Turkish Military Command resigns ! BN

[Zulkarneyn]

I show that there is nothing special in growth. Just typical East Eruope economy.

For instance. In 2002 Turkey had 1.43 times more GDP per capita than Russia. Today Russia has slightly more GDP per capita than Turkey. And trade deficit of Turkey under AKP is beating records.

If you knew about economy u would know that trade defcicit is calculated according to percentage and not just pure numbers.

 

[Saithan]

Besides, the import just shows how much the turkish consumer market spends on imported gods, which isn't surprising given that turkey is has a relatively young population and they're hungering for tech and other things. It's sad to know that we have to import that much, so until Turkey reaches the same tech level as the "west" I am afraid the trade deficit won't be changing much.

 

[500]

If you knew about economy u would know that trade defcicit is calculated according to percentage and not just pure numbers.

Both are important. In 2002 trade deficit was 4.3% in 2008 - 9.6%.

 

[avrasya]

This topic is about military. Not economics. I remember 10 years ago. I can confirm that our ecomomy way more better than before. Health care, education systems are better. Turkish people see that (except kemalists). AKP increasing its voter base every election. They got nearly 50% of votes. (They start with 34 %) People vote to akp becaouse they are happy with current Turkish economy.

Turkey quickly recovered from global crysis. And trade gap between imports and exports are our biggest problem because we dont have any petroleum or natural gas fields. About %60 of trade gap created by energy imports. Also because of booming economy people now can spend their money. Experts are saying that domestic demand is huge which is a good thing but also creates trade gap.
Government and central bank of the republic of Turkey working on this problem. Insallah we will solve this issue as we solved inflation and high borrowing costs before.

I dont have to prove anything for israeli trolls. I know that when something good happens in turkey Israeli trolls in this forum come up with bad or weak things. It is normal. All countries have weak parts. Turkey has also. We know that. But when we compare things with 10 years before, devolopments are amazing and i am verry happy with this progress.

I writing these to inform our dear pakistani friends. Do not worry about Turkey. We are doing just fine here.

And last,
I am happy with leatest change in top of Turkish military. Military should obey elected governments like any other modern democracy.

 

[500]

This topic is about military. Not economics. I remember 10 years ago. I can confirm that our ecomomy way more better than before. Health care, education systems are better.

As I said, virtually all East Europe countries grew in samilar way.

If you want larger economies then in 2002 Russia and Brazil were well behind Turkey in GDP per capita, today they are slightly ahead of Turkey.

Turkish people see that (except kemalists). AKP increasing its voter base every election. They got nearly 50% of votes. (They start with 34 %) People vote to akp becaouse they are happy with current Turkish economy.

He who controls media controls minds. If u are being told 24/7 that erdogan is greatest economical genius then people will believe that.

Turkey quickly recovered from global crysis.

Well China and India kept growing even during the crusis itself.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT TURKEY

Turkish Economy would be much better than Chech, Hungry, Poland, Croatia had it been admitted in the EU. These countries have ONLY benefitted due to membership of EU and the economic opportunities it entails.

Turkey has been trying to become part of the EU since late 1950s but it has been rejected due to unfounded pretext put forward by EU. First Turkey was charged with low infrastructure and unskilled labor. Turkey took gigantic and triumphant steps towards rectification of the same. Then it was the Cyprus Issue; where EU bias was so evident that it really disappointed (and pissed off Turkey) In the mid 2000 when Turkey demonstrated tremendous improvements of the EU outlined Turkish lackings, EU had no other reason but to finally come out clean and state that a vast CULTURAL AND IDEOLOGICAL SCHISM remains between Turkey and Europe (in other words instructing Turkey to leave their Islamic ways and adopt western cultures( rather a culture of NO CULTURE). This is just a stark testament of prejudice against Turkey’s adherence of its Islamic culture, yet being modern and progressive at the same time.

Even though the EU can benefit much by admitting the Turks in the EU as it would get an efficient trade route to the Middle East, however it is reluctant because of religious and diaspora bias.

The Turkish Army top brass is largely secular and US Blue eyed boys so it does make sense that a coup was indeed in progress to dethrone the Erdagan govt. And there is enough proof of that. Despite this crackdown on the army, the Armed Forces has also developed into a very capable and modern fighting force.

One of the reasons because of the rifts between the generals and the government is also because of the difference of diplomatic opinions between the two, the former not liking the latter’s extreme anti Israel stance especially post Freedom Flotilla.
One thing that EU had demanded and the Turks fulfilled to a large extent was the reduction of Duties and Tarrifs (as is the rule per EU paragon). This affects Turkey largely but EU is gaining much due to this as this has seen a rise in imports in Turkey from EU. Unless EU admits Turkey in the EU, Turkey
has no real reason to revert to its old tariff structure.

I feel that Turkey’s ‘Look East Policy’ is a very dangerous one for EU. And if implemented successfully, Turkey has all the potential and prospects of emerging as a great power. I wouldn’t be surprised if Turkey would soon enjoin the BRIC states. Turkey’s contribution towards the ECO is also laudable, the last and most recent of such activity is the signing of the Iran-Pakistan(and possibly China), a regional energy deal which has great potential to convert the region into the biggest energy corridor of the world! Turkey sees this and has bridged gaps between Iran and Pakistan towards singing of the deal. The pipeline has strong indications to start off by end 2011 or early 2012. This is a true trait of a country that has leadership qualities!

If Turkey-Russo problems can be solved the EU is in for a big geo political tribulation; something Turkey and Russia are strongly working towards.The two country have demonstrated that they want to deny NATO more power in the region, albeit tacitly. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

 

[Al-zakir]

Alhamdulillah!! Good riddance. Departure of these ultra secularists opened up excellent opportunity for AKP to install like minded generals in their place. So far AKP has done good for Turkish economy and Islam. AKP could have done a lot more if they did not have to worry about these anti-Islamic corrupted secularist bigot. I appreciate their leave because it will be some what easy for AKP to restore conservative Islam in Turkey.

 

[Emrah]

500 is right. Let those nerds believe what they want mann they worship Erdogan..those nerds

 

[Meengla]

As I said, virtually all East Europe countries grew in samilar way.
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Since we are off-topic anyway, here is my take on it:
The region around Pakistan-including China, India, and Bangladesh, are also having good growth. But Pakistan does not. Part of that is because of the WOT in Pakistan and part is the ineptitude of the Pakistani planners.
So you keep repeating about Eastern Europe does not apply necessarily. Something must have been done right by the Turkish planners.

Back to the topic: Good for Turkey that civilians take ascendancy. In Pakistan too it is happening, though much slowly.

 

[muse]

Something must have been done right by the Turkish planners.

See "Davatoglu" and his concept of strategic depth for Turkiye

 

[muse]

Turkish Military Leadership Resigns and What It Means



Media reported in Turkey late on July 29 that the Chief of the Turkish General Staff (TGS), General Işık Koşaner, and the military service chiefs under him at Land Forces, the Air Force and the Navy have all submitted their resignations. This comes just ahead of meetings of Turkey’s Supreme Military Council (YA&#350 that convenes in August each year to decide on senior military assignments and promotions. The resignations further the triumph of Prime Minister Erdogan’s authority over the military, but also pose a new and complicated set of challenges for his Justice and Development (AKP) led government going forward.

After the changes introduced in the first part of the last decade to civilianize the National Security Council, the annual convocations of the YAŞ became one of the leading barometers by which to judge not just the military pecking order, but also the state of civil-military relations in Turkey. In 2008, 2009 and especially 2010, a sense of confrontation became palpable. On one side was the issue of civilian control of the military – a principle that is both enshrined in Turkey’s constitution and the very mechanism of the YAŞ itself, which is headed by the prime minister. One the other side were the military’s prerogatives over its own internal affairs. The more senior the military appointment, the more obvious it has long been that elected leaders would ultimately call the shots – as Prime Minister Özal demonstrated when he rejected the military’s proposed candidate for the top job in the 1980s. But where the line should be drawn and the nature of the line itself have become big contentions over the past several years.

When selecting new Chiefs of the General Staff (CHODs) in 2006, 2008 and 2010, Prime Minister Erdogan deferred almost entirely to the military and its traditions of seniority. This happened despite widely rumored government misgivings about the individuals nominated for the post and despite the substantively dubious practice of three successive two-year CHOD appointments imposed by mandatory retirement age requirements. However, reports of meddling at the YAŞ by elected officials on lower level appointments have circulated increasingly widely in recent years. Until about 2008, a common issue was the passing over for promotion of individuals accused of insufficient attachment to the military’s secular strongly secular outlook and character – to which AKP leaders sometimes took exception.

YAŞ politics became more complicated after the detention of over one hundred retired and currently serving senior military officers accused of involvement in the so-called Ergenekon and Sledgehammer plots to overthrow the government. In August 2010, promotions by the YAŞ – including of a new CHOD to replace retiring General İlker Başbuğ – were delayed for days by military-civilian confrontation. An officer proposed for a senior position was essentially blackballed by the government because of his alleged association with plotting to bring them down. With civilian and military members of the YAŞ in disagreement, the whole process, normally a carefully scripted three weeks of cascading appointments and promotions, seized up. The crisis was defused when the senior officer challenged by the government resigned from the military, paving the way for approval of another officer and compromise all around.

This proximate cause of this year’s crisis is reportedly again how to treat those accused of involvement or association of some kind with alleged coup planning. The ruling AKP, flush with an unprecedented third-term electoral victory and fifty percent of the vote in the June 12 parliamentary election, apparently decided to draw a line in the sand and reject all those in any way tainted. At least two other developments may also be relevant.

A prosecutor in Turkey’s far east moved recently to consider bringing a case again former CHOD General Yaşar Büyükanıt over a 2005 incident in which military/security forces allegedly carried out attacks on civilians that were designed to look like the work of Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorists. Büyükanıt subsequently defended one of those accused of involvement. The possibility of a former CHOD now being hauled into the dock may have been too much for General Koşaner and his cohort.

The recent appointment of a new defense minister and talk of codifying more clearly civilian and especially defense ministerial control over the military may also have stuck in the TGS craw. In Turkey, the defense ministry is in practice essentially a procurement agency with little real responsibility for military and defense matters that have remained the military’s sole purview under the direct command of the prime minister and president. A Western-style defense minister with line authority over the military would be a big change and not one that obviously expands the military’s prestige.

The fact that the military gave up and decided not to struggle over specifics with the government within the YAŞ, where it has a clear legal role and established prerogatives represents another victory by Erdogan over the military. For the time being, it confirms the prime minister’s authority to not just approve military personnel decisions, but more clearly to evaluate and challenge them if he chooses and to do so not just at the top, but well down the military command chain. Over time, this may ease the ongoing process of civilianizing Turkey’s government and instituting a stronger civilian chain of command atop the military. In the short term, the process will remain highly contentious, of course.

But Turkish government also now faces a crisis of an entirely different nature: all of a sudden, it has no military high command but for the head of the Jandarma, the police force that operates in rural areas. This is not a trivial matter. The Jandarma has the domestic lead on PKK terrorist violence at home, but Turkey is not uninterested in the PKK-related turmoil on the Iranian border with northern Iraq just south of Turkey. The Army remains deployed in the south to assist refugees from Syria and to deter unauthorized border crossings, including possibly hot pursuit by the Syrian military. The Navy is deployed with NATO in the Mediterranean to monitor the blockade of Libya. So Prime Minister Erdogan has to resolve this crisis with the military in a way that preserves his hard-won gains vis-à-vis the military while also ensuring that he gets capable officers to take the top commands and does so quickly lest any sense of ongoing crisis linger in ways that could affect his maneuvering room on the issues he wants to contest in the coming months, especially the matter of a new constitution. This may prove hard, and the crisis at the top of the Turkish national security structure may well persist for some time. Turkey will survive, and the military will remain in its barracks, but Ankara will be a hot, tense and contentious place in August – at a time when most Turks hoped to be focused on vacations abroad or Ramadan at home.

Ross Wilson is Director of the Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council and former Ambassador to Turkey and Azerbaijan

 

[avrasya]

500 is right. Let those nerds believe what they want mann they worship Erdogan..those nerds

here is an example of typical kemalist my dear friends.

 

[Saithan]

interesting piece to read Muse. Though I think it's necessary to point out that there are still generals at the head of the armies, but no top brass as it was mentioned.

 

[silko]

500 is right. Let those nerds believe what they want mann they worship Erdogan..those nerds

go ahead and lick your so called chp and mhp then, i'll give you a little movie about the time when mhp and chp had a coalition back in the 90's and how it ended.

bunch of sex hungry men, i dont understand what you see in those facists. and especially mhp, turkeys nazis!

 

[silko]

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