Turkey's Economy Keeps Expanding ( Despite All )

[Götterdämmerung]

I argue you did achived all because of money. You argue you have money because you achived the pinnacle of science, tech and human endeavour. It is like asking "which is came first chicken or the egg?" So which is true?

Besides my observations through life, i have seen charts which show countries with their IQ and GDP. Higher the GDP higher the IQ because better education, that simple.

I claim France robbed it's colonies and enemies then accumulated income. Used income for investing on education and science, in return achived a better place in world arena.

Still where ever resourse or money is there are your or your allies soldiers. It is all about buisness, right?

I am not saying you arent wining. You are wining because there are no brakes among your tools called moralism.

Internet is the perfect place to see that i am right. There are many places where you can state your opinion without consequenses. All i see too many of you very vocal about your negative opinions of the people you see low. You just dont act on that opinions like your goverments do.

When you act: see WW1, WW2, ?WW3?

Although I'm far from ever to be a friend of Erdogan, I would like to remind you, that you are dealing with a Langley shill who pretends to be speaking for the French. Langley, aka derin devlet is frustrated that Erdogan does not comply, in fact, all their operations are failing left and right. They have become so desperate that they even send an, albeit third class, shill to a Pakistani forum to sow discord.

 

[The Eagle]

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[mehmeTcc]

I argue you did achived all because of money. You argue you have money because you achived the pinnacle of science, tech and human endeavour. It is like asking "which is came first chicken or the egg?" So which is true?

China and India were larger economies compared to the West until the 19th century. It is not like West was rich so they can fund science and arts in their country, they become what they are today by encouraging science. Do you know why Turkey is not a member of CERN? Because govt refused to pay 20m for it.
So France robbed Africa, by means of superior firepower and technical knowledge. It is not like we didn't try to do that too, we just lacked the expertise they had in that field. With some exceptions, our society weren't capable to produce minds like Lavoisier and Cuvier, so we didn't understand the importance of those geographies. Late Ottoman Empire and the republic succeeded in some fields, as you know the mülkiye, tıbbiye and harbiye were responsible to produce teachers, doctors, engineers and officers for the state. This is why some random guy in Gaziantep University can do the first face transplant, (or sth like that, not a fan of medical studies) because the tıbbiye is well-established in our country. Today, we are blindly trying to abolish these institutions. Mahmud II is turning on his grave right now.

Besides my observations through life, i have seen charts which show countries with their IQ and GDP. Higher the GDP higher the IQ because better education, that simple.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12158480-why-nations-fail

 

[HannibalBarca]

China and India were larger economies compared to the West until the 19th century. It is not like West was rich so they can fund science and arts in their country, they become what they are today by encouraging science. Do you know why Turkey is not a member of CERN? Because govt refused to pay 20m for it.
So France robbed Africa, by means of superior firepower and technical knowledge. It is not like we didn't try to do that too, we just lacked the expertise they had in that field. With some exceptions, our society weren't capable to produce minds like Lavoisier and Cuvier, so we didn't understand the importance of those geographies. Late Ottoman Empire and the republic succeeded in some fields, as you know the mülkiye, tıbbiye and harbiye were responsible to produce teachers, doctors, engineers and officers for the state. This is why some random guy in Gaziantep University can do the first face transplant, (or sth like that, not a fan of medical studies) because the tıbbiye is well-established in our country. Today, we are blindly trying to abolish these institutions. Mahmud II is turning on his grave right now.



http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12158480-why-nations-fail

Islamic Empire rise thanks to science/iconquest , they fall by giving up on science and living with the gold they won back then...

 

[Star Expedition]

Turkey's location and population decides that he should play a main role in world stage

 

[BARS]

Qatar and North Korea are two examples. One has high IQ, low income and the other has high income, low IQ. It happens.

Turkey was a colonial power for centuries, why couldn't Turkey do the same? Arabs say Turks only improved Istanbul and Anatolia leaving North Africa and Syria, Hejaz, Sudan barren. So what is truth about it?

Switzerland never robbed anybody its still richer than France, so is Luxembourg or Liechtenstein. It's not an issue, really, if you were a colonial power or not so long as you have peace and business acumen.

Exceptions wont break the whole structure. For North Korea example, i wonder how much embargo France can endure and still be prosperous?

Turkey isnt exist for centuries but Turks do if you mean that. We never werent colonial, we came and intermingled with locals. Most of our investments in the Ottoman era was to the lands that is in the European continent, mainly Balkans. Turkey had a bad start for a newborn country because Anatolia was really a very big village because lack of invesments.

For not investing to Arabs, that is the the propaganda used for causing them to revolt against Ottomans, they invented many methods to avoid taxetion, areas dencely populated did get investments. Railways, clocktowers, buildings first thing you blow up when you (Brits, Frenchs) occupy territory during The Great War.

Ask Switzs where the money's of the holocousted Jews went?

China and India were larger economies compared to the West until the 19th century. It is not like West was rich so they can fund science and arts in their country, they become what they are today by encouraging science. Do you know why Turkey is not a member of CERN? Because govt refused to pay 20m for it.
So France robbed Africa, by means of superior firepower and technical knowledge. It is not like we didn't try to do that too, we just lacked the expertise they had in that field. With some exceptions, our society weren't capable to produce minds like Lavoisier and Cuvier, so we didn't understand the importance of those geographies. Late Ottoman Empire and the republic succeeded in some fields, as you know the mülkiye, tıbbiye and harbiye were responsible to produce teachers, doctors, engineers and officers for the state. This is why some random guy in Gaziantep University can do the first face transplant, (or sth like that, not a fan of medical studies) because the tıbbiye is well-established in our country. Today, we are blindly trying to abolish these institutions. Mahmud II is turning on his grave right now.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12158480-why-nations-fail

I dont mean how rich the country is, i mean how rich is the each induvidual in that country is. While you are hungry you cant encourage science. You first guench your hunger then if you still have money you encourage science. Please give us your examples of "we trying to rob Africa but failing because lack of expertise". Up until modern times most of our scientists were self educated soldiers.

Islamic Empire rise thanks to science/iconquest , they fall by giving up on science and living with the gold they won back then...

They didnt fall suddenly because giving up on science: Mongols did cause the fall of Islamic Empire; books burned, educated people massacred, whealth looted.

 

[Baybars Han]

I used to go to Turkey many years ago, and believe me it was in dire straits. Nothing impressive.
A Pakistani military attache wrote about the country in the 1950's ; it was behind Pakistan.

I visited a Turkey a few years ago and I couldn't believe the change. Massive skyscrapers, fantastic roads and metro systems. Since Erdogan came to power the economy has gone on Turbo charge. It is a totally different country. Look at all the figures, I believe its long term growth rate is on par with China. You have to be blind not to see that.

1. I dont think there is no country on earth that didnt develop in 15 years.
2. You had to come to Turkey in 1987 and then in 2002, and then in 2017 to be able to compare. I bet if someone in 2002 it was alot more developed than 1987.
3.Your talking about 1950. In 1952 after Korean war, SK was nothing. Today Samsung can make 10nm chips, they have so many world brands in the world from electronics to automotive.
4. We lost alot of years after Ataturk died from like 1938 to 1970s it was very bad development. If Ataturk lives atleast 10 more years today would have been aloooot differnt.

just ignore this bayboş han. He is one supporter of Gezi events when the interest was lowest ever (4.6). Everyone knows USDTRY climbed to all times highs after 17-25 Aralık.
These little boys are responsible for anything they are blaming Erdoğan. Still being on the boat of enemy

He is still wining about what he was instilled at 17-25 Aralık Feto plot. He must be a member of Feto organization and should be prosecuted.



Yes we differentiate very well.. The assault actually began in 2013 with Gezi protests and then continued with foreign rating agencies, then 17-25 december..All related to Feto terreur organization. Lasted until 15 june.

HAahahah. Gezi you know. I wasnt even a member here then and feto i dont need to say anythign about that. IT was your beloved leader crying oh feto please come i will like your feet come back on live tv.

 

[jamal18]

1. I dont think there is no country on earth that didnt develop in 15 years.
2. You had to come to Turkey in 1987 and then in 2002, and then in 2017 to be able to compare. I bet if someone in 2002 it was alot more developed than 1987.
3.Your talking about 1950. In 1952 after Korean war, SK was nothing. Today Samsung can make 10nm chips, they have so many world brands in the world from electronics to automotive.
4. We lost alot of years after Ataturk died from like 1938 to 1970s it was very bad development. If Ataturk lives atleast 10 more years today would have been aloooot differnt.



HAahahah. Gezi you know. I wasnt even a member here then and feto i dont need to say anythign about that. IT was your beloved leader crying oh feto please come i will like your feet come back on live tv.

Yes, countries have developed, but not on Turkeys scale. Turkey is a world leader in the rate of growth. One of the highest rates of growth in the world for many years, mainly since Erdogan took power. As I said, on par with China.

 

[Baybars Han]

Yes, countries have developed, but not on Turkeys scale. Turkey is a world leader in the rate of growth. One of the highest rates of growth in the world for many years, mainly since Erdogan took power. As I said, on par with China.

One thing I hate the most in the world is when people who talk like they know something when they dont. This is not something thats opinionated. 1+1=2 simple. Statistics below on erdogan era. We are now near China in growth in last 15 years.

It's not true.

France reached the pinnacle of science , technology and human endeavour thanks to its own efforts, thanks to efforts of its geniuses. True, France was a colonial power, so was Turkey, Russia, China, India, America, Britain, Japan or any middle or big sized country that wants to be militarily powerful today or in the past.

I never insulted anybody. I stated facts.

If I say, Indian IQ is 76 and Chinese are copycats, these are not insults. These are facts.

It's the same as saying Africa is poorer than China and China is poorer than Europe.

Or the same as saying Russia is bigger than Liechtenstein and Australia is bigger than Papua New Guinea in area.

These are simple facts.

Bar last 300 years, france is a weak insignificant country, even at its height it got crushed like a wasp and it surrender to be saved by uk.


Turks defeated combined Crusades more than anyone in history, this includes combined powers of europe, at times while fighting Ilkhanate Mongols too. That is something nobody in history has done or could do.

And today france is nothing special. You are talking as if you are a super power, your paris is a dirty ghetto town that nobody in their right mind would go again and probably dont.

 

[anatolia]

Turkey is not even close to any nation in the EU...

compare them to similar sized EU nations with roughtly ~80million citizen
means Germany

GDP (PPP)
Germany $4.0trillion
Turley $1.7trillion
GDP per captiva (PPP)
Germany $48.500
Turkey $22.100
workforce
Germany 43.5million
Turkey 30.2million
unemployment rate
Germany 3.9%
Turkey 11.8%
Exports (2016)
Germany $1.5trillion
Turkey $150billion
credit rating
Germany AAA+ with stable outlook
Turkey BBB with negative outlook
Average gross salary
Germany $47.000
Turkey $12.000
GPD groth by $
Germany $76trillion (+1.9%)
Turkey $50trillion (+2.9%)
inflation
Germany 0,5%
Turkey 10.13%
main export partners
Germany: 1. USA, 2. France, 3. UK
Turkey: 1. Germany, 2. UK, 3. Iraq
main import partners
Germany: 1. The Neatherlands, 2. France, 3. China
Turkey: 1. China, 2. Germany, 3. Russia

Turkey is not in the top50 of highly developt countrys
Turkey is not in the top50 of human development index (HDI) 72th place
Turkey is not listed in the world bank 73 nation with high income economies
Turkey is not listed in the IMF 39 advance economies
Turkey is not listed as a member of the 22 nation Paris Club

Turkey is far away from first world standarts.... next to booming Istambul there are to many poorly developt parts in Turkey

go to bulgaria .they would even steal your ditty sockscomon man i travel alot ove easter european country like romania poland,czeck republic.even smallar baltic states is no different than Turkey.once you go out of main hup of those countries then you would see poor people in old soviet buildings..

Why don't you use real arguments to counter what Baybars write ?

ask him first that questionhe does not say real thing just gossip.Aregular marksist in Turkey

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Exceptions wont break the whole structure. For North Korea example, i wonder how much embargo France can endure and still be prosperous?

Turkey isnt exist for centuries but Turks do if you mean that. We never werent colonial, we came and intermingled with locals. Most of our investments in the Ottoman era was to the lands that is in the European continent, mainly Balkans. Turkey had a bad start for a newborn country because Anatolia was really a very big village because lack of invesments.

For not investing to Arabs, that is the the propaganda used for causing them to revolt against Ottomans, they invented many methods to avoid taxetion, areas dencely populated did get investments. Railways, clocktowers, buildings first thing you blow up when you (Brits, Frenchs) occupy territory during The Great War.

Ask Switzs where the money's of the holocousted Jews went?

It's not like that at all.

Asian Tigers (Korea, Singapour, Taiwan, Hong Kong) were poor 5 decades ago, they still had high IQ, North Korea is poor today, it still has high IQ. European populations around the world also has high IQ no matter if it is in Europe or Africa or America or Australia.

But other populations do not have high IQ.

Qatar, Kuwait, Libya, Dubai they are/were rich but not high IQ. It's a big difference.

Question about Turkish colonialism is best answered by Arabs and Armenians, maybe Kurds also.

@azzo @Sargon of Akkad @Syrian Lion

Switzerland is extremely advanced in both science and technology, I would say the most advanced country in science and technology, per capita .

Jewish money has little to do with Swiss progress and capabilities.

In some areas, Switzerland is the world leader.

 

[anatolia]

Atleast 1 billion dollars.

If we cut the tap on dictators spending spree we can probably save atleast 3-4 billion a year.

Erdoğan has like 60 advisors. They get like 40.000tl each month.

He increases ministers in like 2010 to like 20+, probably most in the world. Every minister has cars worth 500,000tl.

He built a palace for like 1 billion.

He made his son a billionaire.

he has 23 adviser. each make 9000tl every month..palace is not belong to Erdogan but Turkiye Cumhuriyeti..
before Akp
really do you care Turkey? do you know how much money cem uzan ,demirel bank other banks Stole from Turkey? read this http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/batik-bankalarin-yuku-55-milyar-dolar-38567830. it is fucking 55 billion dolar..
do you really care your country? do you know what happened 19-21 subat criss? banks (most them are foreigner bank) made 5 billion dollars in one night.it means They stoled 5 billion dollars from us in one night!

 

[BARS]

It's not like that at all.

Asian Tigers (Korea, Singapour, Taiwan, Hong Kong) were poor 5 decades ago, they still had high IQ, North Korea is poor today, it still has high IQ. European populations around the world also has high IQ no matter if it is in Europe or Africa or America or Australia.

But other populations do not have high IQ.

Qatar, Kuwait, Libya, Dubai they are/were rich but not high IQ. It's a big difference.

Question about Turkish colonialism is best answered by Arabs and Armenians, maybe Kurds also.

@azzo @Sargon of Akkad @Syrian Lion

Switzerland is extremely advanced in both science and technology, I would say the most advanced country in science and technology, per capita .

Jewish money has little to do with Swiss progress and capabilities.

In some areas, Switzerland is the world leader.

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Genetics you say?
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Yeah let's ask Turks own history to people whom have a negative opinion of them.
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With 57% of its researchers coming from other countries, Switzerland is the country with the world highest proportion of foreign researchers. I wonder why they comed to Switzerland, money?

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Genetics you say?

Yeah let's ask Turks own history to people whom have a negative opinion of them.

With 57% of its researchers coming from other countries, Switzerland is the country with the world highest proportion of foreign researchers. I wonder why they comed to Switzerland, money?

Qatar also has money.

Where does this number come from? Oh a survey of scientists in four fields only. I am sure you never bothered to check the Wiki link.



Have you heard of Swiss leadership in MEM, precision engineering and a host of other industries?

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05809

In Switzerland, manufacturing output per head was $11,600 in 2014, the highest in the world by a considerable margin.

 

[BARS]

Qatar also has money.

Where does this number come from? Oh a survey of scientists in four fields only. I am sure you never bothered to check the Wiki link.



Have you heard of Swiss leadership in MEM, precision engineering and a host of other industries?

I am in a GMT +3 zone and there isnt any endurance left in me for today, going to bed. Meanwhile you give your number about subject you decided to mainly focus on. I have no idea about rest, dont want to know.