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I like the way Turkey has a postive influence to the world...

I’ve just returned to Parliament from a brief visit to Istanbul, Turkey, and I must say I’ve come hugely impressed. Istanbul (the legendary Constantinople) was, in many ways, the centre of the old world, and it’s now thrusting forward again into the new. Istanbul is famously where Europe meets Asia — the only city in the world that has a continental boundary running through it — yet it has little of the feel of our continent, coming across as a bustling, prosperous, clean and orderly European city in almost every respect. But it is the most famous city of a country, Turkey, that has only about three per cent of its landmass in Europe, and whose population is 99 per cent Muslim.
It was with great foresight and idealism that the founder of the modern Turkish state, Kemal Ataturk, declared a Muslim country a secular state, and brought in Western civil codes and institutions. Turkey is remarkably well-oriented towards the West and its culture and values, while retaining the traditional faith of its people. The ascent to power of the avowedly Islamic AK Party under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan momentarily created anxieties for Turkey’s secular credentials, but its nearly 10 years in power have been reassuring: the ruling party is credibly Islamic in orientation without being Islamist in its politics. The AK Party has almost become a Muslim version of the Christian Democratic parties that dominated European politics a few decades ago.
Turkey’s domestic politics are a classic case of the tussle between democratic secularism on the one hand and conservative traditionalism on the other, and so far democratic secularism is doing rather well. The successful blend of Islam and democracy has made Turkey, in the words of the US state department, the “most successful example in the world today of a secular democracy within a Muslim society” which can “inspire reformers in the greater Middle East and beyond”.
Turkey has only recently, in fact, realised the great role it can play in the Middle East and, consequently, in the world. God and geography have placed it in a strategically important location between Europe and the Middle East: it shares borders with eight countries, Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. It has the largest military strength in Europe and the second largest within the Nato, of which it is a member. Turkey is, almost by default, a major player in maintaining stability in its region. In addition, the image of Turkey as a moderate, democratic and secular state has given it a comfortable place in the minds of the West, while its Islamic roots appeal to all those countries the West is less comfortable with. The combination has been remarkably successful: Turkey has the ear of both sides in a host of international disputes and crises.
In recent years, Turkey’s impressive foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu has led an activist foreign policy in which Turkey is seen as a moderate influence in an otherwise worrying area and has been acting as mediator in many international situations. Following the Russia-Georgia crisis, it acted as a third-party conciliator; it has been hosting meetings between Israel and the Palestinians (it is the only major Muslim country that maintains full diplomatic relations with Israel); it has facilitated talks between Israel and Syria; and just last week it hosted talks between Iran and the “Permanent Five plus one” (the US, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany) on the contentious nuclear issue. It has also been helping promote international understanding on the future of Afghanistan.
Turkey has also benefited from the flourishing of its soft power. Turkish material and cultural goods (especially Turkish soap operas, which are wildly popular throughout the Arab world) are now found throughout the Middle East and much of the investment in the country is being channelled in from the Gulf, where the common Islamic connection strikes a chord. The West, for its part, however, is only slowly welcoming Turkey. It applied first to join the European Economic Community in 1959 but has still not succeeded in fully integrating itself politically and economically with Europe, having knocked on the closed door of the EU for decades. The reasons that prevent it from securing membership of the EU include European (especially French and German) prejudices against a Muslim population entering Europe, a call for greater internal Western-style reforms at a pace that Turkey does not agree with, and finally contention over its relations with some of its neighbours, most crucially Cyprus, where Turkish troops have created a de facto partition since 1974. Despite Europe’s reluctance to admit Turkey into the EU, the West has been largely prepared to listen to Turkey and see it as a model worth promoting, especially in a region prone to, or at least vulnerable to, Islamic fundamentalism.
Economically too, the country is progressing. The Turkish economy has rebounded ferociously from recession to cross 10 per cent growth in each of the last two fiscal years. Its economy is the 17th largest in the world. Far from the image of the impoverished land from which hundreds of thousands of “guest workers” flocked to Germany in quest of decent living standards, Istanbul positively gleams with prosperity.
India shares a satisfactory relationship with Turkey but there is considerable scope for improvement, since neither side has reached out to the other fully. Military regimes in Turkey and Pakistan were close to each other, and secular Ankara made common cause with the supposedly kindred spirits in Islamabad, leading to a certain distance between New Delhi and Ankara. The volume of bilateral trade stands at a meagre $7.6 billion. There has been an FTA deal in the offing for quite some time now, but negotiations have dragged on for a while and are far from nearing completion. High-level visits had not occurred for nearly a decade when President Gul came calling last year; the last time a Turkish Prime Minister visited India was in 2003. Turkey is therefore undeniably a land of unexplored potential for India.
The question that comes to mind, in a month which has shown us the increasing prospects of Brics emerging as a body with an alternative view of the world, is: could Turkey, a Nato member with a mind of its own, join them? There are no signs yet, but no country offers a more natural fit with the incipient new grouping than Turkey. Bricst won’t be easy to pronounce, but the entry of Turkey would fill a hole in the geographical centre and enhance the group’s geopolitical potential. It’s well worth thinking about.

Turkish delight | The Asian Age
 
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BRIC countries are based on absolute size. Just look at Brasilian economy, a great example about inward-oriented economy. My point is, BRIC countries cannot be a model for today's Turkey.
If a population boom will happen in Turkey and if we can grab some oil from Eastern Med. , they can be an example for us, but not today.


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You can expect an Indian to write nonsense like these.

Istanbul is famously where Europe meets Asia — the only city in the world that has a continental boundary running through it — yet it has little of the feel of our continent, coming across as a bustling, prosperous, clean and orderly European city in almost every respect


It was with great foresight and idealism that the founder of the modern Turkish state, Kemal Ataturk, declared a Muslim country a secular state, and brought in Western civil codes and institutions.


It has the largest military strength in Europe and the second largest within the Nato, of which it is a member.


One could find dozens of other hilarious statements that can,perhaps, only be scripted by Indians.
 
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You can expect an Indian to write nonsense like these.

One could find dozens of other hilarious statements that can,perhaps, only be scripted by Indians.

Banglar, please elaborate, which of those statements are exaggerated?
 
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Meanwhile I noticed that Turkey Pictures thread is missing. I was looking around early this week but could not see it. Turkish members can post some pictures for interested member like me.
 
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Idiot, the article is referring to the active military personnel, which Turkey has the superiority over Europe.

Russia has more active military personnel than Turkey. If Russia is not considered European, then Turkey can not be considered European. The most emphatic proof of this fact can be gained if anybody carries out a public poll/survey all around Europe asking if they would consider Russia or Turkey more European.

There was no need to use personal insults since for many historical reasons, the appellation "Turk" is considered an insult in many parts of Europe - the same region that Turks desperately want to be associated with.
 
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Banglar, please elaborate, which of those statements are exaggerated?

Not just exaggerated but outright hilarious.

Istanbul is famously where Europe meets Asia — the only city in the world that has a continental boundary running through it — yet it has little of the feel of our continent, coming across as a bustling, prosperous, clean and orderly European city in almost every respect

What does he mean by "feel of our continent"? Asia is the most diverse and most populous continent on the planet, so there is no general feeling or vibe you would get upon descending in all Asian cities. Asian cities are very diverse in terms of cleanliness, levels of development, levels of demographic homogeneity, climate and architectural layouts, to name a few factors.

From what the Indian describes, the reader is then led to believe that Istanbul does not exude the feeling of Asia because it is "bustling, prosperous, clean and orderly" according to the author, which is highly ridiculous to say the least. Consider all cities in Japan, Korea, even Taiwan, or cities like Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya, Singapore, Hong Kong to understand how ignorant the author sounds. Also, many people might consider cities like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha and Muscat Asian.



It was with great foresight and idealism that the founder of the modern Turkish state, Kemal Ataturk, declared a Muslim country a secular state, and brought in Western civil codes and institutions.

It was a terrible decision to copy only some worthless aspects of Western societies which never allowed Turkey or any non Western country to excel the West in any aspect. Some superficial changes here and there like dress codes (which were also not accepted by the majority of Turks) or the alphabet actually exemplify the shallowness of the logical thought processes of these backward dictators. They only thought that development was generated by superficial changes when these changes have little to nothing to do with development.


It has the largest military strength in Europe and the second largest within the Nato, of which it is a member.

Russia has more active military personnel than Turkey. If Russia is not considered European, then Turkey can not be considered European. The most emphatic proof of this fact can be gained if anybody carries out a public poll/survey all around Europe asking if they would consider Russia or Turkey more European.
 
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Russia has more active military personnel than Turkey. If Russia is not considered European, then Turkey can not be considered European. The most emphatic proof of this fact can be gained if anybody carries out a public poll/survey all around Europe asking if they would consider Russia or Turkey more European.

Turkey has only recently, in fact, realised the great role it can play in the Middle East and, consequently, in the world. God and geography have placed it in a strategically important location between Europe and the Middle East: it shares borders with eight countries, Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. It has the largest military strength in Europe and the second largest within the Nato, of which it is a member. Turkey is, almost by default, a major player in maintaining stability in its region. In addition, the image of Turkey as a moderate, democratic and secular state has given it a comfortable place in the minds of the West, while its Islamic roots appeal to all those countries the West is less comfortable with. The combination has been remarkably successful: Turkey has the ear of both sides in a host of international disputes and crises.

The article states Turkey as a Nato member, and compares it with its European counterparts.


But you showed your racist part:
You can expect an Indian to write nonsense like these.
 
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Just finished interacting closely with a Turkish government regulatory delegation last week. I was impressed by their attention to technical detail, as they were with our world class facilities. Turkey is a big market for us and it is really refreshing to see and deal with a modern open progressive muslim state and people like them.
 
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