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Maybe you are right and I don't know what's going on, but few things I undertstood .

After that weeks US collect his partners to gather around them to strike ISIS. Without these airstrikes Ayn al Arab and maybe many other cities in Iraq would have fallen. And if you really need millions to defeat a few ten thousands, than that's more than I can say.
Those Millions never went to war they just volunteered otherwise only ninty thousand man selected to fight the insurgence plus the takfirees.
Second you think they were few ten thousands they actually were more than that! you can't take on nation army with few ten thousands.

Third Ain Alarab is a Syrian town not Iraqi didn't I say you have no Idea.

Fourth can you believe it that more Iraqis got killed by friendly US fire than ISIS because isis stayed active on the western front while they pushed away from the northern front because the US coalition did great work on the Northern front.
 
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I see Bahceli's statement. This man is unbelievable. According to him, MHP is victorious because they didn't fall under 10% which was AKP's plan!

I will always said, while Bahceli and Killardaroglu are the other party leader, Erdogan dosn't have to worry. It very sad the only smart and capable opponent of Erdogan, is HDP leader Demirtas.
 
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I see Bahceli's statement. This man is unbelievable. According to him, MHP is victorious because they didn't fall under 10% which was AKP's plan!

I will always said, while Bahceli and Killardaroglu are the other party leader, Erdogan dosn't have to worry. It very sad the only smart and capable opponent of Erdogan, is HDP leader Demirtas.

AKP parliamenter thanks Bahçeli. :lol:

AK Partili Berber’den MHP lideri Bahçeli’ye teşekkür
 
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We want milli otomobil and milli plane.
I want to work in an industry factory plant in Turkey. I want to eat my meals in the cantina and produce turkish machinery for export. I want to live in my hometown from my dad.

Please Ak parti invest in my hometown. I want to work 50 hours a week to produce milli otomobil!!!
 
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We want milli otomobil and milli plane.
I want to work in an industry factory plant in Turkey. I want to eat my meals in the cantina and produce turkish machinery for export. I want to live in my hometown from my dad.

Please Ak parti invest in my hometown. I want to work 50 hours a week to produce milli otomobil!!!
Where is your hometown, lemme make some calls hahaha
 
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@LegionnairE , At first, I thought You did not know Sharia = The law of Allah (Not a politic instrument) so I though to advice you to seperate the faults of disgusting people who use all those holy rules for their personal benefits to strenghten their seats or egoes but It seems You directly target the Kuran-i Kerim which is an insult to holy values of great majority of Turkish people and World Muslim community.

Warning issued !
It's alright bro, I'm not mad at you for banning me at all... I used to be a muslim like you so I understand how offensive it sounds when I put things like that and we don't exactly have an absolute free-speech policy in this forum.

But I'd like you to know that those disgusting people who enforce sharia around the world, base their ideology on Kur'an.
I know I was offensive but I was honest... I didn't say those things to hurt anyone's feelings. And as long as honest people like you do not read Kur'an with a critical view, evil people are going to take advantage.
If someone wants to live his/her own life like in the Sharia be my guest i dont care.
But if you force me or my family to live the way you want to then i stand against it.
It's against the nature of sharia to stay out of your life man. It dictates a lifestyle that you have to live in the boundaries of.

In Iran they risk their lives to drink a glass of wine. You simply can't be free.
As much as i agree that people should respect one another, what many Islamic states implement as 'sharia', is their version of it; just check out Saudi Arabia, and then go check how Pakistan has implemented it. It is easy to say 'oh sharia is what the kuran says' an disregard other dynamic. What legionairE is saying, is easily arguable, when you look at the Saudis and Gulf states; Do you think an old man should get whipped for carrying home made wine, or should a thieves hand be cut off, or a rape victim being charged of adultery? Let me Highlight this, i'm referring to the current 'saudis sharia'.

What would your interpretation be? Also who decides the correct version? I'm sure, if someone told a saudi that there version is incorrect they would tell that person to fuk off.

I don't know if im making myself clear enough.

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rape victim actually gets a bigger punishment than the rapist.

If a woman gets raped in Afghanistan, taliban stones her to death... you know what the rapist gets? whip punishment.
because of course, it's a woman's fault to get raped.
"she was asking for it"
I don't support the sharia because that will disturb many ateist people or other religious but I think @LegionnairE you worst than this peoples which support it.

Because this people will want the sharia only with the support of the majority, but you want a coup d'etat which be only supported by the minority.
Being the majority doesn't make your judgement moral. NSDP was majority.

Coup d'etat is the moral thing to do right now as strange as it may sound. We're not living in a perfect democracy. People in power are aobviously corrupted and they need to be stripped of their power to answer for their crimes.

btw.. worse*
you've used a superlative adjective where comparative should be.
I don't think he is a iman to quote a verse......and the traduction of Kuran has many error, if you want to understand it use a tefsir.
I've probably read Kuran more than you bro.. as a child I've read it in arabic over and over again. But it was a pointless activity. I think everyone should read it in Turkish and understand what they are dealing with.
 
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Reading in Turkish isnt really reading Quran it is just meâl the best meâl known in Turkish coming closest to original form is Elmalılı Hamdi Yazır there is difference between meâls.

Quran can never be perfectly translated in another language as one Arabic word can have many different meanings even some meanings and words that doesnt exist in Turkish or other languages, an ordinary person on individual base can never correctly learn and understand Quran without knowledge without knowing high level Arabic without help

Thats the reason why you need people of knowledge 'alimler' to guide you, the tarikats that were forbidden, they were like todays universities learning the students many crucial knowledge about the tefsir, high level arabic the history and true meanings and explanations of the verses but also manners, spirituality, knowing yourself, the ego deep knowledge, secret knowledges it is not easy you need to spend a life time to get at some levels

However for a ordinary person learning high level arabic on his own is still not enough as i said there are much more knowledge needed both secret and open also one must know life of the prophet, hadis and sünnet to understand

Without the knowledge and guidance and help from Allah you will blindly only open one of meãls with Ego full of arrogance, ignorance and şirk and so called read the Quran then blame Quran for slavery, rape, murder and pedophilia that's exactly what you said about HOLY QURAN like those islamophobes do

Thats all you can say because you simply dont know any better

Your behavior is similar to a illiterate ignorant retarded person who has the nerve talking down on astronomy and science belittling NASA and their scientists while he doesnt even have an idea and cant imagine what he is really talking about.. its so retarded thats why i said stick to your own profession dont argue about matters you dont know anything about

I know you still think you know it all because you had once in your life read a meâl isnt it?

just stick to astronomy buddy thats you job if i ever have question about astronomy i will ask you with respect i'm serious
 
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@IronEagle

I've dealt with these excuses before.

people say these things like how "beat your wife" doesn't actually mean beat your wife.
But like 25 out of 30 translations say "beat your wife" including Diyanat :D

Since I speak multiple languages I know that some phrases can never be properly translated from one language to another. But don't pull this sh*t on me... okay? It's not rocket science.

Don't fvck kids, don't rape, don't enslave. These are things that could easily be in Kuran but they aren't okay? Instead there are things like "don't hunt while wearing ihram"

Allah really had his priorities straight I'm telling you.
 
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@IronEagle

I've dealt with these excuses before.

people say these things like how "beat your wife" doesn't actually mean beat your wife.

But like 25 out of 30 translations say "beat your wife" including Diyanat :D


You're wrong. In Qur'an, it says that last resort (before divorce) is to hit your wife. Now, that hitting is symbolic. As in, you "hit" your wife with a branch of tree that is similar to a tooth brush in size and width..

Now, you'll say that I'm making excuses and that hit means hit. But guess what? this issue is not disputed by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself gave this ruling of "symbolic hitting" that I talked about (hitting your wife symbolically with a miswaaq (tree branch similar to tooth brush)....and again, the hitting part is last resort before divorce.
 
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You're wrong. In Qur'an, it says that last resort (before divorce) is to hit your wife. Now, that hitting is symbolic. As in, you "hit" your wife with a branch of tree that is similar to a tooth brush in size and width..

Now, you'll say that I'm making excuses and that hit means hit. But guess what? this issue is not disputed by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself gave this ruling of "symbolic hitting" that I talked about (hitting your wife symbolically with a miswaaq (tree branch similar to tooth brush)....and again, the hitting part is last resort before divorce.
yeah yeah, I've read it.

It goes, and I'm roughly translating from Turkish "If your wife doesn't obey you first warn her, then leave her alone in the bed, if she still doesn't obey you beat her" sorry man, doesn't matter to me what you beat her with it's not acceptable to me. If it's acceptable to you it's fine. But don't pull this "you don't speak arabic so you can't understand" bullshit on me.

That's all I'm asking.
 
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yeah yeah, I've read it.

It goes, and I'm roughly translating from Turkish "If your wife doesn't obey you first warn her, then leave her alone in the bed, if she still doesn't obey you beat her" sorry man, doesn't matter to me what you beat her with it's not acceptable to me.

Ok that's fine. But I just wanted you to be correct in your assertions.

Qur'an doesn't outright say "beat your wife"...the beating it talks about is symbolic beating--the last resort before divorce.

You are in your rights to have a problem with that, but just wanted to have the record correct.. :)
 
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Ok that's fine. But I just wanted you to be correct in your assertions.

Qur'an doesn't outright say "beat your wife"...the beating it talks about is symbolic beating--the last resort before divorce.

You are in your rights to have a problem with that, but just wanted to have the record correct.. :)
Thanks man :) Just so you know, some people... in like 5 or 6 translations tried to soften that part in Turkish

That's why I brought it up
 
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