Turkey's only Friend

[HRK]

Now the issue of uighurs is there but tje west is using it against china.

Not just using it but in fact recreated it after invasion of Afghanistan as per their policy of reshaping the region, I know one or two things which are not in public knowledge.

We Pakistanis do understand this in past we have played our part in resolving the issue and also because we are also facing same situation, we all know how PTM receive fundings, we know how Baloch separatist get safe residence in Afghanistan and in western counties, we are aware about many thing.

Here I would only mention one thing which was published before 2001 (if I am not wrong in 1999 or 2000) Pakistan at that time did some sort of mediation b/w China and the Elements of East Turkistan movement having their bases in Afghanistan and was supported by Taliban regime.

The truce achieved by efforts of Pakistan remained effective for some time but after 2006-07 exactly the same time when TTP was gaining support by foreign elements and was attacking Pakistan, elements of East Turkistan was also approached and encouraged to relaunch the operations in China using Afghanistan as base. Here it is necessary to mention that the religious figure who played the important role in the mediation in past was killed in Pakistan.

East Turkistan elements not only supported and participated in terrorist attacks of TTP in Pakistan but tried to act spoiler b/w China and Pakistan for this I want to mention the killing of Chinese tourist in Northern areas of Pakistan though responsibility was claimed by one if the group of TTP

Our Turkish brothers reacts without knowing and understanding the game which is being played in this region since last two decades by extra regional powers.

A simple question to them why there was no Ughar issue on such wider scale for almost full decades of 90s and 2000s, why now ???

Im sure as hell not here to troll, i did point out to support from Pakistan to another Turkish member just yesterday but those seem to be gone for off topic post, i wouldnt have done that if a was preparing some kind of a ''trap''.

I just stated my feelings after a members asked about it, i knew it would not be very popular as expected, i just wanna state that there is no ill intention behind my posting and also no offence.

Anyways, this time its really the last post from me in this thread.

I never said that trap was set by you, sometimes action of a person act as trap for himself
Regards

 

[Ritual]

Since when ''a statement by the Chinese Foreign Ministry'' is taken into consideration as any country's official remark? In other words, Should Zimbabwe ask China for the remarks of Pakistan over climate change in the world?

You are acutally exposing your true color, keep doing it, thanks.

Btw, Dear mods, apparently you delete some posts of mine and send warning just because they seek the interests of Turkey not Pakistan(what an irony); but all i do is to repeat what has been done by the officials, nothing extra added by me; so please revenge your furstration on them; deleting or warning will not solve the facts created by others, only vocalized by me.

it’s a shame you didn’t even read the 3 articles I posted, where it is pretty clear if not supporting China, Kazakhstan has done little if anything to condemn its close trading partner & neighbour over the Uighurs.

And can you show me a single statement by the leader of Tajikistan, Kygrzstan or even Uzbekistan where they openly condemned China over Xinjiang? Or is it only Pakistan you are focused on?

 

[litman]

Northern Cyprus also stated its Support btw.


I will be honest with you, i started thinking differently about Pakistan once i saw how Pakistani state and many Pakistanis on the forum were helping China in covering up the facts about the situation of the Uyghurs in China.

Not that i expected any support in the issue to begin with but seeing how you guys were even helping them in covering up the attrocities was the red line for me.

In short i neither expect support nor a thanks from Pakistan anymore, no offence but this is my honest opinion, i hope this answers the question in your mind.

if you are condemning the attitude of pakistanis towards uyghurs then it means you are talking about principles and if you are talking about islamic principles then stop supporting your country against syria. thousands of innocent muslims will be killed at the hands of your forces along with the terrorists.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

it’s a shame you didn’t even read the 3 articles I posted, where it is pretty clear if not supporting China, Kazakhstan has done little if anything to condemn its close trading partner & neighbour over the Uighurs.

And can you show me a single statement by the leader of Tajikistan, Kygrzstan or even Uzbekistan where they openly condemned China over Xinjiang? Or is it only Pakistan you are focused on?

Do you really defend your ''Ummah, Muslim Brotherhood'' rhetoric over third parties? If so, then covertly self-confession already, nothing to debate over.

Why you cheer up Erdoğan for weeks with slogans ''Ummah, Muslim Brotherhood'' is expected from Pakistan in the Peace Spring operation; but nothing.

East Turkestan is another case.

Turks or Turkey have not come so far by the mercy of others, but blood, hard work and intelligence; therefore the map represents nothing but insecurity complex of some.

 

[TNT]

Not just using it but in fact recreated it after invasion of Afghanistan as per their policy of reshaping the region, I know one or two things which are not in public knowledge.

We Pakistanis do understand this in past we have played our part in resolving the issue and also because we are also facing same situation, we all know how PTM receive fundings, we know how Baloch separatist get safe residence in Afghanistan and in western counties, we are aware about many thing.

Here I would only mention one thing which was published before 2001 (if I am not wrong in 1999 or 2000) Pakistan at that time did some sort of mediation b/w China and the Elements of East Turkistan movement having their bases in Afghanistan and was supported by Taliban regime.

The truce achieved by efforts of Pakistan remained effective for some time but after 2006-07 exactly the same time when TTP was gaining support by foreign elements and was attacking Pakistan, elements of East Turkistan was also approached and encouraged to relaunch the operations in China using Afghanistan as base. Here it is necessary to mention that the religious figure who played the important role in the mediation in past was killed in Pakistan.

East Turkistan elements not only supported and participated in terrorist attacks of TTP in Pakistan but tried to act spoiler b/w China and Pakistan for this I want to mention the killing of Chinese tourist in Northern areas of Pakistan though responsibility was claimed by one if the group of TTP

Our Turkish brothers reacts without knowing and understanding the game which is being played in this region since last two decades by extra regional powers.

A simple question to them why there was no Ughar issue on such wider scale for almost full decades of 90s and 2000s, why now ???


I never said that trap was set by you, sometimes action of a person act as trap for himself
Regards

You explained it very well for those who can understand. Also need to mention that Pakistan retracted much support from a would be ally Myanmar due to rohingya and their hatred for muslims.
I also believe there must be genuine grievences of the uighur muslims as china is a communist state but convincing china to help its minority can only be done by Pakistan, as china might only listen to Pakistan. Imagine there is an issue with a close friend, would u talk to him privately abt it or make it a big issue. We would make sure muslims in china are given religious rights, but will talk privately our own way n not let it be used by enemies of china.

 

[Max]

Stay greatful to allies, support allies as much as you can but always play victim, always feel alone and surrounded by enemies. Depend on yourself only. We don't even have to fake it bcoz we are literally surrounded by threats.

Just look how USA backstabbed Kurds yesterday, do you think our allies can't do this with us.. we have to come out of this mentality of friendship and brotherhood. Take advantage of alliances as much as you can. Learn good things and teach them something you know but never solely depend on them.

 

[Crusher]

it’s a shame you didn’t even read the 3 articles I posted, where it is pretty clear if not supporting China, Kazakhstan has done little if anything to condemn its close trading partner & neighbour over the Uighurs.

And can you show me a single statement by the leader of Tajikistan, Kygrzstan or even Uzbekistan where they openly condemned China over Xinjiang? Or is it only Pakistan you are focused on?

Even though Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz are racially far more closer to Uigyurs than the people living in Turkey. I really don't understand this "pan turkism" coming from a middle eastern country which shares probably less than 10% blood with Kazakhs, Uzbeks, kyrgyz and Uigyurs. Genetically speaking even we the Pakistanis are racially more closer to Uigyurs than the people of Turkey due to deep genetic sharing between central asia and north west south asia, yet we never give a f*** based on these things. I think people in Turkey don't really understand the "mindset" of the people in south central asia, here no one gives a f*** about others based on sharing a "language family" .

 

[T-123456]

A simple question to them why there was no Ughar issue on such wider scale for almost full decades of 90s and 2000s, why now ???

You know exactly why,in those days none of the Uyghurs fell in the hand of the Saudis(your BFF's),its not a custom for Uyghur women to wear burqas,they never did,they had colourfull clothing.Only now you see some dressed like black ninja's.Thanks to your Saudi friends,The million plus Uyghurs in the concentration camps is China's way of taking care the problem(as if they are all radicals).We know this forum has become Islamist(Saudi UAE lakeys) with unconditional support for communist China(what a combo),so we stay away.
Me answering your question is only because i was informed about your ''trap'' comment,we dont trap people,no sneaky backstabbers here.

 

[shah_123]

What about talking Turkish opression against kurds before talking about Uyghurs.

Before making such stupid comments (inspired by western propaganda) , better know the political landscape of Turkey --- In the last elections, the Kurd region mostly voted Akp party, so how come Kurds voted those who are oppressing them?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

You know exactly why,in those days none of the Uyghurs fell in the hand of the Saudis(your BFF's),its not a custom for Uyghur women to wear burqas,they never did,they had colourfull clothing.Only now you see some dressed like black ninja's.Thanks to your Saudi friends,The million plus Uyghurs in the concentration camps is China's way of taking care the problem(as if they are all radicals).We know this forum has become Islamist(Saudi UAE lakeys) with unconditional support for communist China(what a combo),so we stay away.
Me answering your question is only because i was informed about your ''trap'' comment,we dont trap people,no sneaky backstabbers here.

I think you just walked right into that trap.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

If you mention the 'Islamic' republic of Pakistan siding with China in de/islamization-identification a.k.a sinisization against the Muslim Turks in East Turkestan or silence to the Peace Spring operation despite the Erdoğan's open/direct/official support in UNGA to Kashmir against India; that means to fall into trap against the ''Ummah and Muslim Brothers'', right?

Genius!

Btw, The only friend Turks have are the Turks.

 

[mete]

Pakistani brothers, when I see Pakistan in a fight I support it. I know Pakistan does the same. This is %99 of our population.

When thing got hot about Kashmir incident I wanted to know what my friends think. All of them supported Pakistan. Most of them know nothing about Kashmir and they can not even point it on map. But if it is Pakistan, generally we do not even care if we know the details. We see Pakistan, we show our support without question.

Today we saw again it is mutual. Thank you brothers.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Before making such stupid comments (inspired by western propaganda) , better know the political landscape of Turkey --- In the last elections, the Kurd region mostly voted Akp party, so how come Kurds voted those who are oppressing them?

I was replying to a Turkish poster. First see his post before replying me

Don't fall in trap

 

[HRK]

You know exactly why,in those days none of the Uyghurs fell in the hand of the Saudis(your BFF's),

Again your comment about the issue is as clueless it could be, do you know most of Uyghur population is follower of which sect ..... ????

They certainly don't follow the same sect as the Saudis

Now my dear for your comment about our relation with KSA, I want to know how is it different than Turkey's relation with Qatar they are also the follower of the same sect as followed by KSA and they also get accused for the same wrong doings which are attributed to KSA ???

How is it any different ?

Third before to accuse KSA for Uayghar issue plz note East Turkistan Movement after fall of Kabul to USA used Northern Afghanistan as base camp for their activities which again not only largely follower of different sect than the sect followed by KSA but is politically and socially influenced by India, Iran and USA.

So without knowing the nitty gritty or the detail of regional political landscape and without developing the understanding of the great game which is being played in the region you people will remain clueless about developments in this region.

In this region multiplayer game is in progress in which all players are playing against and for each other US and their installed Afghan regime support separatist and insurgent movements not only against China but against Pakistan as well.

Plz note Uyghur issue is the result of US policies in Afghanistan, its the same game they played in Syria by organizing and supporting Kurds against Turkey.

Afghanistan is the Heart of Central, South, Western Asia, whosoever control Afghanistan can cast influence in all 3 regions and regions connected with them

Before to end my reply to this part of your post I want to mention that yesterday I watched a video shared by a Turkish member in a post (visit here) in which he was clamming a person who appear in the video at 0.50 sec as Chinese Volunteer (I insist you to watch the video), first of all it should raise alarms in mind on two grounds

1- What a Chinese looking person is doing with Kurds who are supported and trained by USA and her allies ?? Is it a normal thing ???

2- How he came in contact with Kurds and how he reached there ??

What could be the possible common connection ?

For you and for other Turkish brothers plz note: He is not a Han Chinese and in most probability some one from his roots in western China "Xinjiang Region", so plz connect the dots, connect the dots and try to make a possible sketch of the unseen player in both region, the player of double game no one want to name.

@cabatli_53 bro sorry that I am tagging you again this is important for you and for other Turkish brothers to note, I know whatever I am saying will be brush asides by a segment of Turkish community under the believe that I being a Pakistani trying to hide the doings of China, my only purpose to tag you is not pass any message to Turkish community but only to ask you to urge them to see prove of double game by themselves and try to answers simple questions

Do they think US and West as whole sincere towards Turkey ?

If the majority's answer is YES then I have no issue to believe that west and US are sincere towards Uyghur community of China as well

But​

If their answer is NO then how could they believe that west and US as a whole is sincere for cause of Uyghur community and they are not using them as pawn in their great game.

I am done at this issue

Me answering your question is only because i was informed about your ''trap'' comment,we dont trap people,no sneaky backstabbers here.

Have you read my reply to his post ?

If yes than there is no reason to act as so touchy touchy now simply pass my reply to his post to him

Secondly I never assumed Turkish member and Turkish Nation as a back stabber and I can say this on behalf of all of my country as well

Third and last thing we have a couplet in Urdu literature the loos translation of it will be

I am different then all other and truly Unique
If you want understand me, read me in my language
Don't accept what other says about me

I am quoting this couplet because
I have a felling that a segments of Turkish community have a certain understanding and assumptions about us based on right or wrong reports they read about us and about this region in western media, they have right to believe whatever they want but it does not mean their assumption or understanding is about us is right

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Again your comment about the issue is as clueless it could be, do you know most of Uyghur population is follower of which sect ..... ????

They certainly don't follow the same sect as the Saudis

Now my dear for your comment about our relation with KSA, I want to know how is it different than Turkey's relation with Qatar they are also the follower of the same sect as followed by KSA and they also get accused for the same wrong doings which are attributed to KSA ???

How is it any different ?

Third before to accuse KSA for Uayghar issue plz note East Turkistan Movement after fall of Kabul to USA used Northern Afghanistan as base camp for their activities which again not only largely follower of different sect than the sect followed by KSA but is politically and socially influenced by India, Iran and USA.

So without knowing the nitty gritty or the detail of regional political landscape and without developing the understanding of the great game which is being played in the region you people will remain clueless about developments in this region.

In this region multiplayer game is in progress in which all players are playing against and for each other US and their installed Afghan regime support separatist and insurgent movements not only against China but against Pakistan as well.

Plz note Uyghur issue is the result of US policies in Afghanistan, its the same game they played in Syria by organizing and supporting Kurds against Turkey.

Afghanistan is the Heart of Central, South, Western Asia, whosoever control Afghanistan can cast influence in all 3 regions and regions connected with them

Before to end my reply to this part of your post I want to mention that yesterday I watched a video shared by a Turkish member in a post (visit here) in which he was clamming a person who appear in the video at 0.50 sec as Chinese Volunteer (I insist you to watch the video), first of all it should raise alarms in mind on two grounds

1- What a Chinese looking person is doing with Kurds who are supported and trained by USA and her allies ?? Is it a normal thing ???

2- How he came in contact with Kurds and how he reached there ??

What could be the possible common connection ?

For you and for other Turkish brothers plz note: He is not a Han Chinese and in most probability some one from his roots in western China "Xinjiang Region", so plz connect the dots, connect the dots and try to make a possible sketch of the unseen player in both region, the player of double game no one want to name.

@cabatli_53 bro sorry that I am tagging you again this is important for you and for other Turkish brothers to note, I know whatever I am saying will be brush asides by a segment of Turkish community under the believe that I being a Pakistani trying to hide the doings of China, my only purpose to tag you is not pass any message to Turkish community but only to ask you to urge them to see prove of double game by themselves and try to answers simple questions

Do they think US and West as whole sincere towards Turkey ?

If the majority's answer is YES then I have no issue to believe that west and US are sincere towards Uyghur community of China as well

But​

If their answer is NO then how could they believe that west and US as a whole is sincere for cause of Uyghur community and they are not using them as pawn in their great game.

I am done at this issue


Have you read my reply to his post ?

If yes than there is no reason to act as so touchy touchy now simply pass my reply to his post to him

Secondly I never assumed Turkish member and Turkish Nation as a back stabber and I can say this on behalf of all of my country as well

Third and last thing we have a couplet in Urdu literature the loos translation of it will be

I am different then all other and truly Unique
If you want understand me, read me in my language
Don't accept what other says about me

I am quoting this couplet because
I have a felling that a segments of Turkish community have a certain understanding and assumptions about us based on right or wrong reports they read about us and about this region in western media, they have right to believe whatever they want but it does not mean their assumption or understanding is about us is right

After all this time, in ki psyche mujai abi b hairan kar daiti hai. In kai saath b yeh sab kuch ho rha hai, is kai bawajood samajnai ki bajai aur defensive ho jatai hai yeh loog. yeh sirf aik do loog is tarah nhi sochtai, jitni meri in kai saath interaction hui, its kinda of a collective mindset. Zara b bardasht nhi aur na kuch tanqeed ya muhtalif nazaria sunanai ki saqat in main. Khud jo marzi rai ho even that based on wrong perceptions, unable to correct themselves. Prime Example yeh secular islamist guy. is kai saath kafi dair pehlai behas hui turks in Pakistan. Intihai darjai ka nasal parast. After repeatedly correcting, i gave up.