Turkish Military is better than IDF

[Foinikas]

There are 850+ Turkish military projects ..... Germany and Italy not even close

 

[MMM-E]

Germany

NO Fighter Jet
NO Jet trainer
NO Unmanned Fighter Jet
NO stealth UCAV
NO strategic strike UCAV
NO long range Kamikaze Drone
NO Heavy Attack Helicopter
NO modern Utility Helicopter
NO Airborne stand off Jammer
NO Radar Electronic Warfare System
NO Early Warning long range AESA Radar
NO BVR Air to Air Missile
NO air launched supersonic Missile
NO long range high altitude Air Defense System
NO anti-ship Missile
NO Ballistic Missile
and many more

Hahahahaha

Germany joined French British military technologies for Fighter Jets , Helicopters , Engines , etc



Turkiye has everything

Germany only can dream about Turkish Defense Industry

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Turkish military are better due to their experience against kurds insurgents who got good arms supply from the west.

Of course. But Israel has the massive backing of the western world. And that is all Israel needs. The west controls the financial institutions of much of the world, most countries are under their dominion and they have profited massively over their wealth just because of rigged the system they made in their favor. Most countries got their independence from the west, so, of course the west would utilize them in such a way.

This includes Turkey and Iran. Although Turkey did not get independence from the west, as it was never fully controlled outside of its Ottoman territory, Turkey still is victim to the financial control the west has.

This also includes Iran. And, although Iran is 'sorta' free from total control, they are still victim of the massive control the west has over the global financial institutions which Iran needs to work with. Iran's oil is a life saver for itself.

Let's not get started on Pakistan, which is totally dominated by western financial institutions, the only real thing stopping it from becoming a very powerful Muslim country apart from just military and a few other aspects. Pakistan's strong relations with China helps.

The reason why the west hates China so much is because it is freeing (nearly has) from western financial institutions, so much so, that it has its OWN institutions. China is very powerful in multiple regards. And that is precisely why the west fears China.

 

[RayKalm]

Yes, I'm aware of the Mushshak, it's a civilian product as far as I'm concerned.

The bomb thing I wasn't aware of, POF must have given a price that's even cheaper than MKEK. Although I did not know this, my point still stands.

Just because Israel has nukes, doesn't mean it's "a better army than TAF"

That would depend on what you mean by "better army". No one here is arguing about one army being better than the other. But, it's all perspective. Is the USA a better ground army than Turkey and Egypt in the Middle East? No. Is Pakistan a better missile power than Turkey and Egypt in the Middle East? Yes. Is Israel a stronger army than Pakistan in South Asia? No. Is Turkey a stronger army than France in the Balkans? Yes and No. Is Russia a stronger power than Japan & North Korea in the Korean peninsula? Yes.

As stated, It's all perspective. No one army is truly stronger than another army in this current globalized world, unless you are a superpower. And, even then, there are multiple criteria that one must meet. Russia, China and the US all have nuclear missiles capable of destroying countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, etc., multiple times over without even moving their militaries.

 

[MMM-E]

Russia, China and the US all have nuclear missiles capable of destroying countries like Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, etc., multiple times over without even moving their militaries.

Nuclear weapons can be used only in WW3

USA did not use nuclear weapons against Vietnam
Russia doesnt use nuclear weapons against Ukraine



Military Power = Conventional Power

-- modern weapons ( quality and quantity )
-- defense industry
-- big population
-- strong economy
-- production capability
-- big area and strategic deep for self defense
-- experienced Army
-- brave and warrior race ... ( Military power can be enhanced by combining human potential )
-- allies

 

[RayKalm]

Nuclear weapons can be used only in WW3

USA did not use nuclear weapons against Vietnam
Russia doesnt use nuclear weapons against Ukraine



Military Power = Conventional Power

-- modern weapons ( quality and quantity )
-- defense industry
-- big population
-- strong economy
-- production capability
-- big area and strategic deep for self defense
-- experienced Army
-- brave and warrior race ... ( Military power can be enhanced by combining human potential )
-- allies

Of course. But it is the threat of those weapons what currently matters the most. If the US didn't possess such abilities, I'm pretty sure Iran and a few other Muslim countries would be less reluctant to move against Israel.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

The goal wasn't to have oil supplied it was to sell the oil and make a profit and own the land that the oil sits on. Turkey wanted to invest in oil infrastucture and have big partnerships but their side does not control oil fields.

You got this wrong. Look, I don't know how you understand these situations, but you have to observe more intently and think more critically to get the full picture. The US doesn't want Muslims to know it's fighting a cold and hot war against them in Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Pakistan, etc. The more aware Muslims are, the less popular and less stable US puppet regimes become.

By intervening in Libya, Erdogan prevented the installation of another US puppet dictator. He also killed the EastMed gas plans of Egypt, Israel, etc. Erdogan also secured more source of oil for his country while maintained a critical threat to Arab tyrants like Sisi, MBS, etc.

You keep claiming that oil is controled by Khalifa Haftar. You are wrong. The oilfields and infrastructure may be in his territory, but he doesn't have the military might to defend that territory (which he would have lost if not for Sisi's intervention). today, the GNU is stronger than the GNA ever was (militarily). Haftar cannot risk a confrontation with Tripoli now because he still doesn't have a solution for the drones, and Sisi doesn't want to venture into any foreign military adventure due to the political and economic instability in Egypt.

One last point: Haftar may control the oil infrastructure but the Dbeibah controls the revenue. So, who is more powerful?

Nuclear weapons can be used only in WW3

USA did not use nuclear weapons against Vietnam
Russia doesnt use nuclear weapons against Ukraine



Military Power = Conventional Power

-- modern weapons ( quality and quantity )
-- defense industry
-- big population
-- strong economy
-- production capability
-- big area and strategic deep for self defense
-- experienced Army
-- brave and warrior race ... ( Military power can be enhanced by combining human potential )
-- allies

You are wrong about the use of nukes. The US can and will use nukes against a non-nuclear state if it has to choose between nuking the country and maintaining its hegemony.

 

[MMM-E]

Of course. But it is the threat of those weapons what currently matters the most. If the US didn't possess such abilities, I'm pretty sure Iran and a few other Muslim countries would be less reluctant to move against Israel.

Israel has its own Nuclear Weapons

Not American Nuclear Weapons
but USA's great Conventional Military Power protects tiny Israel

You are wrong about the use of nukes. The US can and will use nukes against a non-nuclear state if it has to choose between nuking the country and maintaining its hegemony.

only during a world war

USA did not use nuclear weapons in Vietnam and Iraq

 

[RayKalm]

Israel has its own Nuclear Weapons

but USA's great Conventional Military Power protects tiny Israel

In an ideal scenario, without western support, the Islamic world would be able to brunt nuclear attacks from Israel. It would not be able to withstand Iranian, Turkish, Egyptian, and Saudi missiles, let alone Pakistanis nukes. So, again, Israel has to rely on the American nuclear shield to get their way.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

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You paid troll. Still trying to create the public perception that the planned war between Turkiye and Greece would be natural not instigate by America to safe its petrodollar puppets in the MENA region.

Is the petrodollar a conspiracy theory?

In an ideal scenario, without western support, the Islamic world would be able to brunt nuclear attacks from Israel. It would not be able to withstand Iranian, Turkish, Egyptian, and Saudi missiles, let alone Pakistanis nukes. So, again, Israel has to rely on the American nuclear shield to get their way.

A single Muslim country can defeat the Israelis militarily. But we need to get rid of the hypocrites in power first, such as the Al-Sauds, Emiratis, El-Sisi, Asim Munirs, etc. As long as these guys continue to rule, Muslims will not develop sufficient strenght.

 

[Foinikas]

You paid troll. Still trying to create the public perception that the planned war between Turkiye and Greece would be natural not instigate by America to safe its petrodollar puppets in the MENA region.

Is the petrodollar a conspiracy theory?

Erdogan tries to start a conflict in 2019-2021....but Danjuma Musa,the Nigerian salafi who adores Erdogan,accuses the Americans and the petrodollar.

 

[Ghostkiller]

By intervening in Libya, Erdogan prevented the installation of another US puppet dictator. He also killed the EastMed gas plans of Egypt, Israel, etc. Erdogan also secured more source of oil for his country while maintained a critical threat to Arab tyrants like Sisi, MBS, etc.

It is the opposite. It is Turkey who needed Libya to have acces to Med Gas. Egypt already struck her deal with Jordan UAE Israel Greece Cyprus Italy and France.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

It is the opposite. It is Turkey who needed Libya to have acces to Med Gas. Egypt already struck her deal with Jordan UAE Israel Greece Cyprus Italy and France.

What stopped the EastMed project?

Erdogan tries to start a conflict in 2019-2021....but Danjuma Musa,the Nigerian salafi who adores Erdogan,accuses the Americans and the petrodollar.

You haven't answered my question about whether the petrodollar is a conspiracy theory.

 

[Ghostkiller]

What stopped the EastMed project?

Nothing stopped the EastMed project. The gas is going through the EastMed pipelines.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

Nothing stopped the EastMed project. The gas is going through the EastMed pipelines.

End of discussion