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Turkey's rhetorical guns trained on northern Iraq

Turkey’s top general has slammed northern Iraqi officials for “harboring terrorists” and said deputies from the pro-Kurdish party should go join the terrorist group, remarks that led the party’s leader to call for his resignation.

“Iraq now has a central government. The central government has responsibilities. They should not harbor terrorists on their own soil,” Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ said in an interview published Tuesday.

The general added that the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, has a safe haven in northern Iraq, where he said there has been an absence of authority for 26 years.

“Northern Iraq is a safe haven for the terrorist organization. There’s also logistical support. How are [PKK members] getting their food? They’re getting it from that area,” Başbuğ said.

In his interview late Monday with Uğur Dündar on private Star TV, the top general also had harsh words for the country’s pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, or BDP, saying that its deputies should “go up into the mountains” and join the PKK.

“Talking to deputies as if he can give them orders is overstepping boundaries. This is not a military post, and we are not your soldiers,” BDP leader Selahattin Demirtaş said at his parliamentary group meeting Tuesday. “[Başbuğ] must either retire, or the prime minister should dismiss him from his post.”

Saying that the top general is in a position that requires him to bring the terrorists down from the mountains, Demirtaş said: “Instead of giving us orders, you should explain yourself to the public. Why can’t you protect these young people?”

Attacks by the PKK, which is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and the European Union, have claimed the lives of 22 soldiers and two civilians in Turkey over the past three weeks.

Saying that Başbuğ is responsible for any deputies that come to harm, Demirtaş said: “He has clearly targeted us. We invite prosecutors to do their jobs.” The party leader added that BDP deputies attend funerals of PKK members out of feelings of humanity and conscience, and claimed that the alleged terrorists who died were tortured.

Negative effect on relations with US, northern Iraq

“How many casualties has Turkey seen in the past two months? This hurts all of us,” Başbuğ said in his interview with Star TV. “The existence of the PKK in northern Iraq will have a negative effect on Turkish-Iraqi relations. In a way, it will have a negative effect on Turkish-American relations too.”

Despite the lack of support from northern Iraq, the top general, whose tenure ends Aug. 30, indicated that Turkey would continue to struggle against terror on its own. Saying that the decades-long efforts to fight terrorism had left the country at a point “where words end,” Başbuğ acknowledged that Turkey is going through a sensitive period but assured the public that preventive measures had also gained importance.

When asked why Turkey had not been able to annihilate the PKK, Başbuğ responded: “We’ve neutralized 30,000 terrorists in 26 years, with an additional 10,000 surrendering or wounded. The [PKK] has approximately 6,000 members in the mountains; 30,000 divided by six equals 5,000. Mathematically, security forces have finished off the terrorist organization five times in 26 years.”

Internal division within the PKK

“The PKK is a lucky organization,” the top general said when asked how the outlawed group had managed to survive for so long. “Right as they get to their breaking point, unfortunately certain cyclical situations work in their favor.”

Public perception plays a key role, Başbuğ said. “Whenever terror decreased or diminished in Turkey, we perceived this as an end to terror and the [outlawed] organization,” he said. “When in reality, the terrorists continued their existence in the mountains; only the number of their activities declined.”

Disputes between leaders and members have been observed within the PKK, according to Başbuğ. “One group wants to continue violent acts of terror while the other group wants to continue the so-called cease-fire,” he said.

“Terrorist organizations have to show that they are powerful,” the top general added, saying that members or supporters of the PKK want to see their opinions debated. “So by being included in these discussions, you’re actually serving terror.”

Başbuğ chose not to comment on Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s comments regarding the “subcontracting” of the PKK, but said the organization is believed to have subcontracted at certain periods in the past.

Commenting on the Action Plan for the Fight against Fundamentalism, a document detailing anti-government plans allegedly prepared by Col. Dursun Çiçek, Başbuğ said the documents were “provided to a newspaper by the police.”

Asked if his term was planned as a period of military coup, the top general said: “This is a huge slander against me. I most certainly reject this.”
 
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Turkey's rhetorical guns trained on northern Iraq

Turkey’s top general has slammed northern Iraqi officials for “harboring terrorists” and said deputies from the pro-Kurdish party should go join the terrorist group, remarks that led the party’s leader to call for his resignation.

“Iraq now has a central government. The central government has responsibilities. They should not harbor terrorists on their own soil,” Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ said in an interview published Tuesday.

The general added that the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, has a safe haven in northern Iraq, where he said there has been an absence of authority for 26 years.

“Northern Iraq is a safe haven for the terrorist organization. There’s also logistical support. How are [PKK members] getting their food? They’re getting it from that area,” Başbuğ said.

In his interview late Monday with Uğur Dündar on private Star TV, the top general also had harsh words for the country’s pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, or BDP, saying that its deputies should “go up into the mountains” and join the PKK.

“Talking to deputies as if he can give them orders is overstepping boundaries. This is not a military post, and we are not your soldiers,” BDP leader Selahattin Demirtaş said at his parliamentary group meeting Tuesday. “[Başbuğ] must either retire, or the prime minister should dismiss him from his post.”

Saying that the top general is in a position that requires him to bring the terrorists down from the mountains, Demirtaş said: “Instead of giving us orders, you should explain yourself to the public. Why can’t you protect these young people?”

Attacks by the PKK, which is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and the European Union, have claimed the lives of 22 soldiers and two civilians in Turkey over the past three weeks.

Saying that Başbuğ is responsible for any deputies that come to harm, Demirtaş said: “He has clearly targeted us. We invite prosecutors to do their jobs.” The party leader added that BDP deputies attend funerals of PKK members out of feelings of humanity and conscience, and claimed that the alleged terrorists who died were tortured.

Negative effect on relations with US, northern Iraq

“How many casualties has Turkey seen in the past two months? This hurts all of us,” Başbuğ said in his interview with Star TV. “The existence of the PKK in northern Iraq will have a negative effect on Turkish-Iraqi relations. In a way, it will have a negative effect on Turkish-American relations too.”

Despite the lack of support from northern Iraq, the top general, whose tenure ends Aug. 30, indicated that Turkey would continue to struggle against terror on its own. Saying that the decades-long efforts to fight terrorism had left the country at a point “where words end,” Başbuğ acknowledged that Turkey is going through a sensitive period but assured the public that preventive measures had also gained importance.

When asked why Turkey had not been able to annihilate the PKK, Başbuğ responded: “We’ve neutralized 30,000 terrorists in 26 years, with an additional 10,000 surrendering or wounded. The [PKK] has approximately 6,000 members in the mountains; 30,000 divided by six equals 5,000. Mathematically, security forces have finished off the terrorist organization five times in 26 years.”

Internal division within the PKK

“The PKK is a lucky organization,” the top general said when asked how the outlawed group had managed to survive for so long. “Right as they get to their breaking point, unfortunately certain cyclical situations work in their favor.”

Public perception plays a key role, Başbuğ said. “Whenever terror decreased or diminished in Turkey, we perceived this as an end to terror and the [outlawed] organization,” he said. “When in reality, the terrorists continued their existence in the mountains; only the number of their activities declined.”

Disputes between leaders and members have been observed within the PKK, according to Başbuğ. “One group wants to continue violent acts of terror while the other group wants to continue the so-called cease-fire,” he said.

“Terrorist organizations have to show that they are powerful,” the top general added, saying that members or supporters of the PKK want to see their opinions debated. “So by being included in these discussions, you’re actually serving terror.”

Başbuğ chose not to comment on Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s comments regarding the “subcontracting” of the PKK, but said the organization is believed to have subcontracted at certain periods in the past.

Commenting on the Action Plan for the Fight against Fundamentalism, a document detailing anti-government plans allegedly prepared by Col. Dursun Çiçek, Başbuğ said the documents were “provided to a newspaper by the police.”

Asked if his term was planned as a period of military coup, the top general said: “This is a huge slander against me. I most certainly reject this.”
So do you reckon a possibility of a Turkish strike into sovereign Iraq? If so, what could be the consequences since United States has been mulling a pull-out?

Any likelihood for Turks to play significant role in Iraq in the near future?
 
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So do you reckon a possibility of a Turkish strike into sovereign Iraq? If so, what could be the consequences since United States has been mulling a pull-out?

Any likelihood for Turks to play significant role in Iraq in the near future?

The U.S. does not operate in this area though they would warn of such a incursion. If a full scale attack would be organized it would have to be done with the Iraqi/kurdish officials knowing. If we decided to do a surprise attack of large scale on the PKK it would result in possible clashes with Peshmarga forces which in turn would turn Northern Iraq into a complete war zone.

As far as small incursions these are done from time to time and while Iraqi/Kurdish officials are against it they let them go.


2008 Turkish incursion into northern Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was the last incursion into Iraq to hunt the PKK. There was a sharp decline after this attack as they needed time to build up. We need these kinds of incursions every now and then to cripple the PKK.
 
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PPK is an israeli proxy..Turkey should anhilate them ruthlessly!
 
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We should organize another operation into N.Iraq. Harboring terrorists is not acceptable. Barzani is intentionally doing this. Everytime we cross the border, he threatens us saying they would attack. Why haven't you attacked yet Barzani? I dare him to attack the Turkish army. I dare him. Such a prick he is.
 
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Erdogan says "ABI" (Brother) to Barzani.. He won't let em organize an operation.
 
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I support the Turkish Militaries stikes on PKK outposts in N. Iraq, this is like the Taliban hide outs in Afghanistan. Turkey has a right to send it's troops to Iraq, in their thousands to clean out the PKK.
 
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It's time for "Surgical Strikes" into northern Iraq, the PKK Scum need urgently a Lesson by TSK !
 
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It's time for "Surgical Strikes" into northern Iraq, the PKK Scum need urgently a Lesson by TSK !

I would like to see some video too. The last time TuAF video was released was in Operation Sun. I think more video needs to be made public so everyone can see how effective these strikes are. Before we do any of this though we still don't have the capability to pinpoint where exactly their bases are without the U.S.

The most we can do currently is Recon/Surveillance with Heron UAVs (till we get Sats up in space). We also need to do more precision night strikes with our LANTIRN squadrons. There are so many things we can do yet we choose not to. Just like how we always had the choice to deploy our professional core rather then conscripts to fight the PKK. We only decided to start doing this after these recent deaths. We shouldn't need people to die for us to change some stuff up.
 
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We need most urgently armed UAV for "Surgical Strikes" on their Camps in the Kandil Area, like the US do in pakistani tribal Areas. Armed UAV are more cost effective than precision Bombing by TUAF F-16, TUAF waste for this scum some expensive LGB.:tdown: And not to forget more Attack Helicopters.
 
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Well the Heron can carry 550 pounds of ordinance. The issue is do we have weapons integrated on them and if so did our operators learn how to use them. Başbuğ says they are in service and i believe him but to what extent since the Israeli trainers left.

Shouldn't we also deploy our RF-4Es they should have upgraded equipment on them for recon. TAI had upgraded them if i remember correct.
 
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