Turkish Aviation Programs

[Stimpy75]

^^ very well said!!!

 

[UkroTurk]

Atatürk's legacy was under attack by even his closest friends. Even before his death but during his illness they put Atatürk aside and made decisions unbeknowst to him.

Misteriously, these projects and many more good things vanished into thin air. Still today some perverts gather in large groups and try to stop big projects just like the gezi events exemplify

Dear project started in1948 when Inonu was the President, cancelled in 1953 when Menderes was the PM.
A lot of people blame Menderes to buy US planes.

 

[Successwill]

Dear project started in1948 when Inonu was the President, cancelled in 1953 when Menderes was the PM.
A lot of people blame Menderes to buy US planes.

Menderes or else doesnt matter.. They became slaves of the west

 

[monitor]

İLK UÇAN KANADIMIZ
07 Mart 2010


Geleceğin yolcu uçakları,uçan kanat tasarımıyla gökyüzündeki yerini alacak.


Gövdesi tamamen kanat şeklinde imal edilecek bu uçaklar, mükemmel aerodinamik tasarımıyla az yakıt harcayacak. 800 yolcusunu kıtalar arasında
taşıyacak. Bu konsepte bir katkı da 1940’lı yıllarda Türkiye’den gelmişti.

NASA’nın öncülük ettiği, Boeing ve Airbus’ın üzerinde çalıştığı uçan kanat projelerinin geçmişi 1930’lu yıllara kadar gidiyor. Almanların önce planör, sonra da motor takarak uçurdukları Horten, Amerikan Northrop’un N-1M gibi tasarımları, havacılık dünyasını farklı boyutlara taşıdı. Northrop bu çalışmalardan esinlenerek radara yakalanmayan B-2 bombardıman
uçağını geliştirdi.

Havacılık dünyasının emekleme çağında olduğu 1940’lı yıllarda bu konsepte bir katkı da Türkiye’den geldi. Türk Hava Kurumu Etimesgut Uçak Fabrikası’nda “THK-13” adı verilen uçan kanat planörü tasarlanarak uçuruldu.

Bu proje geliştirilebilseydi, THK-13’ün pervaneli ve jet motorlu modelleri de yapılacaktı. Türk Havacılık Sanayii’nin tozlu sayfalarda kalan bu ilginç tasarım, Mustafa Kılıç tarafından gün yüzüne çıkartıldı. Projenin baş mühendisi Yavuz Kansu’nun el yazması anılarını bulan Kılıç, çalışmalarını “Uçan Kanat THK-13” kitabında topladı.


NASIL BAŞLADI?


İkinci Dünya Savaşı sona erdikten sonra fabrikada görevli Polonyalı mühendisler ülkelerine dönmeye başlamıştı.


Bu projeyle Türk mühendislerinin yapabilecekleri ortaya konulacaktı.


Düşük maliyetli “uçan kanat”, projesinin uluslararası havacılık sanayinde de ses getirmesi bekleniyordu.
Ana tasarım ve teknik hesaplamalar hızla tamamlandı. Uçan kanata fabrikanın 13. projesi olması nedeniyle THK-13 adı verildi. Planör, hafif olması için ahşaptan imal edilecekti.


Tek pilotun oturduğu kokpitin üstü açıktı. Hemen altında ana iniş takımı bulunuyordu. Planör uçakla veya otomobille çekilerek havalanacak şekilde tasarlanmıştı.


İLK TEST UÇUŞU


Yaklaşık 8 ay süren çalışmalar sonrasında THK-13 tamamlandı. İlk uçuş 20 Ağustos 1948’de Test Pilotu Kadri Kavukçu tarafından gerçekleştirdi.


6 Ağustos’ta yapılan uçuşta talihsiz bir kaza yaşandı. Uçakla çekilerek havalanan THK- 13, Çankaya üzerine gelerek Cumhurbaşkanı İnönü’ye gösterilecekti.

300 metre yükseklikte köşkün üzerine gelen THK-13, bir anda uçağın çektiği telden kurtuldu. Uçan kanat, Küçükesat bağlarındaki düzlüğe indi.


Mecburi iniş hafif hasarla atlatılmıştı. Hemen kurtarma ekipleri olay yerine gitti. Hızla planör tamir edildi. Olduğu yerden uçakla çekilerek havalandırıldı.


THK-13 kısa bir süre sonra yeniden telden kurtuldu ancak bu sefer sert bir iniş yaptı. Pilot hafif yaralanırken planörde ağır hasar oluştu.


Fabrikada çalışmalar yeniden başladı. Tasarım elden geçirildi. Ana yapı güçlendirildi. Test pilotu olarak bu sefer Cemal Uygun seçilmişti. 30 Eylül’de kalkış için uçağın çektiği THK-13 hızlanma sırasında sağa kaçmaya başlamıştı.


Pilot Uygun, çok az irtifa aldıktan sonra teli bırakmak zorunda kaldı. THK-13, yatışla piste vurarak ters döndü. Pilot yaralanırken planör tamamen parçalanmıştı.


İncelemede kanat içinde mengenin unutulduğu, kalkış sırasında yerinden çıkan mengenin kumanda sisteminin çalışmasını engellediği ortaya çıktı.


Paris Havacılık Fuarı’nda sergilenen ve yurtdışında ilgi gören proje, kazadan sonra iptal edildi.


Büyük heyecanla başlayan THK-13, tarihin tozlu yaprakları arasında kaybolup gitti.

EN VERİMLİ TASARIM


* Teorik olarak uçan kanat, aerodinamik açıdan en verimli uçuş karakteristliğine sahip uçak tasarımı. Bunun nedeni, hava filelerinin kanat yüzeyini tam olarak kullanması. Böylece daha az motor gücüyle ekonomik uçuş yapılabiliyor.

* Yüzey genişlediği için taşıma kapasitesi standart tasarımlara göre çok daha fazla.
* Tasarımda en büyük sorun uçağın kontrolünün zor olması. Bu problem yeni nesil dizaynlarda geliştirilmiş otopilotla çözülüyor.


* Boeing’in “Phantom Works-Hayalet İşler” bölümü tarafından geliştirilen 7 metre
kanat açıklığına sahip X-48B, NASA’nın desteklediği fonlarla ilk uçuşunu 2007’de yaptı. 3 bin metreye yükselen uçak, saatte 220 kilometre hıza ulaştı. Modelin geliştirilerek önümüzdeki 20 yıl içinde sivil yolcu taşımada kullanılması planlanıyor.


* Halen hizmetteki B-2 bombardıman uçağı, uçan kanadın en başarılı örneği. Havacılık dünyasının 1 milyar dolarlık birim fiyatıyla en pahalı uçağı unvanını elinde bulunduran B-2, radara yakalanmıyor.

Tolga Özbek/Hürriyet-Kokpit

 

[Tuco71]

Hürkuş-B overcomes another milestone


Turkish Primary and Basic Trainer Aircraft Program (Hürkuş-B) has passed to a new phase as Critical Design Review ( CDR) has been accomplished successfully. Representatives from Turkish Air Forces, Undersecretariat for Defence Industries and Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) have completed the CDR. As CDR demonstrates that the maturity of the design is appropriate to support proceeding with full-scale fabrication, assembly, integration, and test, Hürkuş-B may move on to production phase now. TAI will produce 15 Hürkus-B aircraft for Turkish Air Force and delivery will begin in June 2018.

Source: http://en.c4defence.com/Agenda/hurkusb-overcomes-another-milestone/740/1

 

[Admiral444]

turkish helicopters get a new paint job, its the same one as the T-129 Atak

 

[Barbaros]

Atatürk's death was a chance for foreing and domestic anti-Turks to exploit weak minded politicians and to stop Türkiye from its march to future.. They never let us be productive instead they wanted an assembly industry in Türkiye by making some families stick out. They used media very well to distract the attention of Turkish people, to cover their illegal acts..

Atatürk's legacy was under attack by even his closest friends. Even before his death but during his illness they put Atatürk aside and made decisions unbeknowst to him.

Misteriously, these projects and many more good things vanished into thin air. Still today some perverts gather in large groups and try to stop big projects just like the gezi events exemplify

You summarized Turkey's problem perfectly, i couldnt have said it any better.

 

[Barbaros]

Very impressive, it seems we have forgotten history to discover. The early republic era had a successful industries and original products. The economic, political and industrial surrender to imperial powers began with Inönü, which was the rival of Atatürk. After inönü came to power he immediately transferred the Turkish education system and curriculum to foreign control. Then the obedience to IMF began, which is basically a mechanism to control countries by global powers and barons.
It really took a while till Turkey could unchain itself from all these interventions. In Gezi they tried to drag Turkey back to its former sorry situation, it didnt work. But it worked in Ukraine and immediately they divided and dragged into debt.
It also worked in Brazil, right after it got hooked back to the IMF.




One of the first Turkish planes NU.D-36, 1938.



Another one NU.D-38, 1944.

 

[Oguzhan]

You are wrong.Inonu just continued what it was.Can you really believe that a country can't produce a tank at war in 1914 but can dı it 5-6 years after a catastrophic war ? No way. Most of them was German technology.They bring it to Turkey 'cos it was banned for them due to versaille.
Inonu just continued the same way as Atatürk did.He even started Villagte institutes.
It was beloved Adnan Menderes.With close politics to USA,he banished our education system and groing industry.Our country was semi communist in that years.Turkey is way front of USA in terms of social-state.

 

[Anthony Brazi]

Hello everybody,

I just discovered your forum where I found really interesting information
I also see that you know a lot about Turkish Air Force so I wanted to ask you a question :
Does anyone know if the Aselpod of Aselsan is already operational ? In fact it should be operational but I didn't find any information about it
And another one, did they make it alone or with US or European cooperation?

Thanks a lot for your answers

 

[Barbaros]

You are wrong.Inonu just continued what it was.Can you really believe that a country can't produce a tank at war in 1914 but can dı it 5-6 years after a catastrophic war ? No way. Most of them was German technology.They bring it to Turkey 'cos it was banned for them due to versaille.
Inonu just continued the same way as Atatürk did.He even started Villagte institutes.
It was beloved Adnan Menderes.With close politics to USA,he banished our education system and groing industry.Our country was semi communist in that years.Turkey is way front of USA in terms of social-state.

I have to disagree with you on that, you can't compare Inönü with Ataturk. Ataturk was a successful leader and politician. Inönü on the other hand was a miserable failure to say the least, or he wasnt a failure but a straight out traitor which is responsible why Turkey was a heavily dependent poor country for 60 years
If Inönü was a good leader, then you might as well make a case the wheel is square.
Inönü couldnt have continued Ataturks policy, the guy hated Ataturk. The first thing he did after he came to power
was dismissing Ataturks close friends from key positions. The dismissed staff was basically the black box of
Ataturks successful revolutionary movement, Ataturks strategy was not only the independence of Turkey but
also evading all kind of Imperialist influence on the country, later Inönü would proof to be total opposite.
Right after Ataturks death when he took over the government in 1938, he signed an agreement and allied
with Britain and France. He left the neutral independent policy, the alliance wasnt out of necessity. Later
he would confirm that by saying "even if Soviets cause no danger, our policy would go hand in hand with US"

He stopped all kind of industrial ambitions and economic growth and started instead, a chain of one sided
beneficiary deals with US. Some of them obliged Turkey to fulfill duties others were
conditioned credit deals which gave US control over Turkey, changing the country into a colony.

During his time the economy crashed miserably, debt got 4 times higher and the price of consumer goods 5 times higher.Taxes were very high, people couldnt pay their taxes. Very harsh measures were taken,
people who couldn't pay their taxes were sent to labor camps, women included.
Basic food items were sold with limit and was recorded, no one could have more even if you got
the money. People were starving, they were stocking all the goods as a measure to poverty which might
brake during WW2. But they had no problem with giving huge amounts of goods to foreign countries.
Whats even worse is, after the war great stocks of goods were terminated.

In 1945 he signed an agreement with US which obliged Turkey to fulfill all kind of duties, pushing Turkey
towards a pupit state. Later US prevented Turkey to invade Cyprus based on this agreement, after some time Turkey
invaded anyway which caused a crisis and boycott to Turkey.

In 1946 another agreement was signed, which would make Turkey dependent on American weapons. It was a conditioned credit of 10 million dollars if Turkey would buy left over US military equipments. US would keep the
ownership of the bought equipment, and it would be obtained, as is. No guarantee was given to any defect or damage.This agreement made Turkey constantly buy spare parts to old weapons and is known in the society as
"economic and military help from US".

In 1947 signed membership to IMF and World Bank, Later the IMF would play a major role in determining Turkish economic policy, with stand-by agreements whenever Turkey was in financial crisis.

In 1947 he made another conditioned credit deal of 10 million dollars, despite there was no debt and the treasury
contained 245 million dolar of gold and money.

From 1948 to 1951 a chain of conditioned credit deals were received within the frame of Marshall Plan. These funds were given with agreement it would be spend according to a plan determined by US. The plan was supposed to redevelop the countries struck by WW2. But all the plan was recommending to Turkey was to stop production and buy from US. With other words, it prevented countries from developing their own industries and buy from US, be US dependent !

In 1949 he signed an agreement which gave US control over the Turkish education system.
The Turkish education plan and system was determined by a commission controlled by American executives.
All the politicians and other staff in key government positions were educated in America, they were
brainwashed and indoctrinated to be submissive to the Imperialist hegemony in Turkey.

One of Inönü's greatest blows was abandoning all kind of heavy industrialization and independent industries based on the Thornburg, Fullbright...etc reports. It agreed to import, instead of produce,
Turkey changed into a mere market where others made money from.

Almost everything Inönü did was to prevent Turkey's growth or independence, he created local bourgeois which served the new world order. He constitutionalized this policy so much that even if new governments came, it was impossible to go a different pathway. The reason why Turkey for 60 years had no independent industries, policy and struggled with poverty and debt was the result of this policy.

Another big blow Turkey inherited from Inönü is the loss of 12 islands in the Aegean, despite being offered for free.
Turkey and Greece have hundreds of kilometers of sea between them, but strangely all the sea belongs to Greece.
The reason Whenever a Turkish boat sails some kilometers from Turkish coast and gets intercepted by some rattletrap Greek gunboat, is the work of this traitor. The Italians offered the islands to Turkey for free but Inönü rejected it. Our chap "wont give nor want ground from someone" with some poetic rant like that.

Menderes in the other hand struggled for economic growth, independent policy and industries.
He paid great importance to agriculture, tractor vehicles amount went from 1800 to 44000, harvester machines
from 1000 to 6000. He founded industries and factories like MKEK mech./chem. ind., Denizcilik bank, Meat and Fish Foundation, Equipment Office, paper factory, Turkish Petroleum, Eregli Iron factory....
The economy booked yearly 9% growth, he had great ambitions to build a dam on Tigris and Euphrates.
But all this collided with the Imperialist control bourgeois built thanks to Inönü, so internal and exterior Imperial
control mechanisms jumped into action to prevent these growth and independent ambitions.
They blocked the funds to stop the projects, Inönü's internal mob, World Bank and IMF caused the Turkish currency to devaluate. It hit the economy soo hard that after 4 years of pressure the lira devaluated from 2 to 9, as a result of this, debt ceiled to outrageous figures and Menderes was forced to submit to IMF. It didnt end there, they couped him from his position and executed him. That was the price to pay for countering Imperialist control.

 

[UkroTurk]

İnönü and Atatürk were friends, İnönü was president during the 2ww.

What should İnönü had done in order to sadisfacte 15 lets boys?

İnönü was a Turkish Nationalist. İf you dont believe you must look İnönü's hard Kurdih politics. He terribly punisned Kurdish rebels.

İnönü's best success was

that he hadnt let Turkey join to bloody second world war.
The Turkish youth could have appreceiated him. Unfortunately not.

While inönü was president ,Turkey had economic crises subject to war.
Other nations werent better. 70 million people were killed.
For you everything is very simple.
only one mistake for me:
When menderes won, İnönü changed politics of CHP, and he turned face to left politics, he gathered marksists in order to be different then Menderes.
Untill 1950 CHP was right, nationalist politic party.

 

[Oguzhan]

I don't compate İnönü with Atatürk.It is Atatürk's policy and politics.İnönü is İnönü.Atatürk though İnönü was dead and he just learnt it before his own death.İnönü is known as hi short hand.He doesn't like to waste and lose things.Even multi-party elections is not his wish but west's.that marshall helps killed this country.And that belowed Menderes was just a puppet.

 

[Some1LikeU]

Welcome to Turkish section Anthony Brazi,

If I am not wrong Aselpod of Aselsan is still experimental phase means tests are continue on different platforms..

Second questions answer is the Usa or west dont want to share high tech with Turkey especially about aviation and space systems. So i am not sure but aselpod produced by Aselsan, maybe some components of subsystems used of foreign west or usa (i dont know - no info shared with public)
Maybe Cebatli 53 can reply ur question better than me. ..
You can be sure that Turkey wants to local industry products in defence & independence... trying to make the best on his way....

 

[Bismarck]

Hello everybody,

I just discovered your forum where I found really interesting information
I also see that you know a lot about Turkish Air Force so I wanted to ask you a question :
Does anyone know if the Aselpod of Aselsan is already operational ? In fact it should be operational but I didn't find any information about it
And another one, did they make it alone or with US or European cooperation?

Thanks a lot for your answers

You can introduce yourself here: https://defence.pk/threads/welcome-to-our-new-members-in-turkish-defence-section.431180/