Turkish Aviation Programs

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[Incog_nito]

Is Turkey negotiating on EF-2000s from the EU? And how many will they acquire initially.

 

[xbat]

Is Turkey negotiating on EF-2000s from the EU? And how many will they acquire initially.

no, where did you hear this story?

 

[Incog_nito]

no, where did you hear this story?

Somewhere over YouTube. It says Turkey is now seriously considering it as to move away from the USA-built machines. And this will allow UK to sell them EJ-200 engines for TFX Program.

 

[Oublious]

Somewhere over YouTube. It says Turkey is now seriously considering it as to move away from the USA-built machines. And this will allow UK to sell them EJ-200 engines for TFX Program.

Turkey will upgrade ther F16 fleet with AESA radar, 200 F16 will be upgraded with latest EW and Radar. Ther is no need for another fighter untill TFX is ready.

Fist Fighter wirh Aesa will be ready in 2023.

 

[LegionnairE]

Turkey will upgrade ther F16 fleet with AESA radar, 200 F16 will be upgraded with latest EW and Radar. Ther is no need for another fighter untill TFX is ready.

Wish it was true but it's not. We are in a very difficult situation in the eastern mediterranean. Israeli F35s are very active in Syria. And Greek Rafales are the latest version. Power balance is against us and we need an immediate response if the crisis in the mediterranean turns hot.

I don't know what it will be, Su57 or Typhoon or Gripen NG. But we need something. Now.

I think the reason why this "we don't need anything" narrative is being pushed is because Erdoğan doesn't want to lose face for getting Turkey kicked out of the F35 program.

 

[MMM-E]

I don't know what it will be, Su57 or Typhoon or Gripen NG. But we need something. Now.

I think the reason why this "we don't need anything" narrative is being pushed is because Erdoğan doesn't want to lose face for getting Turkey kicked out of the F35 program.

"We don't need anything"

İf BAYKAR and TAI develop jet engine powered low RCS unmanned Fighter Jet which carry AESA Radar and GOKHAN ramjet engined long range air to air Missiles until 2025


-- Turkey should spend $7-10 billion to develop the TFX , instead of buying Eurofighter or SU-57

even Turkey modernize 35 F-16 block30s to block72 standart

-- The service life of F-16 Block 30 extended from 8.000 hours to 12000 hours
-- National Friend-Foe Identification (IFF) System
-- National AESA Radar
-- SPEWS-II EW System
-- National Mission Computer
-- Multifunction Cockpit Center Display Active Matrix Liquid Crystal Display
-- Fuel Hydraulic Gauge
-- Inertial Navigation System
-- Engine Indicator Display
-- National Sound Safety Device
-- Digital Camouflage
-- GOKHAN ramjet engined long range air to air Missile to match with F-15 , Rafale , SU-35 in BVR combat


-- also 163 CCIP modernized F-16s and 29 F-16 block50+ and S400 , SIPER Air Defense Systems to protect Turkish airspace and EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

-- AKINCI UCAV and HURJET Jet Fighter to carry 100+ km MRASHM anti-ship Missile , 250km KUZGUN-TJ joint strike Missile even 275km SOM-J Cruise Missile to hit enemy Warships in the Eastern Mediterranean


-- 1.000+ km BORA Ballistic Missile and GEZGIN land based Cruise Missile for strategic strike capability to hit military targets in the region

-- and 280km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile , 250km ATMACA-K land based Cruise Missile to hit military targets in Greece


-- also Qatar will deploy up to 36 Fighter Jets in Turkey ( Rafale , Eurofighter and F-15QA ) game changer move from Turkey-Qatar

 

[Oublious]

Wish it was true but it's not. We are in a very difficult situation in the eastern mediterranean. Israeli F35s are very active in Syria. And Greek Rafales are the latest version. Power balance is against us and we need an immediate response if the crisis in the mediterranean turns hot.

I don't know what it will be, Su57 or Typhoon or Gripen NG. But we need something. Now.

I think the reason why this "we don't need anything" narrative is being pushed is because Erdoğan doesn't want to lose face for getting Turkey kicked out of the F35 program.

Our latests radar will have more TR module then the F35, it will close the gap between the countries. TFX will be game changer. If you buy today a fighter you will use it 3 years later at least, educating people. You have to build a new logistics. It is not easy, Turkish AESA upgrade is not less theb Viper upgrade of Lockheed.

 

[LegionnairE]

Our latests radar will have more TR module then the F35, it will close the gap between the countries. TFX will be game changer. If you buy today a fighter you will use it 3 years later at least, educating people. You have to build a new logistics. It is not easy, Turkish AESA upgrade is not less theb Viper upgrade of Lockheed.

Yeah I know it's not easy. But It's still necessary. We were supposed to have the ALTAY by 2016, it's been 5 years and still no tank. There will be delays in the MMU project too I can guarantee you that.

in 2030 when Israel and Greece both have sizable F35 fleets you're hoping to compete over eastern mediterranean with TR modules? Please.

We need something. Tyhphoon, Gripen NG, Su57. Pick one.
And it's not only about quality, we need quantity too.

-- also Qatar will deploy up to 36 Fighter Jets in Turkey ( Rafale , Eurofighter and F-15QA ) game changer move from Turkey-Qatar

pathetic.

There's a saying in Turkey. You can't have sex with your wife using someone else's dick.

 

[Oublious]

Yeah I know it's not easy. But It's still necessary. We were supposed to have the ALTAY by 2016, it's been 5 years and still no tank. There will be delays in the MMU project too I can guarantee you that.

in 2030 when Israel and Greece both have sizable F35 fleets you're hoping to compete over eastern mediterranean with TR modules? Please.

We need something. Tyhphoon, Gripen NG, Su57. Pick one.
And it's not only about quality, we need quantity too.

You should explain me what kind advance typhoon or Gripen would do against F35 or Rafale. And why a F16 with latests Aesa radar and sensors will not do the job? Turkish Viper upgrade are all in the sky and they are testing it. I don't see a reason why we should buy a foreigner fighter.

 

[LegionnairE]

You should explain me what kind advance typhoon or Gripen would do against F35 or Rafale. And why a F16 with latests Aesa radar and sensors will not do the job? Turkish Viper upgrade are all in the sky and they are testing it. I don't see a reason why we should buy a foreigner fighter.

I already said it, it's not just quality, it's the quantity too. We need more fighters simple as. Typhoon does supercruise, has more thrust, which means better launch parameters for AIM120. Also is supermaneuverable and carries more payload due to Delta wing + canard layout. Gripen NG is not stealth but has has a reduced Radar signature, can take off from unprepared landing strips. Which is a strategic advantage. These are just the advantages of the airframes I'm not gonna get into avionics and weapons. Rest assured, these are both superb aircraft.

Another advantage of Gripen is that we already use the F404 engine.

And Su57 is Su57. I don't think I have to explain why it's better than F16. I think we should start discussions with Russians and see how the Americans are reacting.

 

[MMM-E]

pathetic.

There's a saying in Turkey. You can't have sex with your wife using someone else's dick.

to deploy 36 Qatari Rafale , Eurofighter or F-15QA in Turkey = interim solution until Turkish unmanned Fighter Jets
and arms embargo on Turkey by The US - The EU .. still you are talking about F-35 , Eurofighter , GRIPEN
We are fighting with the West and their proxies in Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

do you think Turkey develop nothing ?
Greek Rafale and F-35 can not change anything against Turkey in a conflict


I am saying again ,
BAYKAR and TAI develop jet engine powered , low RCS , AI based unmanned Fighter Jet which carry AESA Radar and GOKHAN ramjet engine long range air to air Missiles until 2025

that means , when we launch our unmanned Fighter Jets, the world will talk about the unmanned Fighter Jets developed by Turkey, not F-35s,


BAYKAR is working with Ukranian MOTOR-SICH AI-25TL turbofan engine for MIUS
TEI develops TF-6000 turbofan Engine
ASELSAN develops GaN based AESA Radar
TUBITAK-SAGE develops GOKHAN ramjet engine long range air to air Missile

TAI TIUS and BAYKAR MIUS easly could match with Rafale and F-35 in BVR Combat
and Turkey can produce 100 TAI TIUS and BAYKAR MIUS ( for quality and quantity )

in 2030 when Israel and Greece both have sizable F35 fleets you're hoping to compete over eastern mediterranean with TR modules? Please.

Most modern weapon Systems will help TAI TIUS and BAYKAR MIUS to protect EEZ in the eastern mediterranean
Nobody dare to match with TURKEY in the region

-- TAI TIUS and BAYKAR MIUS unmanned Fighter Jets armed with GOKHAN air to air missiles
-- 163 CCIP modernized F-16 Block52 armed with AIM-120C7 and GOKHAN air to air missiles
-- 29 F-16 Block50+
-- 35 OZGUR modernized F-16 Block72 armed with GOKHAN air to air missiles
-- AKINCI UCAVs armed with GOKDOGAN and GOKHAN air to air missiles
-- S400 Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O , HISAR-U , SIPER Air Defense Systems
-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs
-- 4 HAVASOJ stand off jammer Aircrafts
-- IHA-SOJ and IHA-AEW
-- KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
-- 600 km EIRS early warning Radar
-- TF-2000 class AAW Destroyers armed with 150km SIPER air defense missiles - 450km CAFRAD AESA Radar

-- BORA Tactical Ballistic Missiles to hit Greek Rafale and F-35s , jet hangars
-- 800 km GEZGIN land based Cruise Missiles to hit Greek Rafale and F-35s , jet hangars
-- 250 km ATMACA-K land based Cruise Missiles to hit Greek Rafale and F-35s , jet hangars

-- SOM-ER will have range of up to 500 km with indigenous KTJ3200 turbojet engine to hit Greek Rafale and F-35s , jet hangars

-- 70km TRLG-230 , 100+ km MRASHM , 120 km TRG-300 , 150km J600T , 150km KGK-LR , 150km AKBABA , 250km ATMACA-K , 250km KUZGUN-TJ , 280km KHAN , 1.000km KARGI to hit all Air Defense Systems in Greece and Greek Islands

also RAMJET and SCRAMJET powered supersonic - hypersonic Missiles

better Greece should worry how to stop upcoming Turkish military power


without F-35 , still Turkey will have great fire power to protect EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

and even I am not talking about the TF-X

 

[Kaptan Reis]

The F-35 is bad choice for turkish air force
The Director of Operational Tests and Evaluation of the Pentagon had again identified 871 deficiencies concerning the F-35 fighter of Lockheed-Martin, including ten of category n ° 1, that is to say that, according to the definition of the US Air Force, they can "cause death or serious injury, loss or serious damage" .

F-35A fighter jet engine wears out faster than expected .
20% of US Air Force F-35As could run out of engines by 2025, especially if no corrections are made.


According to official figures, the cost of an hour's flight on an F-35 is $ 36,000. Lockheed-Martin assured that this amount would be reduced to $ 25,000, which General Kelly said doubted. What's more, the device's availability rate is said to be 69%, which is well below the 80% demanded by the Pentagon, according to Defense News.

The F-16 "Viper" presents interesting capacities, or, at least, likely to match the needs of the US Air Force in the future while waiting for the 6 th generation aircraft
“If we have the ability to do something even more efficient for less and faster, why not? Let's not just buy off the shelf, let's take a look at something else we can build, ”General Brown told reporters.

The F35 would come over too expensive to the interview for Turkey and without much benefit in the end.

Ankara made the right choice to eject the program believe well

 

[Kaptan Reis]

End of F-35 project for US army ?.
"The exorbitant costs of the F-35 life cycle mean that US Air Force can not afford to buy as many aircraft she needs to fight and win a war today, making it up The more important the NGAD program, "said Dr. Roper, whose remarks were reported by Breaking Defense. "I think the F-35 is far from being an affordable fighting plane that we can buy wholesale," he insisted. According to him, the NGAD represents "a chance to design a more sustainable aircraft than the F-35 if, in fact, the F-35 can not reduce its cost per hour of flight. » On this point, the Government Accountability Office [Gao, the American equivalent of the Court of Auditors], did not do in the lace, in a report published in May 2020.
"The F-35 aircraft in service did not meet the standards of reliability and maintainability, suggesting that the program does not deliver aircraft at the expected quality level. In addition, it has also pointed the skidding of development costs for the next "Block 4" version of the device, which must allow it to manage drones and effectors, with a bonus, software improvements.

It is clear that the US government wants to turn the page of the F-35 without affecting the doubts of customers around the world.
(the Government Accountability Office [Gao, the American equivalent of the Court of Auditors], did not do in the lace, in a report published in May 2020 )

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-339.pdf

 

[LegionnairE]

Greek Rafale and F-35 can not change anything against Turkey

Do you have autism? serious question.

Why do you go on and on about ballistic missiles in a thread about aviation?

The F-35 is bad choice for turkish air force
The Director of Operational Tests and Evaluation of the Pentagon had again identified 871 deficiencies concerning the F-35 fighter of Lockheed-Martin, including ten of category n ° 1, that is to say that, according to the definition of the US Air Force, they can "cause death or serious injury, loss or serious damage" .

F-35A fighter jet engine wears out faster than expected .
20% of US Air Force F-35As could run out of engines by 2025, especially if no corrections are made.


According to official figures, the cost of an hour's flight on an F-35 is $ 36,000. Lockheed-Martin assured that this amount would be reduced to $ 25,000, which General Kelly said doubted. What's more, the device's availability rate is said to be 69%, which is well below the 80% demanded by the Pentagon, according to Defense News.

The F-16 "Viper" presents interesting capacities, or, at least, likely to match the needs of the US Air Force in the future while waiting for the 6 th generation aircraft
“If we have the ability to do something even more efficient for less and faster, why not? Let's not just buy off the shelf, let's take a look at something else we can build, ”General Brown told reporters.

The F35 would come over too expensive to the interview for Turkey and without much benefit in the end.

Ankara made the right choice to eject the program believe well

There's a saying in Turkey "Kedi ulaşamadığı ciğere mındar der"

It's an idiom that describes a common behavior of people trying to find faults about things that they can't get.