Turkish Missile Programs

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ROKETSAN magazine January 2015 pdf link...

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[Hakan]

Another possibility is that they made these tests long before when there was no name called as 'MIZRAK'...

You're right here it says that the tests were done in 2012.

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[ozi2000]

Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey
Lale Sariibrahimoglu, Ankara - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
29 January 2015
Germany has offered Turkey the opportunity to participate in the Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines (IDAS) missile project, IHS Jane's has learnt.

Berlin's offer to Ankara was made during a meeting held between Major General Benedikt Zimmer, Director-General of Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support at the German Ministry of Defence (MoD), and Brigadier General Saban Umut, Deputy Head of Co-ordination and Technology, at the Turkish Ministry of Defence.

IDAS is a short-range missile intended to defend against anti-submarine aircraft, as well as offering a capability against small surface vessels and land targets. It is designed to be fired from a submerged submarine, with a four-pack of missiles able to fit within a single torpedo tube.

in 2013 there was an agreement, can anyone has full access to Janes tell us what says rest of the article ? To read the full article, Client Login


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Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey - IHS Jane's 360



IDAS (based on the IRIS-T air-to-air missile) is primarily targeted against air threats, such as ASW helicopters, but also against small or medium-sized surface vessels or coastal land targets. It is currently being developed by Diehl BGT Defence and HDW, which is a part of Thyssen-Krupp Marine Systems (TKMS), to be fired from Type 212's torpedo tubes. IDAS will be fibre-optic guided and officially has a range of approx. 20 km.[1] Four missiles will fit in one torpedo tube, stored in a magazine. First deliveries of IDAS for the German Navy and operational service are planned from 2014 on.[2]


The IDAS system is also the world's first missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats whilst submerged, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes.
On May 2013, the Turkish company Roketsan and the German IDAS Consortium formed by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Diehl BGT Defence signed a cooperation agreement to develop and supply the submarine-launched IDAS (= Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) missile

 

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Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey
Lale Sariibrahimoglu, Ankara - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
29 January 2015
Germany has offered Turkey the opportunity to participate in the Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines (IDAS) missile project, IHS Jane's has learnt.

Berlin's offer to Ankara was made during a meeting held between Major General Benedikt Zimmer, Director-General of Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support at the German Ministry of Defence (MoD), and Brigadier General Saban Umut, Deputy Head of Co-ordination and Technology, at the Turkish Ministry of Defence.

IDAS is a short-range missile intended to defend against anti-submarine aircraft, as well as offering a capability against small surface vessels and land targets. It is designed to be fired from a submerged submarine, with a four-pack of missiles able to fit within a single torpedo tube.


To read the full article, Client Login
Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey - IHS Jane's 360



IDAS (based on the IRIS-T air-to-air missile) is primarily targeted against air threats, such as ASW helicopters, but also against small or medium-sized surface vessels or coastal land targets. It is currently being developed by Diehl BGT Defence and HDW, which is a part of Thyssen-Krupp Marine Systems (TKMS), to be fired from Type 212's torpedo tubes. IDAS will be fibre-optic guided and officially has a range of approx. 20 km.[1] Four missiles will fit in one torpedo tube, stored in a magazine. First deliveries of IDAS for the German Navy and operational service are planned from 2014 on.[2]


The IDAS system is also the world's first missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats whilst submerged, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes.
On May 2013, the Turkish company Roketsan and the German IDAS Consortium formed by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Diehl BGT Defence signed a cooperation agreement to develop and supply the submarine-launched IDAS (= Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) missile

Doesn't make any sense. They already signed an agreement to that effect in 2013. Roketsan was already designing and building the IDAS warhead, and involved in overall design. Turkish company Roketsan joins IDAS common submarine missile project

 

[ozi2000]

Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey
Lale Sariibrahimoglu, Ankara - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
01 February 2015

Maj Gen Zimmer also offered Turkey the opportunity to participate in an in-service support arrangement for the Airbus A400M transport aircraft with other participants in the programme. Turkey has so far received two A400Ms of the 10 it has ordered.

Roketsan signed in 2013 a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Diehl under which the Turkish company will develop warheads for IDAS in return for investing money in the project. Around 80% of the IDAS system development has already been developed by Germany's Diehl BGT Defence.

The German government will first approve the qualification of the IDAS programme before Turkey can also take part in the development of the missiles. The missiles are intended to be fitted into Turkey's new Type 214 submarines that the country is planning to co-produce with Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft and Marine Force International (HDW-MFI).

Turkey signed a EUR2.5 billion agreement with HDW-MFI in July 2009 for the co-production of six Type 214 air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines at the Gölcük naval shipyard in Turkey. At the time it was announced that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80% of the total value of the deal.

However, as a result of ongoing political and technical reasons, the construction of the first submarine is scheduled to begin in 2016, with delivery to the Turkish Navy in 2020 or 2021. Earlier schedules were to begin building the first submarine in 2011 for delivery this year.

Speaking to IHS Jane's , a spokesperson for the Turkish Undersecratariat for Defence Industries (SSM) stated: "SSM has to a great extent reached agreement on technical issues with the German company before the start of the construction of submarines." However they noted that "talks on few issues are continuing, as a result of which delivery of some material has [been] delayed. Once technical issues are resolved construction of the [first] submarine will start."

SSM indicated that the German company will be fined as a result of the delays based on timing and performance criteria within the contract.

ANALYSIS
Speaking to IHS Jane's , one senior Turkish procurement official said: "Ankara will weigh the advantages and disadvantages of both offers of Germany. If Turkey, for instance, takes part in the IDAS project this will give it access to knowledge on missile technology and perhaps a say on technical issues in the programme."

Meanwhile, Turkish-German yearly defence co-operation meetings begun in 2010, were not held in 2013. This was as a result of the wave of anti-government protests in Turkey at the time, which the Turkish government accused Germany, alongside with some other countries, of provoking the demonstrators.

Turkish-German relations soured further in 2014 when after reports in August that the German BND intelligence agency had been spying on Turkey since 1976. Turkey at the time summoned Germany's ambassador in Ankara but took the matter no further. This has led to speculations that Ankara did not cancel the submarine project out of a fear that Bonn may retaliate by revealing damaging information about the Turkish government. This speculation was described as absurd however by the SSM to IHS Jane's .

 

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Germany offers participation in IDAS to Turkey
Lale Sariibrahimoglu, Ankara - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
01 February 2015

Maj Gen Zimmer also offered Turkey the opportunity to participate in an in-service support arrangement for the Airbus A400M transport aircraft with other participants in the programme. Turkey has so far received two A400Ms of the 10 it has ordered.

Roketsan signed in 2013 a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Diehl under which the Turkish company will develop warheads for IDAS in return for investing money in the project. Around 80% of the IDAS system development has already been developed by Germany's Diehl BGT Defence.

The German government will first approve the qualification of the IDAS programme before Turkey can also take part in the development of the missiles. The missiles are intended to be fitted into Turkey's new Type 214 submarines that the country is planning to co-produce with Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft and Marine Force International (HDW-MFI).

Turkey signed a EUR2.5 billion agreement with HDW-MFI in July 2009 for the co-production of six Type 214 air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines at the Gölcük naval shipyard in Turkey. At the time it was announced that Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80% of the total value of the deal.

However, as a result of ongoing political and technical reasons, the construction of the first submarine is scheduled to begin in 2016, with delivery to the Turkish Navy in 2020 or 2021. Earlier schedules were to begin building the first submarine in 2011 for delivery this year.

Speaking to IHS Jane's , a spokesperson for the Turkish Undersecratariat for Defence Industries (SSM) stated: "SSM has to a great extent reached agreement on technical issues with the German company before the start of the construction of submarines." However they noted that "talks on few issues are continuing, as a result of which delivery of some material has [been] delayed. Once technical issues are resolved construction of the [first] submarine will start."

SSM indicated that the German company will be fined as a result of the delays based on timing and performance criteria within the contract.

ANALYSIS
Speaking to IHS Jane's , one senior Turkish procurement official said: "Ankara will weigh the advantages and disadvantages of both offers of Germany. If Turkey, for instance, takes part in the IDAS project this will give it access to knowledge on missile technology and perhaps a say on technical issues in the programme."

Meanwhile, Turkish-German yearly defence co-operation meetings begun in 2010, were not held in 2013. This was as a result of the wave of anti-government protests in Turkey at the time, which the Turkish government accused Germany, alongside with some other countries, of provoking the demonstrators.

Turkish-German relations soured further in 2014 when after reports in August that the German BND intelligence agency had been spying on Turkey since 1976. Turkey at the time summoned Germany's ambassador in Ankara but took the matter no further. This has led to speculations that Ankara did not cancel the submarine project out of a fear that Bonn may retaliate by revealing damaging information about the Turkish government. This speculation was described as absurd however by the SSM to IHS Jane's .

I don't know if they'd let us take a look into the tech they created, but if that happens..

It wud be awsum!!1! :3

 

[turkbordobereli]

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Cabatli said it before but i also saw it in S&H magazine... There are 2 AA missile projects( IR & RF guided) going on...

BTW @Sinan good news for you...

2 of our C-130Ts will be gunship with GAU-23 30 mm Bushmaster... It also writes im S&H...

http://cms.orbitalatk.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Product Data Sheets/108279_01A_GAU-23.pdf

 

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@cabatli_53 or anyone else, any information about these Tubitak SAGE projects from the 90s?

• Projects Completed by TÜBİTAK-SAGE
  - XHAR-90 Short range anti-tank rocket
  - SAGE-71 A/B Short range artillery rocket with composite propellant
  - SAGE-227 A/B/C/D Medium range artillery rocket with composite propellant
  - Anadolu Short range artillery rocket
  - Mızrak Medium range artillery rocket
  - Tamgeç Mine clearing rocket
  - EFAR Hand illumination rocket
  - Eşek Arısı Short range anti-personnel rocket
  - KROM 2.75” Rocket motor with composite case
  - PARS SAGE-227 F Guided missile
  - GPS+INS Navigation system
  - FMCAD Computer aided flight mechanics design software
  - TOROS SAGE-230 A Medium range artillery rocket
  - TOROS SAGE-260 A Long range artillery rocket
  

 

[cabatli_53]

Bro,

SAGE 71, 227, 230 and 260 are same artillery rocket family. Some of them is tested in Samsun.

227A 30km

Pars 227F is guided artillery missile (max 45km range)

Anadolu and Mizrak must be the name of the systems firing above domestic rockets.


EsekArisi is the Turkish copy of LAW anti-personnel rocket

 

[Timur]

EsekArisi

I love that name

 

[xxxKULxxx]

There is a plan to add laser guidence to KGK... It already has about 110-120 km range(from 30.000 ft) and 10 m CEP...

Source: S&H

http://www.sage.tubitak.gov.tr/sites/images/media-youtube/kgk_foy_170412.pdf

Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti (KGK) | SAVUNMA SANAYİİ ARAŞTIRMA VE GELİŞTİRME ENSTİTÜSÜ

 

[ozi2000]

 

[SouI]

After these get done, they should release their 3D schematics and textures to the internet, so that we can see these cool stuffs in games, like DayZ and alike!

They look so cool!

 

[-SINAN-]

Any info about the radars ?

Are they Aselsan made or foreign ?