Turkey's Economy Keeps Expanding ( Despite All )

[Saithan]

No one is denying that AKP managed to do well for the first 8-10 years (2002-2010/2012). But you have to be able to differentiate. You have to be able to see what's happening now.

You can't close your eyes and pretend that everything is good. TBH I know some "cahil" (ignorant/illiterate) people and they're good family friends. When you hear these old people talk, You'll think how can they be so gullible. how can they have blind faith ? And the funny thing is, one of these people said "well, he's a good muslim we should vote on him. He won't screw us over like those politician in the past who drink alcohol."

I was pretty shocked at how shallow they think, how shortsighted they are. How can a country ever develope when the population are as narrowminded as that ?

Afterwards I pointed out how RTE and AKP worked with Fetullah Gülen and pointed out she might as well draw a line somewhere because Feto is also a good muslim according to her.

Which made her think twice, but I could see how she deviated and held on to her first statement about voting on RTE. It was too complicated for her and she didn't want to think bad things about a muslim who she supported. People like her are sheep, they follow the shepherd.

With regards to lending money to buy a house, I assume your brother is from Europe, so the inflation and the raped turkish liras low value is definitely good for a European Turk. Who can buy an apartment much cheaper because the value of the turkish lira has decreased so much.

People are basically greedy, as long as they don't have to pay the price of borrowing money they'll be satisfied. It's like the turkish saying "beni isirmayan yilan bin yil yasasin" (the snake that doesn't bite me may live for a 1000 years). If Turkey has to pay 8% interest to borrow 100.000 USD, why should the citizen pay any less ? Who is going to cover the cost if not the person who borrows the money ? The remaining 80 mio. citizens ?

 

[Successwill]

just ignore this bayboş han. He is one supporter of Gezi events when the interest was lowest ever (4.6). Everyone knows USDTRY climbed to all times highs after 17-25 Aralık.
These little boys are responsible for anything they are blaming Erdoğan. Still being on the boat of enemy

He is still wining about what he was instilled at 17-25 Aralık Feto plot. He must be a member of Feto organization and should be prosecuted.

No one is denying that AKP managed to do well for the first 8-10 years (2002-2010/2012). But you have to be able to differentiate. You have to be able to see what's happening now.

Yes we differentiate very well.. The assault actually began in 2013 with Gezi protests and then continued with foreign rating agencies, then 17-25 december..All related to Feto terreur organization. Lasted until 15 june.

 

[Georg]

Source?

The number I used was from October 2016 because it was the quickest I found for both country... u see at the moment the unemployment rate rockets into the sky with currently 12.7% (3-2017)

cant post a link because I am new here but simple go to Tradingeconomics there u finde tons of base data which are not so nice for Turkey..

 

[BARS]

The number I used was from October 2016 because it was the quickest I found for both country... u see at the moment the unemployment rate rockets into the sky with currently 12.7% (3-2017)

cant post a link because I am new here but simple go to Tradingeconomics there u finde tons of base data which are not so nice for Turkey..

Although i do oppose AKP-Tayyip goverment, there maybe another reason for unemployment (not the entire reason but the unemployment icreasing factor):

Because goverment promised that they will lower unemployment rates they promised they would pay some of the salary people should get. So capitalistic employers started firing people from their jobs which is smart thing to do for maximizing their profits. When they employ new and more skilled workers according to their requirements they will also benefit from paying less to their workers because goverment would be paying a portion of the salaries.

 

[Deliorman]

just ignore this bayboş han. He is one supporter of Gezi events when the interest was lowest ever (4.6). Everyone knows USDTRY climbed to all times highs after 17-25 Aralık.
These little boys are responsible for anything they are blaming Erdoğan. Still being on the boat of enemy

He is still wining about what he was instilled at 17-25 Aralık Feto plot. He must be a member of Feto organization and should be prosecuted.



Yes we differentiate very well.. The assault actually began in 2013 with Gezi protests and then continued with foreign rating agencies, then 17-25 december..All related to Feto terreur organization. Lasted until 15 june.

Just chill... You probably forgot that Erdo was a bestfriend with Gulen- at that time you were probably happy about it. Now all you guys do is just bark how evil he was, you see Feto everywhere, even in chocolate bar commercials on TV.
A lot of things Baybars says are true and he is right for one thing- too much money of your pockets are being spent on things which are not necessary... only to those who need to feed their egos. Expensive cars, huge palaces, hundreds of people who are getting enormous salaries for doing nothing... and more, and more. Those things cost billions to buy or build and millions to maintain. But I guess you actually believe that Erdogan, his family and those around him are not corrupt at all and everything they are doing is for your well being too, right...? Like the old person Saithan was talking about.

ps I guess you are one of those people who were talking about how the Turkish economy was dying when the Lira lost 3% of it's value during the Gezi protests but is believing that it is thriving now when it lost 40% of it in a matter of months. One of those who were happy that Turkey is going to be an EU member soon when Erdogan was on a honey moon with the Westerners and now call them all NAZIS.

 

[Georg]

Although i do oppose AKP-Tayyip goverment, there maybe another reason for unemployment (not the entire reason but the unemployment icreasing factor):

Because goverment promised that they will lower unemployment rates they promised they would pay some of the salary people should get. So capitalistic employers started firing people from their jobs which is smart thing to do for maximizing their profits. When they employ new and more skilled workers according to their requirements they will also benefit from paying less to their workers because goverment would be paying a portion of the salaries.

I am sorry to say that but the whole economie of a nation is a refelction of the government work... no matter what nation the governemt makes the rulebook and the economie plays inside this rules..if you have capitalistic employers who fire and employ people like they want it is not their fault..it is the fault of the government to allow such behaivor ... so at the end it is the government... the only and realy only thing the government cant change are seasonal changes because of weather... for example more tourists in summer than winter so more employees needed in hotels and tourist areas... but that counts for every country... in Germany the wintertime mostly stops all outdoor construction works... a mild winter with early warm phase has impact on unemployment rate... BUT all other reasons could be regulated by the government ... Germany had a high unemployment rate from the late 1990´s till 2005 of over 4million up to 4.8million in 2005... they made changes and reforms to correct this to make the work force more fexible without loosing all rights... in the last 12 years the unemployment dropped from 4.8million to 2.6million and that with all the new people who moved to Germany the last two years...

 

[Saithan]

I am sorry to say that but the whole economie of a nation is a refelction of the government work... no matter what nation the governemt makes the rulebook and the economie plays inside this rules..if you have capitalistic employers who fire and employ people like they want it is not their fault..it is the fault of the government to allow such behaivor ... so at the end it is the government... the only and realy only thing the government cant change are seasonal changes because of weather... for example more tourists in summer than winter so more employees needed in hotels and tourist areas... but that counts for every country... in Germany the wintertime mostly stops all outdoor construction works... a mild winter with early warm phase has impact on unemployment rate... BUT all other reasons could be regulated by the government ... Germany had a high unemployment rate from the late 1990´s till 2005 of over 4million up to 4.8million in 2005... they made changes and reforms to correct this to make the work force more fexible without loosing all rights... in the last 12 years the unemployment dropped from 4.8million to 2.6million and that with all the new people who moved to Germany the last two years...

Well said, I bet those who're AKP and RTE supporters won't understand it anyhow.

 

[BARS]

I am sorry to say that but the whole economie of a nation is a refelction of the government work... no matter what nation the governemt makes the rulebook and the economie plays inside this rules..if you have capitalistic employers who fire and employ people like they want it is not their fault..it is the fault of the government to allow such behaivor ... so at the end it is the government... the only and realy only thing the government cant change are seasonal changes because of weather... for example more tourists in summer than winter so more employees needed in hotels and tourist areas... but that counts for every country... in Germany the wintertime mostly stops all outdoor construction works... a mild winter with early warm phase has impact on unemployment rate... BUT all other reasons could be regulated by the government ... Germany had a high unemployment rate from the late 1990´s till 2005 of over 4million up to 4.8million in 2005... they made changes and reforms to correct this to make the work force more fexible without loosing all rights... in the last 12 years the unemployment dropped from 4.8million to 2.6million and that with all the new people who moved to Germany the last two years...

You are right, goverment should prevent the abuse of this economic helps. For the unemployment German "Mittlestand" methods might be a solution for Turkey's unemployment, i believe, we should implement it.

 

[BARS]

What's more, everywhere you read, their governments officials and teenagers in forum, all shout as if land vehicle engines are some wonder weapons too hard to be designed and developed.

Their coreligionists and weak small country Malaysia that China has bullied into submission has developed at least two car engines and assembled some processors and has some wafer fabs. Solar panel production and offshore oil and gas sector they are present too.

And we are talking about a 32 million developing and weak country like Malaysia where the native Malays are less wealthy and less healthy educated than the minority Chinese. On top of that, the Chinese ambassador threatens Malaysia with consequences.

I laugh every time I see the low IQ activities of the Middle Eastern people, the Pakistanis, the Turks, Arabs Iranians, Kurds, Berbers. You are just a bit ahead of Hindus and Africans, and a lot behind even primitive Chinese, who are far behind East Asian developed states.

Typical European smug.

Your country is what it is because you systematicly abused and robbed the people that you are accusing of low IQ. Still trying keep them dull, that is why while entire world is in relative peace but people-countries that you are listed is not. I am not offended but your insult because i am not taking it upon myself or my people, i see your fear, you are trying make yourself feel good, create some kind of safe space. You are reacting to change!

 

[Orez]

Turkey is not even close to any nation in the EU...

EU's nation is not only Germany and France. I dare say Turkey is much better than countries like Bulgarie, Greece...or other east Europe. Hell Turkey is in G20, which make Turkey only behind 5 countries in Europe i think.

No one is denying that AKP managed to do well for the first 8-10 years (2002-2010/2012). But you have to be able to differentiate. You have to be able to see what's happening now.

True, and its why AKP lose voter during the first election in 2016. During the second election they only come back because of the need to create a govt.
AKP lose voter since 2012, because they are not so good like in the past, but you cannot expect all AKP voter to change their opinions only because 2012/2016 mandat. We will see what come next, can AKP continue increase the economie like before 2012 or they will continue to lose it ?

 

[Deliorman]

@BARS , why do you even bother to waste your time answering to that guy? I have seen him post in other threads too and all he does is insulting people and talking about Low IQ Middle Easterners, Stupid Berbers, Super Smart White European people and etc.

The amount of crazy people you find on internet forums is huge so ignoring those is better than giving them attention or arguing with them. Better just tag @The Eagle @waz @cabatli_53 so they can handle him for the sh*t he writes all around the forum all day.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Typical European smug.

Your country is what it is because you systematicly abused and robbed the people that you are accusing of low IQ. Still trying keep them dull, that is why while entire world is in relative peace but people-countries that you are listed is not. I am not offended but your insult because i am not taking it upon myself or my people, i see your fear, you are trying make yourself feel good, create some kind of safe space. You are reacting to change!

It's not true.

France reached the pinnacle of science , technology and human endeavour thanks to its own efforts, thanks to efforts of its geniuses. True, France was a colonial power, so was Turkey, Russia, China, India, America, Britain, Japan or any middle or big sized country that wants to be militarily powerful today or in the past.

I never insulted anybody. I stated facts.

If I say, Indian IQ is 76 and Chinese are copycats, these are not insults. These are facts.

It's the same as saying Africa is poorer than China and China is poorer than Europe.

Or the same as saying Russia is bigger than Liechtenstein and Australia is bigger than Papua New Guinea in area.

These are simple facts.

 

[Successwill]

Just chill... You probably forgot that Erdo was a bestfriend with Gulen- at that time you were probably happy about it. Now all you guys do is just bark how evil he was, you see Feto everywhere, even in chocolate bar commercials on TV.
A lot of things Baybars says are true and he is right for one thing- too much money of your pockets are being spent on things which are not necessary... only to those who need to feed their egos. Expensive cars, huge palaces, hundreds of people who are getting enormous salaries for doing nothing... and more, and more. Those things cost billions to buy or build and millions to maintain. But I guess you actually believe that Erdogan, his family and those around him are not corrupt at all and everything they are doing is for your well being too, right...? Like the old person Saithan was talking about.

ps I guess you are one of those people who were talking about how the Turkish economy was dying when the Lira lost 3% of it's value during the Gezi protests but is believing that it is thriving now when it lost 40% of it in a matter of months. One of those who were happy that Turkey is going to be an EU member soon when Erdogan was on a honey moon with the Westerners and now call them all NAZIS.

You are wrong little boy i personally devoted myself to another sect. So i am in the business and i am in the know that "gulen" was doing wrong when he first appeared to be saying "Dialog", "Moderate Islam" and the project in Antalya planned to juxtapose "the mosque, the church and the sinagog".

I was never happy with the relationship of these two people.. when i was happy were the very first times we began to sense "the split" of Ak Parti and Gulenists.

The rest you wrote is nothing but expletives, boy

It's not true.

France reached the pinnacle of science , technology and human endeavour thanks to its own efforts, thanks to efforts of its geniuses. True, France was a colonial power, so was Turkey, Russia, China, India, America, Britain, Japan or any middle or big sized country that wants to be militarily powerful today or in the past.

I never insulted anybody. I stated facts.

If I say, Indian IQ is 76 and Chinese are copycats, these are not insults. These are facts.

It's the same as saying Africa is poorer than China and China is poorer than Europe.

Or the same as saying Russia is bigger than Liechtenstein and Australia is bigger than Papua New Guinea in area.

These are simple facts.

Look at this frank. He doesnt remember the times his people were sucking up to the Turks so as to save their arses from prussians. Their king accepted being equal to the Ottoman grand vizier. Thus they lived in safety for hundred years. They were given advantages in commerce but biting the hand that feeds you is something peculiar to you people..

 

[BARS]

It's not true.

France reached the pinnacle of science , technology and human endeavour thanks to its own efforts, thanks to efforts of its geniuses. True, France was a colonial power, so was Turkey, Russia, China, India, America, Britain, Japan or any middle or big sized country that wants to be militarily powerful today or in the past.

I never insulted anybody. I stated facts.

If I say, Indian IQ is 76 and Chinese are copycats, these are not insults. These are facts.

It's the same as saying Africa is poorer than China and China is poorer than Europe.

Or the same as saying Russia is bigger than Liechtenstein and Australia is bigger than Papua New Guinea in area.

These are simple facts.

I argue you did achived all because of money. You argue you have money because you achived the pinnacle of science, tech and human endeavour. It is like asking "which is came first chicken or the egg?" So which is true?

Besides my observations through life, i have seen charts which show countries with their IQ and GDP. Higher the GDP higher the IQ because better education, that simple.

I claim France robbed it's colonies and enemies then accumulated income. Used income for investing on education and science, in return achived a better place in world arena.

Still where ever resourse or money is there are your or your allies soldiers. It is all about buisness, right?

I am not saying you arent wining. You are wining because there are no brakes among your tools called moralism.

Internet is the perfect place to see that i am right. There are many places where you can state your opinion without consequenses. All i see too many of you very vocal about your negative opinions of the people you see low. You just dont act on that opinions like your goverments do.

When you act: see WW1, WW2, ?WW3?

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

I argue you did achived all because of money. You argue you have money because you achived the pinnacle of science, tech and human endeavour. It is like asking "which is came first chicken or the egg?" So which is true?

I don't agree with this.

Look at Arab oil kingdoms and China. Money means not much when it comes to brain. You can not give a donkey a pile of cash and expect it to deliver ICBM and thermonuclear bombs to you. It's not possible.

China still has no aircraft carrier, no jet engine, no working AAM or AESA radar. We know how it brags about all fake achievements that are disproved the moment they step out of their comfort zone of dictatorial China where any sign of truth is suppressed causing them live in a bubble.

Basically, nothing of worth is made or built in China. It's all low end assembly work and of extremely low quality.

Besides my observations through life, i have seen charts which show countries with their IQ and GDP. Higher the GDP higher the IQ because better education, that simple.

Not true again.

Qatar and North Korea are two examples. One has high IQ, low income and the other has high income, low IQ. It happens.

I claim France robbed it's colonies and enemies then accumulated income. Used income for investing on education and science, in return achived a better place in world arena.

Turkey was a colonial power for centuries, why couldn't Turkey do the same? Arabs say Turks only improved Istanbul and Anatolia leaving North Africa and Syria, Hejaz, Sudan barren. So what is truth about it?

Switzerland never robbed anybody its still richer than France, so is Luxembourg or Liechtenstein. It's not an issue, really, if you were a colonial power or not so long as you have peace and business acumen.