Turkish Military is better than IDF

[Hellfire2006]

The 3 gorillion hindoooz which India and Bangladesh keep bitching about along with the 93 gorillion soldiers. You aren't discrediting your own propaganda now, are you?

okay , so you were talking about the genocide of 3 million bengalis including hindus and muslims.

What pajeet math is this? It costs peanuts to maintain a presene at Siachen

a pakistani teaching me maths ? are you dumb or what ? how much does it cost for pakistan to deploy a whole brigade to saltoro ridge according to you. it costs millions for both the parties involved. you cleaerly dont even remeber the avalanche in 2012 which swept away 130 of your soldiers. since the 1980s you have lost over 1,500 soldiers in siachen. it's as much of a deathrap for you as it is for us, infact the fact that we have better logistics there makes it harder for you.

Dumbf*ck, if you violate the LoC with your military, obviously we will do a counter deployment at Siachen.

what you don't even know is that the boundary at siachen was never defined by the simla agreement so how can you say that we crossed the LOC when it didnt even exist beyond NJ9842 ?

What's so hard to understand? Pajeets are always surprised when they start chest thumping and then when Pakistan actually mobilises its military they suddenly start crying about the economy

pakistan mobilisation has never resulted any credible outcome for pakistan , infact we laugh and on odd days feel sorry for to you have such an incompetent army run by buisnessmen who call themselves generals. as I said , never won a war , never lost an election,

You pajeets are so confidently incorrect, India invaded Haji Pir before Grand Slam even commenced.

before your full scale assault on chammb which involved an armoured division we never thought of expanding the war beyond kashmir.

We unilaterally withdrew the tiny outnumbered guerilla force which your shitty airforce and army failed to evict, and you fired at them as they retreated. Not the great bharat gau mata gay hind victory you think it is.

again , foreign observers tell a different story from what you claim. most analysts agree that india had an upper hand over pakistan by the time the war came to an end, we held more territory than you did , you had expended most of your ammuniton stocks and would have eventually capitulated had the war went for more than a month. btw , the same shitty air force brought your ground assault on chammb to a standstill. the war ended in a stalemate which you started to take kashmir, which you couldn't.

Is this what they teach in Indian war colleges?

isnt it common sense that the adversary sitting on higher ground has a tremendous advantage over the one occupying lower ground ?

We lost 400 men

no , you lost way more musharraf claimed 357, pakistan army officialy acknowledged 453, nawaz said 4,000, US state department said 700, india claimed 1,200. the estimate is closer to 600-1000.

Nawaz sharif barks against the army when removed and licks their boots when in power. What's the big deal? You want to believe what he says as the 331st million God of hinduism?

he was your PM, that's the big deal, you wont randomly expect a PM to claim casualties in his own army unless he actually knows what he's talking about.

No one in India believes the aryan MIGRATION* theory (that is proven by scholarly consensus) because the whole narrative of "we wuz pure aryanz and they wuz converted mlechhaz" would be rubbished, however every pajeet in the cow belt believes they are Aryan and the first Aryan came from India and aryans migrated Out of India into Europe.

literally no hindu believes in aryan theory or that we are pure aryan, 90% wouldn't even know who aryans were. it's some random bullshit which exists in your mind. that's why your nation has less than half the per capita income of india and bangladesh because you dont know how to deal with real issues

LMAO pajeets on an odd day will say Mujahideen defeated Soviets with the power of bhagwan zee, and on an even day will claim Pakistani saajish is responsible for everything from Mumbai attacks to Pooja's unknown pregnancy and insect attacks.

its pretty much clear that Pakistan acted as a middleman to supply weapons to mujahideen from America. what's the big deal about that, the descendants of those mujahideen are kciking your *** , you're losing tens of soldiers daily in bomb blasts and attacks, far more than india does.

How many wars have you won?

you very well know the answer but you wont admit it

In fact, forget your embarassing post-1947 history where despite being given 500 states of South Asia on a platter by the British your country is an impotent sh!thole, what were your ancestors doing in the last 1200 years of mostly Muslim and remainign European rule?

the impotent shithole has a much better economy, much high HDI, far stronger growth , lifted 415 million out of poverty in just 15 years , has record FDI inflows,a strong foreign exchange reserve, much better infrastrucuture,and a much more respected international position than our western neighbour pakistan which claims to be a stronger on god knows what basis. it likes even allah hates your country to be keeping you all in such misery.

India surrendered Skardu and Pakistani forces had reached the gates of Leh a YEAR after Indian forces entered Kashmir.

no, the dogra kingdom's unit in skardu held out for a year under colonel thapa, who by the way was an officer of the JK state forces. you reached the gates of leh only to be driven back to gilgit baltistan.
this isnt an indian guy btw

As your infantry and air force proved useless against Gilgitis with lee enfield rifles and chappals it was not until you brought literal tanks into the region that you stopped falling back faster than Saddam Hussein against the US Army.

first of all , before the offensive through zojila , there was a fixation of the frontlines, there was no withdrawal , both sides had dug in , then we became innovative thanks to our better leadership and brought tanks to gain the intiatitve which drove you to the north, back from where the gilgit scouts and the other units came. using tanks at high altitude is a feat of innovation, and the army should be mighty proud of it

Bangladesh is an LDC. India is hungrier than Sudan, Nigeria, North Korea, and Congo, let alone the LDC of Bangladesh. Buring your head in cow dung and screeching will not change this fact, no matter how intoxicating the fecal fumes are to you.

Im not asking if india or bangladesh are LDCs , Im asking about what is suerpower pakistan ? is it classified as a highly developed country , if so then why does it have a lower Per capita GDP and an embarrasing HDI compared to both india and bangladesh

Bangladesh graduation status | LDC Portal - International Support Measures for Least Developed Countries

Bangladesh is scheduled to graduate on 24 November 2026 (see the General Assembly resolution here). More information on the process here. More information on suggested action to prepare for graduation here.

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Global Hunger Index Scores by 2024 GHI Rank

Note: As always, rankings and index scores from this table cannot be accurately compared to rankings and index scores from previous reports.

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Literally doing what I predicted. Gloating over manhandling soldiers from a failed paratrooper drop, while your 400,000 strong army and air force lost half of Kashmir to a few lashkars of pathans and gilgitis.

we didn't even have 400,000 men in kashmir, what are you even saying. there were 4 or 5 brigades in that area throughout the entire war. your military casualties were 4 times ours. we didn't lose kashmir lol, we control all the important regions of the valley and ladakh from where all of your rivers come. we have 80% of kashmir, you just got the wasteleand gilgit baltistan which we couldnt take due to geography and just got 20% of the kashmir valley which was mostly the outer hills to the edges of kashmir, we have the heartland and the most important water sources.

The Battle of Kamalpur when 4,000 Indian soldiers with total air supremacy could not defeat a post of 40 Pakistani soldiers.

your account is exaggerated but he was a brave fellow, I totally respect captain malik for his stand. it was no easy feat what he did although of the 21 days he fought , 17-18 was against the mukti bahini. eventually his post fell but I can understand that they had no other choice after being abandonded by their high command, brave men , led by an idiotic high command

I'm Kashmiri, and before my family was enlightened with Islam, they were Pandits, whose lullis gangetic critters such as yourself and your Prime Minister worship.

so what makes you think that you're superior to me ?

Pakistan doesn't need to take anything, India is an artificial British Bastardisation will implode itself like the Soviet Union.

pakistan is the same , its an artificial nation state where people have nothing in common other than islam, we see the concept failing in bangaldesh and more recently in KPK and balochistan

 

[PradoTLC]

that's a very confusing way of saying that you don't have any counters to my arguments.
my point still stands, have you ever produced any general of the likes of manekshaw, PS bhagat or sagat singh ?
here's what a US navy postgraduate school captain has to say about the kargil war in his thesis. hopefully the US navy can shatter your illusions
High Altitude Warfare: The Kargil Conflict and the Future. Naval Post-Graduate School Thesis by Captain Marcus P. Acosta of the US Army.

Defense Technical Information Center

apps.dtic.mil

Lol

After all that public humiliation you got .. you retuned for more?


Ok

Your english masters have already spoken post Kargill war …


“if a conflict was of short duration, these assets would not necessarily enter into the equation, according to William Hopkinson, of the London-based Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA).”


“The quality of some of the Pakistani troops is probably better on average than that of the Indians,”

Pakistan army has higher quality: UK experts

LONDON, May 22: As the crisis over Kashmir deepens, British military experts say that while India’s armed forces...

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Now go find a big plastic dick bow to it…

 

[Danjuma Musa]

As if Iran, Russia or Hezbollah give a shit about Idlib province, which has no strategic importance to any of these countries. Theirs no rush to bomb them, as we speak they routinely bomb Idlib. Meanwhile the SDF has been threatened for years, and they are right on the border. Still waiting for that elimination operation. Waiting for them to follow through with that threat as you say.

Routine bombing that makes zero difference on ground reality. You can do that as long as you don't make the move to sieze territory. But its' a temporary window. Turkiye is still building strength. If you know Erdogan well, he is patient.

As for the SDF, it's a failed U.S. project. They won't get anywhere. They are on life-support (U.S. military presence/protection). Turkiye conducted at least 3 military operations that weakened the SDF and siezed territory. The final operation WILL come if they aren't dismantled. SDF has been seriously bombed recently, after america shot down a Turkish drone a few days ago. Many of their leaders have been assassinated. Mazloum Kobane only just escaped a drone strike assassination despite being in the presence of US military officers.

The SDF will be eliminated at the right time.
Why haven't Iran invaded Iraq to clear its Kurdish threat like Turkiye did in Syria. Iraq won't do anything to stop Iran, and the U.S. won't protect those Kurds. They've launched several attacks inside Iran. You cowards are afraid that the Kurds in Iraq will bog you down.

 

[Stryker1982]

Why haven't Iran invaded Iraq to clear its Kurdish threat like Turkiye did in Syria. Iraq won't do anything to stop Iran, and the U.S. won't protect those Kurds. They've launched several attacks inside Iran. You cowards are afraid that the Kurds in Iraq will bog you down.

If you weren't so dumb. perhaps taking a shit in the street because you have no sewage system, you'd know that the Iraqi army has taken control of the border area? Did not know that already? Happened 2 months ago. Seems like you have a big mouth for someone who doesn't know anything. Maybe all that oil you ship to Israel has clogged your brain

Routine bombing that makes zero difference on ground reality. You can do that as long as you don't make the move to sieze territory. But its' a temporary window. Turkiye is still building strength. If you know Erdogan well, he is patient.

As for the SDF, it's a failed U.S. project. They won't get anywhere. They are on life-support (U.S. military presence/protection). Turkiye conducted at least 3 military operations that weakened the SDF and siezed territory. The final operation WILL come if they aren't dismantled. SDF has been seriously bombed recently, after america shot down a Turkish drone a few days ago. Many of their leaders have been assassinated. Mazloum Kobane only just escaped a drone strike assassination despite being in the presence of US military officers.

The SDF will be eliminated at the right time.

Turkey is building strength? Turkey already has strength, they don't need more strength to deal with SDF. Turkish military is already ready to defeat the SDF. The reality is that the USA told them to shut it and so they did. Sorry but "muh super soldier brave Turkey" will not destroy the SDF because it does not have the political capacity to do so. It's not a question of military. You are too ignorant of anything to have a conversation with, which makes sense given the average IQ of a Nigerian

Sure, and Erdogan will pray at Ummayad mosque right? Isn't that what he said? It's always amusing to see Erdogan fan-boys celebrate this man who literally *****d up Turkeys demographic future. Now stop wasting my time and go sit back down in your hut while Iran manages this regional war with Israel like a professional. Erdogan can shout and screen from his podium about Israel while selling oil through the Ceyhan pipeline to them.

 

[MMM-E]

The reality is that the USA told them to shut it and so they did. Sorry but "muh super soldier brave Turkey" will not destroy the SDF because it does not have the political capacity to do so

Turkiye destroyed ROJAVA which is dream of USA,İsrael,France via PKK-YPG Terror Organization

We kicked ISIS and PKK-YPG out of Turkish Border

now Turkish Army control Jarablus,Rai,Dabiq,Azez,AlBab,Afrin,Rasulayn and Telayad
also Turkish Army blocked Idlib

4 Turkish military operations blocked USA-France-PKK/YPG , also ISIS and SAA-Iran-Russia

step by step ..
when true time comes , then we will do it for Tel Rıfat , Manbij and Ayn-Al Arab too


Not only USA ,
but also Russia-Iran dont want to see Turkish military operations in Syria

therefore Turkiye is building strength until 2028 to counter USA and Russia-İran
250+ km SIPER Block2 Air Defense System
KAAN Fighter Jet
KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
2.000+ km CENK Ballistic Missile

This conflict will last for decades in Syria ,,
USA-France backed PKK-YPG failed and always will fall .... Turkiye never will allow them to create ROJAVA

 

[Danjuma Musa]

therefore Turkiye is building strength until 2028 to counter USA and Russia-İran
250+ km SIPER Block2 Air Defense System
KAAN Fighter Jet
KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
2.000+ km CENK Ballistic Missile

In addition to these, Erdogan wants a nuclear armed Turkey to confront the US and Russia not only in Syria but throughout the Muslim world. If Imran Khan or a like-minded person emerges victorious in Pakistan, Erdogan doesn't need to risk UN sanctions by building nukes for Turkiye. All he needs form a military alliance with Pakistan and request Pakistan. Together with Qatar and Azerbaijan, Turkiye can help Pakistan to expand its nuclear arsenal and build more sophisticated nuclear missiles such as ICBMs so that Islamabad has the capacity to destroy ANY country on Earth that nukes Pakistan or its allies. This is what I mean when I say Turkiye still needs to build military strength. Thus, Turkiye gets a nuclear deterrent without actually building nukes. It can then risk a direct clash with American or Russian forces in Syria to eliminate the SDF/PKK/YPG etc.

If you weren't so dumb. perhaps taking a shit in the street because you have no sewage system, you'd know that the Iraqi army has taken control of the border area? Did not know that already? Happened 2 months ago. Seems like you have a big mouth for someone who doesn't know anything. Maybe all that oil you ship to Israel has clogged your brain

Turkey is building strength? Turkey already has strength, they don't need more strength to deal with SDF. Turkish military is already ready to defeat the SDF. The reality is that the USA told them to shut it and so they did. Sorry but "muh super soldier brave Turkey" will not destroy the SDF because it does not have the political capacity to do so. It's not a question of military. You are too ignorant of anything to have a conversation with, which makes sense given the average IQ of a Nigerian

Sure, and Erdogan will pray at Ummayad mosque right? Isn't that what he said? It's always amusing to see Erdogan fan-boys celebrate this man who literally *****d up Turkeys demographic future. Now stop wasting my time and go sit back down in your hut while Iran manages this regional war with Israel like a professional. Erdogan can shout and screen from his podium about Israel while selling oil through the Ceyhan pipeline to them.

You idiot. By building military strength I meant a nuclear deterrent not conventional weapons.
Iran is toooooo timid to risk any direct military action outside its borders, fearing the US will trap it in a quacgmire. They've threatened to invade parts of Iraq several times to eliminate the Kurdish threat there. They even deployed forces along the border some time ago. But for the cowards they are, they backed down. When you fuckers intervened in Syria, it was covert and you cowards would have lost if not for Russia's intervention. Turkiye on the other hand DIRECTLY invaded Syria 4 times against the wishes of Russia, Iran, and America. Turkiye also intervened DIRECTLY in Libya, Somalia, and Iraq, ALL against America's wishes. This should tell you plenty about the Turks. ALL THESE GUYS NEED NOW IS ICBM NUKES OR A GENUINE NUCLEAR DETERENT AND THEY'LL TURN THE MIDDLE EAST UPSIDE-DOWN FOR AMERICA.

 

[retaxis]

In addition to these, Erdogan wants a nuclear armed Turkey to confront the US and Russia not only in Syria but throughout the Muslim world. If Imran Khan or a like-minded person emerges victorious in Pakistan, Erdogan doesn't need to risk UN sanctions by building nukes for Turkiye. All he needs form a military alliance with Pakistan and request Pakistan. Together with Qatar and Azerbaijan, Turkiye can help Pakistan to expand its nuclear arsenal and build more sophisticated nuclear missiles such as ICBMs so that Islamabad has the capacity to destroy ANY country on Earth that nukes Pakistan or its allies. This is what I mean when I say Turkiye still needs to build military strength. Thus, Turkiye gets a nuclear deterrent without actually building nukes. It can then risk a direct clash with American or Russian forces in Syria to eliminate the SDF/PKK/YPG etc.


You idiot. By building military strength I meant a nuclear deterrent not conventional weapons.
Iran is toooooo timid to risk any direct military action outside its borders, fearing the US will trap it in a quacgmire. They've threatened to invade parts of Iraq several times to eliminate the Kurdish threat there. They even deployed forces along the border some time ago. But for the cowards they are, they backed down. When you fuckers intervened in Syria, it was covert and you cowards would have lost if not for Russia's intervention. Turkiye on the other hand DIRECTLY invaded Syria 4 times against the wishes of Russia, Iran, and America. Turkiye also intervened DIRECTLY in Libya, Somalia, and Iraq, ALL against America's wishes. This should tell you plenty about the Turks. ALL THESE GUYS NEED NOW IS ICBM NUKES OR A GENUINE NUCLEAR DETERENT AND THEY'LL TURN THE MIDDLE EAST UPSIDE-DOWN FOR AMERICA.

So where is the Turks oil fields and rich resources it captured after all these successful invasions in Libya and Syria? Where is Turkeys economy other than in hyperinflation? Where is Turkey admitted into the EU? Turkey talks a lot (erdogan) but you need to look at the facts of the matter rather than propaganda. Objective truths weigh infinitely more than subjective assessments.

Yes Turkey can get ICBM nukes in a matter of years but then the egyptians, saudis, iranians will all have them too so the game ends up against Turkeys favour since they have a relatively strong conventional army now. If i am much bigger and stronger than you, why would i want to settle for a gun fight instead where the risks are a lot more equal? Turkey getting nukes is similar to settling for a gun duel when Turkey has the biggest military in the region atm

 

[Danjuma Musa]

So where is the Turks oil fields and rich resources it captured after all these successful invasions in Libya and Syria? Where is Turkeys economy other than in hyperinflation? Where is Turkey admitted into the EU? Turkey talks a lot (erdogan) but you need to look at the facts of the matter rather than propaganda. Objective truths weigh infinitely more than subjective assessments.

Yes Turkey can get ICBM nukes in a matter of years but then the egyptians, saudis, iranians will all have them too so the game ends up against Turkeys favour since they have a relatively strong conventional army now. If i am much bigger and stronger than you, why would i want to settle for a gun fight instead where the risks are a lot more equal? Turkey getting nukes is similar to settling for a gun duel when Turkey has the biggest military in the region atm

I like objective argument. We can learn from each other. you've made some valid points which I know and admit: Turkiye acquiring nukes will set off a nuclear arms race in the region. Turkiye's intervention in Libya and Syria didn't help it secure significant oil resources. It also sent Turkiye farther from EU membership.

The nuclear issue is your most valid and consequential point. However, Erdogan has NO intention to invade the Arab monarchies. Except for Syria, all Turkish interventions (some indirect) were backed by the UN-recognized governments of those countries (Libya, Somalia, Kosovo, Azerbaijan, Ethiopia). So, if Turkiye's national security is threatened by a nuclear armed state, the Turks will eventually build nukes regardless of whether their regional adversaries would follow suit.

Finally, the interventions in Libya and Syria weren't about oil. They were about foiling America's plan to impose a puppet dictator in Libya and a national security threat for Turkiye in Syria. Both interventions achieved these goals.

 

[retaxis]

I like objective argument. We can learn from each other. you've made some valid points which I know and admit: Turkiye acquiring nukes will set off a nuclear arms race in the region. Turkiye's intervention in Libya and Syria didn't help it secure significant oil resources. It also sent Turkiye farther from EU membership.

The nuclear issue is your most valid and consequential point. However, Erdogan has NO intention to invade the Arab monarchies. Except for Syria, all Turkish interventions (some indirect) were backed by the UN-recognized governments of those countries (Libya, Somalia, Kosovo, Azerbaijan, Ethiopia). So, if Turkiye's national security is threatened by a nuclear armed state, the Turks will eventually build nukes regardless of whether their regional adversaries would follow suit.

Finally, the interventions in Libya and Syria weren't about oil. They were about foiling America's plan to impose a puppet dictator in Libya and a national security threat for Turkiye in Syria. Both interventions achieved these goals.

If we lower the bar for 'victory' to anything just to call it a victory than it is not a victory. Turkey wanted to turn Libya into another azerbaijan of which it can have very friendly relations with the whole country and also have multi billion dollar oil contracts and cheap oil as well as allowing Turkey to take more of its sea territory. Obviously the side that controls most of the country of Libya and all of the oil are hostile to Turkey and Turkey did not benefit whatsoever. Same with Libya and Assad being in power, except now the kurds have open western backers making things even more confusing for the Turks.

Victory needs to be definitive and benefits awarded otherwise anyone can claim victory based on their interpretation of it and changing the goals/outcome. Korean war was a victory for both the US and China as China pushed the US + allies out of NK and created a buffer state and US stopped the entire peninsula from going communist. If US goal was to conquer NK then the whole operation would be a loss ? however the outcome remains the same therefore twisting of words doesn't change the outcome

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Indian army is irrelevant when it comes to Israel. India should worry about itself as it cannot project power to Middle East. Except sending laborers there.

Not to mention that Pakistan is a literal barrier for India in regard to Indian expansion westwards, towards the Muslim world. And China and the Himalayas are a barrier for northward expansion. India does not have the power to spread itself eastwards towards Myanmar, but it does have some expansion towards Bangladesh and Nepal.

 

[Danjuma Musa]

If we lower the bar for 'victory' to anything just to call it a victory than it is not a victory. Turkey wanted to turn Libya into another azerbaijan of which it can have very friendly relations with the whole country and also have multi billion dollar oil contracts and cheap oil as well as allowing Turkey to take more of its sea territory. Obviously the side that controls most of the country of Libya and all of the oil are hostile to Turkey and Turkey did not benefit whatsoever. Same with Libya and Assad being in power, except now the kurds have open western backers making things even more confusing for the Turks.

Victory needs to be definitive and benefits awarded otherwise anyone can claim victory based on their interpretation of it and changing the goals/outcome. Korean war was a victory for both the US and China as China pushed the US + allies out of NK and created a buffer state and US stopped the entire peninsula from going communist. If US goal was to conquer NK then the whole operation would be a loss ? however the outcome remains the same therefore twisting of words doesn't change the outcome

Your argument falls through when you consider that Azerbaijan and Qatar has all the oil Turkiye needs.

Secondly, review recent Israeli and U.S. attacks on Iran vs. Iranian responses. Then compare to what Turkiye, Russia, Japan, or Pakistan would have done in the same situation. You'll see that Iran's war doctrine is driven by fear not logic.

Turkiye made sure a puppet dictator wasn't imposed on Libyans.

 

[buntalanlucu]

Turkish military are better due to their experience against kurds insurgents who got good arms supply from the west.

IDF is weak because their last combat operation was in 1980s lebanon war , they decayed and athropied because all they did was manning checkpoint and bullying unarmed civilians. It showed in 2006 when only 300 hezbollah commandos + auxiliaries stopped idf in the outskirt and incur horrible losses so much so that the elite golani brigade refused to enter the meat grinder and prefer to be courtmartialed and jailed

 

[retaxis]

Your argument falls through when you consider that Azerbaijan and Qatar has all the oil Turkiye needs.

Secondly, review recent Israeli and U.S. attacks on Iran vs. Iranian responses. Then compare to what Turkiye, Russia, Japan, or Pakistan would have done in the same situation. You'll see that Iran's war doctrine is driven by fear not logic.

Turkiye made sure a puppet dictator wasn't imposed on Libyans.

The goal wasn't to have oil supplied it was to sell the oil and make a profit and own the land that the oil sits on. Turkey wanted to invest in oil infrastucture and have big partnerships but their side does not control oil fields.

 

[Yawm al-qiyāma]

Yes, that's the entire point. That Turkey benefited heavily from NATO know how. These equipment above are heavily inspired with what Turkey learned from NATO.

Tell me what know how did Turkey get from NATO??

In 74’ they put embargo on Turkiye thats when Turkish defence industry came into existence.

Yes, that's the entire point. That Turkey benefited heavily from NATO know how. These equipment above are heavily inspired with what Turkey learned from NATO.

By your logic all NATO countries should have an advanced defence industry like Turkiye but this is far from the truth.

Yes, that's the entire point. That Turkey benefited heavily from NATO know how. These equipment above are heavily inspired with what Turkey learned from NATO.

By your logic all NATO countries should have an advanced defence industry like Turkiye but this is far from the truth.

 

[MMM-E]

By your logic all NATO countries should have an advanced defence industry like Turkiye but this is far from the truth.

There are 31 Countries in NATO
But only USA , The UK , France and Turkiye have advanced Aviation Industry in NATO


Even now Turkiye has better Defense Industry than Germany and Italy ....
(including ongoing projects )


There are 850+ Turkish military projects ..... Germany and Italy not even close