ERYİĞİT emphasized that the applications and the systems are no longer platform-oriented but task force oriented and Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) has been gained with ADVENT. ERYİĞİT noted that the 3rd MILGEM Corvette, the TCG Burgazada would be retrofitted with the ADVENT CMS in the near future, and the first trials on Network-Enabled Capability and Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) will be conducted in 2020 with the participation of the TCG Burgazada and the TCG Kınalıada Corvettes.
Underlining that the ADVENT system uses an open-source architecture for security reasons, ERYİĞİT pointed out that the source code is in the hands of the FNFC. Colonel ERYİĞİT stated that the national middleware software called Geniaware is used in the ADVENT CMS with the layered architecture. ERYİĞİT noted that the critical data center middleware makes all application software run independently from the hardware and operating system, enabling the application software to communicate with subsystems and operators. Emphasizing that thanks to the Integrated Tactical Data Link Capability of ADVENT CMS, the Link System can now be accessed from all operator consoles in the Combat Information Center (CIC), ERYİĞİT stated that there is no need for a separate Link Console and the CMS supports Link-11/16/22, as well as the National Tactical Data Link System. ERYİĞİT also pointed out that the wireless communication module developed under the DETTA Project will be used within the scope of the ADVENT Engagement Network. ERYİĞİT stated that the ADVENT CMS will be used in the TCG Anadolu, DİMDEG, BARBAROS MLU, TF-2000, TCG Ufuk, MİLGEM, Burak Class Corvettes (Modernization contract hasn't signed yet) and the Jinnah Class Frigates (Contract signed for ADVENT CMS) built for the Pakistan Navy.
The ADVENT CMS, which has been developed in 3 different facilities of ARMERKOM and Havelsan, is one of the most comprehensive Combat Management Systems both in Turkey and the world with approximately 550 applications and 13 million lines of code. While the ADVENT system with an Open Architecture had 3 million lines of code at the beginning of its development process, this number reached 5 million lines of code at the beginning of 2017. On March 31, 2019, the Presidency of Defense Industries made an announcement on its official Twitter page revealing that Turkish engineers wrote 6 million lines of code for ADVENT software. The GENESIS Combat Management System onboard the Gabya Class, has 3 million lines of code, while the system onboard the TCG Bayraktar (L-402) included national software consisting of 3.9 million lines of code
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...tems-shared-at-9th-naval-systems-seminar-3740
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very unlikely most likely impossible
is 1st one even launched? and it took between 2-3 year after launch for 4 Ada Class to join the Navy
last Istanbul class will not join until 2030
Thanks nothing to do with 214 rather simply Greek incompetence
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That's not correct bro. Just istanbul will launch 2021 other 3 frigate will enter the service aroun 2024-2025. And big probably project will goes tais. Tais a shipyard group of three shipyard who have very good relations with goverment.
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WECDIS (Warship Electronic Chart Display Information System) Consol mounted and portable options are available..
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The first Multi-Functional Phased Array Radar (ÇAFRAD) was delivered.
https://www.ssb.gov.tr/Website/contentList.aspx?PageID=2334&LangID=1
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Achievements in 2019
1-TCG Anadolu LHD launched
2-TCG Piri Reis AIP Submarine launched
3-TCG Kınalıada started its active duty
4-TCG Ufuk test ship launched
5-Construction activities of TCG Seydi Ali Reis have started which is fifth vessel of its class
6-Atmaca surface-to-surface missile successfully completed all tests.
7-Bozdogan IIR missile's guided air tests have been successfully completed.
8-The advanced network-centric combat management system Advent was successfully applied to TCG kınalıada.
9-Tufan, an electromagnetic cannon system, broke its out of barrel energy record.
1-TCG Anadolu LHD launched
2-TCG Piri Reis AIP Submarine launched
3-TCG Kınalıada started its active duty
4-TCG Ufuk test ship launched
5-Construction activities of TCG Seydi Ali Reis have started which is fifth vessel of its class
6-Atmaca surface-to-surface missile successfully completed all tests.
7-Bozdogan IIR missile's guided air tests have been successfully completed.
8-The advanced network-centric combat management system Advent was successfully applied to TCG kınalıada.
9-Tufan, an electromagnetic cannon system, broke its out of barrel energy record.
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Turkey does not have real Air Defence Frigates. And aircraft's with ashm's biggest threat with submarines againts naval ships. With point defense missiles like essm yours can only engage to missiles and helicopters. İf yours dont have a engage aggressor aircrafts this aircrafts can destroyer your ship easily with satturation strike.
But Turkey dont have any new ship (without tcg istanbul) until 2025-2026 and we cannot have a 4 air defence ship not until 2030-2035. Also greece cannot afford +4 air defence ship due for price. In this point I 'm coming for yours stop gap solution. Turning Barbaros to Light-Med Air Defence Frigates. Two ship classes have a 20+ year life so they are's valuable for modernization.
Solution Package :
- 8-16x External vls for behalf of front ciws for 32-64x Essm .
- Siper or Aster-30 or Sm-2 series or Booster and Rflink added Sm-1 mr or 9M96E2 İntegration to aft vls's
- Smart-s mk2 will be enough but if we want long range searching we can use for that mission licenced smart-l or Degraded less moduled 300 km ranged Çafrad Umr.
- Aselsn akr-d block 2 or mar-d for fire control of long range air defence missile.
- Atmaca upgrade . Land attack and new long range anti ship capability.
- Phalanx ciws and stop/stamp modernization.
So
We can have a 4 Air defence frigate in just one year with less price until 4 tf-2000. Just in one week many more political event rise on east med . We can need that kind of ship.
Ship will look big probably like that without front ciws.
I think 16x vls can fit clearly front anzac class mekos carry 8x ssm on the front.
with air defence capability of 127mm and front essm tube front section does not need ciws.
But Turkey dont have any new ship (without tcg istanbul) until 2025-2026 and we cannot have a 4 air defence ship not until 2030-2035. Also greece cannot afford +4 air defence ship due for price. In this point I 'm coming for yours stop gap solution. Turning Barbaros to Light-Med Air Defence Frigates. Two ship classes have a 20+ year life so they are's valuable for modernization.
Solution Package :
- 8-16x External vls for behalf of front ciws for 32-64x Essm .
- Siper or Aster-30 or Sm-2 series or Booster and Rflink added Sm-1 mr or 9M96E2 İntegration to aft vls's
- Smart-s mk2 will be enough but if we want long range searching we can use for that mission licenced smart-l or Degraded less moduled 300 km ranged Çafrad Umr.
- Aselsn akr-d block 2 or mar-d for fire control of long range air defence missile.
- Atmaca upgrade . Land attack and new long range anti ship capability.
- Phalanx ciws and stop/stamp modernization.
So
We can have a 4 Air defence frigate in just one year with less price until 4 tf-2000. Just in one week many more political event rise on east med . We can need that kind of ship.
Ship will look big probably like that without front ciws.
I think 16x vls can fit clearly front anzac class mekos carry 8x ssm on the front.
with air defence capability of 127mm and front essm tube front section does not need ciws.
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What about Turkish frigates with SM-1 missiles? Currently they aren't just covering the seas they do cover airspace around Turkey.
İ would offer to put a battery of s400 with naval korkut onto an active decent Turkish warship.
İ find Korkut-Naval CIWS is inevitable and unavoidable for every frigates.
Also gps guided 300mm artillery rockets are inexpensive method to attacks. İ would load full of mlrs -g systems onto old frigates which don't have modern sensors if you needed to use old ships .
İ would offer to put a battery of s400 with naval korkut onto an active decent Turkish warship.
İ find Korkut-Naval CIWS is inevitable and unavoidable for every frigates.
Also gps guided 300mm artillery rockets are inexpensive method to attacks. İ would load full of mlrs -g systems onto old frigates which don't have modern sensors if you needed to use old ships .
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We should make small unmanned ships that hunt down bigger ships. In my opinion larger ships are great for moving troops, anti-air and attacking land targets.
However on ship on ship scenario I think swarms of smaller ships armed with anti-ship missiles and torpedoes would be the best option. Of course there are some potential problems with this idea however I think whoever master's this technology will rule the seas.
Does anyone know if such a project is currently being worked on by the Turkish defense industry? I remember seeing something like it in an STM future weapons video.
However on ship on ship scenario I think swarms of smaller ships armed with anti-ship missiles and torpedoes would be the best option. Of course there are some potential problems with this idea however I think whoever master's this technology will rule the seas.
Does anyone know if such a project is currently being worked on by the Turkish defense industry? I remember seeing something like it in an STM future weapons video.
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