Turkish Land Vehicle Programs

[Bismarck]

Korkut IFV turret using air burstable ATOM 35 munition

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Never seen this vehicle before. It's FNSS new IFV?

Unfortunately i dont think it will get the 130mm. I think its getting the 120mm.

Sure bro. MKEK has no 130 mm gun factory, up to now .
We lack suited machinery.
That's unfortunate most German machines for drilling and molding;

needs special material for craftmanship.

Sample follows

If you can produce this, you can produce gears, missiles and engines.

@Bismarck

120mm are enough for current tanks. But we know, without relevant details, that Rheinmetall and MKE are working together.

 

[Hexciter]

Never seen this vehicle before. It's FNSS new IFV?

Looks like a new turret on German Puma chassis!

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Bismarck]

It seems so.

Nurol Ejder?

 

[HannibalBarca]

It seems so.



Nurol Ejder?

EJDER YALÇIN

NUROL firmasının EJDER YALÇIN

used in euphrate shield op.. i think

 

[Bismarck]

EJDER YALÇIN

NUROL firmasının EJDER YALÇIN

used in euphrate shield op.. i think

Edit

 

[JustHappened]

it can produce 130mm smooth bore cannon.

You tend to misunderstand.
I wanted to point that we lack machine building machine industry in Turkey.

Every single product is a huge machinery investment. If you want to design, produce a 130 mm tank gun you have to invest again in new equipment. I read here many times that people criticized MKEK .
If you know machines build for steel industry domestical in Turkey please open a new thread.
This would be a very interesting topic.

E.g. how will a modern tank with 120 mm gun without autoloader handle this mighty ammunition.
This means a complete new tank design and technology. Or not ?

"MKE Heavy Weapon & Steel Factory was established in between 1932-1937. It is the first and the only factory which produces Heavy weapons and quality forged steel material. It produces 105 mm Tank gun, 155 mm Howitzers, 60 mm, 81 mm, 120 mm Mortars. Ammunition materials, various types of forged steel materials, Barrel materials, Breech, Breech ring materials tube forged piston and craddle materials can be produced through 3000 T. Hydroulic pres. MKE Heavy Weapon & Steel Factory has AQAP-2120 and ISO 9001 Quality Assurance system certificate. It also has the establishment Safety and Security Clearance certificate . MKE Heavy Weapon & Steel Factory has 123.982 m² covered and 682.730 m² open area."

 

[Random111]

Is this from Pak or from Turkey? Because Nurol spokesman claimed to have received multiple orders from abroad with additional interest for more.

 

[JustHappened]

Analysis on M-60 T1 upgrade package :

Since the begin the armored spearhead of the Turkish and its allies during OES was the M-60T Sabra, the tank was quite good and was able to even resist on the front the impact of a 9M133 Kornet, one of the most advanced Russian ATGMs, this is not a small matter as far as the M-60T in the end was based on a tank from the 60s, but despite of that the numerous impacts on the sides of the M-60Ts showed that they still were very vulnerable to the ISIS ATGMs.

The amount of losses of men and material was increasing at a relatively high rate and it finally lead to the appearance of the Leopard 2A4TRs to replace at a certain degree the losses suffered by units equipped with the M-60s.
The first interesting thing is the Remote Weapon Station (RWS) that replaces at the left-back of the turret the M85 HMG weapon station, that was not remotely operated, the new RWS uses a typical 12,7 x 99 mm M2 Browning HMG, the new RWS is a N-2000 from the Turkish company Nurol Makina who has put it on the Ejder Yalçin 4×4 armored vehicle, also it is possible that this product has been developed with some know-how from ASELSAN, a Turkish company with a lot of experience in the field of RWS design.

So the situation was relatively bad and Turkey came up with a new upgrade that has probably been conceived in less than a few months, unless it was a previous secret program, so this is why the M-60T1 probably bornt, to meet the demanding requirements of the new Syrian operational environment.

On 7th February some images of a tank called “M-60T1” merged and that was quite strange as far as we didn’t hear nothing about that upgrade before.
The company provides some information about the N-2000 that is stated to use a DNP-28 ASELSAN night and day vision system and also it can be rotated manually from inside between -20° and +60° in elevation and 360° in azimuth (multi-turn).

In opposition to most tanks in the world the M-60 was one of the few with a commander’s machine gun fired from a protected station without the need to expose himself to the bullets or the shrapnel when firing the machine gun so the motivation of this improve can not be the protection, we think that the reason is due to the optics and at a less extent because of the standarization.

The N-2000 possess good optics, specially for night operations much better than those of the original M-60T M85 machine gun, and also it is the standarization which is a minor point. The M85 is a machine gun only operated in the M-60 series and, in spite of be similar to the M2 Browning it is still different and could have some disadvantages against the M2 that is used in a lot of vehicles and by the Turskish infantry and so it has a less complex logistic.

The other main improvement of the M-60T1 is the “artifact” located at the side of the turret, but before treat it we would like to say that the opinion emitted about the artifact must not be taken as a fact because we are far from sure to be able to say what it is exactly.

The artifact looks comprised of two different elements that we have not been able to ID, the one on the top looks like a Laser Warning Receiver, a device that would be useful just against the 9M133 Kornet, the only laser guided missile on hands of ISIS, the device below could be a camera or a dazzler, the camera could be useful for driving and at close range during urban fighting, but for us it looks fixed so at a certain degree it wouldn’t have sense to install such a big camera fixed in the end we find this second theory less likely.

The lower part of the artifact could be a TLUS LWRS from ASELSAN but unleast some better images appear we can’t be sure.

Also the theory of a non hard-kill APS similar to the Shtora-1 has some weak points as @trubia_t notest because just 8 smoke-launchers on the tank are not enough to fully exploit a system like this.

So in our opinion the most likely and desirable device would be a dazzler similar in concept to the “red eyes” of the T-90’s Shtora, essentially it consists in a special light able to confuse the automatic part of the guidance system from a Semi Automatic Line of Sight (SACLOS) ATGM, a system present in most ATGMs in Syria, with the exception of the 9M14 Malyutka that is MCLOS, that would explain the fixed position looking at the sides of the device, as far as the M-60T front has shown to be very well protected against all the threats in Syria and so the tank does not need protection on the front but rather on the sides were nearly all of the impacts had happened.

It is interesting to note the arid camo paint on the M-60T1 what proves the especialization of this upgrade for the Syrian scenario, at the moment just the Leopard 2A4 TR and a few M-60Ts deployed in Syria had get something like it while most M-60Ts even keep the typical Turkish green camouflage.

We are not sure if this is a prototype or an incoming massive upgrade for M-60Ts but it is interesting to note that Turkey has recently launched a competition to upgrade 40 M-60A3s, 40 Leopard 2A4s and 120 M-60Ts, while of course this has no direct relation with the M-60T1s it makes us think that maybe the M-60T1 is a temporary patch until those upgraded tanks are ready.



https://misterxanlisis.wordpress.co...e-new-turkish-m-60t1-sabra-deployed-in-syria/

 

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Analysis on M-60 T1 upgrade package :

Since the begin the armored spearhead of the Turkish and its allies during OES was the M-60T Sabra, the tank was quite good and was able to even resist on the front the impact of a 9M133 Kornet, one of the most advanced Russian ATGMs, this is not a small matter as far as the M-60T in the end was based on a tank from the 60s, but despite of that the numerous impacts on the sides of the M-60Ts showed that they still were very vulnerable to the ISIS ATGMs.

The amount of losses of men and material was increasing at a relatively high rate and it finally lead to the appearance of the Leopard 2A4TRs to replace at a certain degree the losses suffered by units equipped with the M-60s.
The first interesting thing is the Remote Weapon Station (RWS) that replaces at the left-back of the turret the M85 HMG weapon station, that was not remotely operated, the new RWS uses a typical 12,7 x 99 mm M2 Browning HMG, the new RWS is a N-2000 from the Turkish company Nurol Makina who has put it on the Ejder Yalçin 4×4 armored vehicle, also it is possible that this product has been developed with some know-how from ASELSAN, a Turkish company with a lot of experience in the field of RWS design.

So the situation was relatively bad and Turkey came up with a new upgrade that has probably been conceived in less than a few months, unless it was a previous secret program, so this is why the M-60T1 probably bornt, to meet the demanding requirements of the new Syrian operational environment.

On 7th February some images of a tank called “M-60T1” merged and that was quite strange as far as we didn’t hear nothing about that upgrade before.
The company provides some information about the N-2000 that is stated to use a DNP-28 ASELSAN night and day vision system and also it can be rotated manually from inside between -20° and +60° in elevation and 360° in azimuth (multi-turn).

In opposition to most tanks in the world the M-60 was one of the few with a commander’s machine gun fired from a protected station without the need to expose himself to the bullets or the shrapnel when firing the machine gun so the motivation of this improve can not be the protection, we think that the reason is due to the optics and at a less extent because of the standarization.

The N-2000 possess good optics, specially for night operations much better than those of the original M-60T M85 machine gun, and also it is the standarization which is a minor point. The M85 is a machine gun only operated in the M-60 series and, in spite of be similar to the M2 Browning it is still different and could have some disadvantages against the M2 that is used in a lot of vehicles and by the Turskish infantry and so it has a less complex logistic.

The other main improvement of the M-60T1 is the “artifact” located at the side of the turret, but before treat it we would like to say that the opinion emitted about the artifact must not be taken as a fact because we are far from sure to be able to say what it is exactly.

The artifact looks comprised of two different elements that we have not been able to ID, the one on the top looks like a Laser Warning Receiver, a device that would be useful just against the 9M133 Kornet, the only laser guided missile on hands of ISIS, the device below could be a camera or a dazzler, the camera could be useful for driving and at close range during urban fighting, but for us it looks fixed so at a certain degree it wouldn’t have sense to install such a big camera fixed in the end we find this second theory less likely.

The lower part of the artifact could be a TLUS LWRS from ASELSAN but unleast some better images appear we can’t be sure.

Also the theory of a non hard-kill APS similar to the Shtora-1 has some weak points as @trubia_t notest because just 8 smoke-launchers on the tank are not enough to fully exploit a system like this.

So in our opinion the most likely and desirable device would be a dazzler similar in concept to the “red eyes” of the T-90’s Shtora, essentially it consists in a special light able to confuse the automatic part of the guidance system from a Semi Automatic Line of Sight (SACLOS) ATGM, a system present in most ATGMs in Syria, with the exception of the 9M14 Malyutka that is MCLOS, that would explain the fixed position looking at the sides of the device, as far as the M-60T front has shown to be very well protected against all the threats in Syria and so the tank does not need protection on the front but rather on the sides were nearly all of the impacts had happened.

It is interesting to note the arid camo paint on the M-60T1 what proves the especialization of this upgrade for the Syrian scenario, at the moment just the Leopard 2A4 TR and a few M-60Ts deployed in Syria had get something like it while most M-60Ts even keep the typical Turkish green camouflage.

We are not sure if this is a prototype or an incoming massive upgrade for M-60Ts but it is interesting to note that Turkey has recently launched a competition to upgrade 40 M-60A3s, 40 Leopard 2A4s and 120 M-60Ts, while of course this has no direct relation with the M-60T1s it makes us think that maybe the M-60T1 is a temporary patch until those upgraded tanks are ready.



https://misterxanlisis.wordpress.co...e-new-turkish-m-60t1-sabra-deployed-in-syria/

Stopped reading when he thinks SARP is N-2000...

 

[Nutuk]

E.g. how will a modern tank with 120 mm gun without autoloader handle this mighty ammunition.
This means a complete new tank design and technology. Or not ?

No it is not possible to integrate 130mm cannon into the Altay tank if that is what you ask.

130mm rounds would ammount to a weight of 30-35kg and it would not be possible anymore to load them manually, and autoloader would be needed and Altay doesn't have it.

We'd need an Altay 2 for that purpose with a new turret design incorporating autoloader.

It's for the same reason why Germans want to design a Leopard 3 (instead of addapting 130mm cannon on the Leopard 2A7)

 

[JustHappened]

Stopped reading when he thinks SARP is N-2000...

I wrote that it's SARP in my posts before.
If you read the link at the end of the "quoted" post,
you can clearly see that some people wondered about M 60- T1 upgrade "patch".
It's not my job, to edit them.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[cabatli_53]

FNSS Kaplan-10

Kaplan-20

 

[JustHappened]

We must speed up production as some countries did during WW2. Believe it our VATAN is under severe threat.

1. Enosis is now again on the table

2. Russia wants PKK/YPG in Geneva talks

3. There is economic and political war against Turkey.

All Turkey did in humanitarian solidarity was answered with traitor attacks !

Lets roll our arms industry 100%.

@Bismarck