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Very good explanation, thank you for so much effort.
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TF-2000 will be the next on the model testing,it will be 2 years later as expected , design will be finalized in 3 years and will be building right after milgem-G's.
Guys any news about LST ?...
I think 1st ship will enter inventory in 1st quarter of 2018... 2nd ship in 2nd half of 2018...
Steel cutting date is May 2014...
Anadolu Den. İnş. Kız. San ve Tic. A.Ş. | Furstrans Grup | LCT | LST | Tersane
Here it says after construction begins 1st ship will be delivered after 44 months and 2nd one is after 52 months....
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And i see nothing here...
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@isoo dude do you have any info regarding LST project? Also can you enlighten us a bit about construction progress of a ship... I don't know if construction road map of all ships are same... I think first they build blocks of the ship inside hangar like buildings then they combine them at the sea side, am i right ? Also can you try to divide time line of each main application ? For example... Preparing steel parts 2/10 of construction time... Finishing blocks takes 3/10... Combining blocks take 2/10... Placing systems(propulsion, weapons etc.) takes 2/10 and tests take 1/10 of construction time line... Sure it can change according to the characteristic of ships but can you tell us about naval ships(ok, there are different naval ships too )
Here i found MSI magazine's 2013 May issue from ADİK's website...
(delete red question marks from the link...)
http://www.?adik.com?tr/haber/Dcmnt114_a1_.pdf
Here some photos i captured from this pdf...
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Sorry, i couldn't understand TF-2000 part... From today how many years later construction of TF-2000 will begin ?
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The location is wrong, your map points somewhere between RMK and SEDEF , which doesnt exist. I can see anything related to LST in here the time of photo capture might be long time really. I think we can see block of LST next to LST on the slipway which is about to be lifted and erected.
About construction progress its hard to give exact fraction , but major time is separated for tests and system integration rather than steel work and block preparing, mounting up. To give an example a commercial ship can be delivered in 11 months and in steel work they are 4 times of LST due to size. so basically 3/10 for total steel work , 2/10 installation of subsystems 5/10 for integration of systems and total tests (i can remember exact numbers but Coast Guards in RMK marin sailed to 60-80 tests with issues or ove 200 tests.)
About TF2000 , as i hope it will be in model testing in 2 years , and after those test we can say there is 1-1.5 year to begin construction.
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The location is wrong, your map points somewhere between RMK and SEDEF , which doesnt exist. I cant see many details related to LST in here the time of photo capture might be long time really. I think we can see block of LST next to LST on the slipway which is about to be lifted and erected.
About construction progress its hard to give exact fraction , but major time is separated for tests and system integration rather than steel work and block preparing, mounting up. To give an example a commercial ship can be delivered in 11 months and in steel work they are 4 times of LST due to size. so basically 3/10 for total steel work , 2/10 installation of subsystems 5/10 for integration of systems and total tests (i can remember exact numbers but Coast Guards in RMK marine sailed to 60-80 tests with issues or ove 200 tests.)
@xxxKULxxx i explained why we cant simply give fractions it will make no sense because the process isnt like a chain, but its more like a tree. In fact the diagram is complicated and each sections have more detailed sub process, but i prepared the simpliest one with rough distribution.
Here illustrations are;
Protoype timeline , NOTE! the timeline above is scaled down to 12 unit, each one may refer to a scale up depends on project. Also the fractions are approximate and not exact.
There is one ship ;prototype case , there will be only a ship to build eventhough there is multiple slipways.
View attachment 237226Scenario 1 , NOTE! the timeline above is scaled down to 12 unit, each one may refer to a scale up depends on project. Also the fractions are approximate and not exact.
There 2 ships to be build but shipyard got one slipway hold , So timeline will be shifted especially on slipway time.View attachment 237227
Scenario 2 , NOTE! the timeline above is scaled down to 12 unit, each one may refer to a scale up depends on project. Also the fractions are approximate and not exact.
There 2 ships to be build but shipyard got 2 slipway hold , So timeline will be compressed around the spent on slipway their launchs will have slight time difference, both might be accepted due to experience gained and applied in 2nd ship ,time spent on 2nd ship will shorten.
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Here is the picture of map, it "seems" to be LST because picture is from 1-1.5 years ago
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About TF2000 , as i hope it will be in model testing in 2 years , and after those test we can say there is 1-1.5 year to begin construction.
A good article (about the project and examples,data) but not a good article in the matter which criticise the words from spoken by a government representative , more seemed like a political sight backgrounded. Because most of the article doesnt have any technical detail, and only focuses to criticize many thing related to government.National contribution to Naval Projects based on a Tableau of the U-214 Subs
"Top 90 dakka döner dolaşır, sonunda hep Almanya kazanır!"
Bileşen Üretici Ülke
Tasarım HDW Almanya
Mühendislik HDW Almanya
Mukavim Tekne Malzemesi ? (Doğu) Almanya 1
Dizel Jeneratörler MTU Almanya
Elektrik Motoru Siemens Almanya
Pervane MMG (?) Almanya
Aküler Exide
Almanya
HBT Sistemi Siemens Almanya
Sonarlar Atlas Elektronik Almanya
Savaş Yönetim Sistemi Atlas Elektronik Almanya - HAVELSA contribution
Periskoplar Carl Zeiss Almanya
Torpil Kovanları HDW Almanya
Torpiller Raytheon ABD - maybe AKYA
Füzeler Boeing ABD ---- maybe ATMACA Sub launched
Çizelge.1) İşte bir denizaltıyı meydana getiren bütün temel bileşenler. Gerçek yerli katkı oranı: %10 !
Cerbe Sınıfı Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi ve Yerli Katkı Oranı - Üsküdar Mühendishanesi
Bro if you could give short english translation for stuff that would be great as there are many non turkish readers.National contribution to Naval Projects based on a Tableau of the U-214 Subs
"Top 90 dakka döner dolaşır, sonunda hep Almanya kazanır!"
Bileşen Üretici Ülke
Tasarım HDW Almanya
Mühendislik HDW Almanya
Mukavim Tekne Malzemesi ? (Doğu) Almanya 1
Dizel Jeneratörler MTU Almanya
Elektrik Motoru Siemens Almanya
Pervane MMG (?) Almanya
Aküler Exide
Almanya
HBT Sistemi Siemens Almanya
Sonarlar Atlas Elektronik Almanya
Savaş Yönetim Sistemi Atlas Elektronik Almanya - HAVELSA contribution
Periskoplar Carl Zeiss Almanya
Torpil Kovanları HDW Almanya
Torpiller Raytheon ABD - maybe AKYA
Füzeler Boeing ABD ---- maybe ATMACA Sub launched
Çizelge.1) İşte bir denizaltıyı meydana getiren bütün temel bileşenler. Gerçek yerli katkı oranı: %10 !
Cerbe Sınıfı Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi ve Yerli Katkı Oranı - Üsküdar Mühendishanesi
DoneGuys any news about LST ?...
I think 1st ship will enter inventory in 1st quarter of 2018... 2nd ship in 2nd half of 2018...
Steel cutting date is May 2014...
Anadolu Den. İnş. Kız. San ve Tic. A.Ş. | Furstrans Grup | LCT | LST | Tersane
Here it says after construction begins 1st ship will be delivered after 44 months and 2nd one is after 52 months....
View attachment 238181
And i see nothing here...
View attachment 237044
@isoo dude do you have any info regarding LST project? Also can you enlighten us a bit about construction progress of a ship... I don't know if construction road map of all ships are same... I think first they build blocks of the ship inside hangar like buildings then they combine them at the sea side, am i right ? Also can you try to divide time line of each main application ? For example... Preparing steel parts 2/10 of construction time... Finishing blocks takes 3/10... Combining blocks take 2/10... Placing systems(propulsion, weapons etc.) takes 2/10 and tests take 1/10 of construction time line... Sure it can change according to the characteristic of ships but can you tell us about naval ships(ok, there are different naval ships too )
Here i found MSI magazine's 2013 May issue from ADİK's website...
(delete red question marks from the link...)
http://www.?adik.com?tr/haber/Dcmnt114_a1_.pdf
Here some photos i captured from this pdf...
View attachment 237046
View attachment 237047 View attachment 237048 View attachment 237049 View attachment 237050View attachment 237045
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Sorry, i couldn't understand TF-2000 part... From today how many years later construction of TF-2000 will begin ?