Turkey vows to mobilize Islamic world against Euro-fascism

[ptldM3]

So, Hitler and his goons are no terrorists, only Simon aka baghdadi and the Saudi despots are.

No Hitler was a terrorist, just like the many terrorist dictators in the Middle East.

 

[Deliorman]

You know something very wrong is going on on PDF and Turkish section when most of the self proclaimed Kemalists side with Holland against Turkey in these issues.

To all non-Turks here who have sparse idea about Turkey. This forum is not a representation of Turkey or Turkish policies. Toxic "kemalists" have been hijacking the Turkish section for some time even though these guys are a tiny minority in Turkey. PDF administrations keeps insisting in letting this fringe group represent Turkey. But don't let them fool you, visit Turkey, read about Turkey and see it for yourself.

Mainstream Turks are getting banned systematically by them andn their voice is kept away. If you really want to converse like normal human beings, i recommend reading the comments of HAKIKAT kedikesenfare or selim1 and the likes. Dont lend ears to the others too much

We side with the truth and we only side for Turkey- the land of the Turks. Turkey which is a civilized and prosperous nation opened for new ideas where education, science and arts flourish. A country where Turks live together like brothers. A country with a strong military behind it and working institutions- not a country where some people break the laws they themselves created years ago, not a country where billions are stolen every year by a bunch of corrupt political prostitutes. We want Turkey to be a nation of the 21st century where Turkish history, culture and traditions are respected and not just an another backward and religious midd-eastern sh*thole you are dreaming about it to be one day. First learn who Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was and what he fought and died for before trying to insult us. I know that you hate the truth but Ataturk is and will be always loved and respected by every REAL Turk around the world. I am sure that he was not a perfect human being but he gave all he had for this land. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been here right now to waste our time on this forum, or to drink a cup of tea, or to watch a football game etc.

ps If the mainstream in Turkey includes more of those brainwashed guys who were butchering oranges and tulips and deporting cows in a protest against the Dutch.
If it includes those who burn a flag but can't make the differance between a French and Dutch one.
If it includes more of those who protest against the Jews/Americans with pouring Coca Cola on the street and drinking Fanta instead when the same company produces them both
If it includes more of those who spit on and then burn some fake dollars infront of a Reis Erdogan banner behind them.
If it includes more of those who have never read a single book in their lives but think they know everything.
If it includes more of those who sell their votes on elections for a package of macaroni and a couple bags of coal.
If it includes more of those who pretend to be Good Muslims and Ottoman Grandsons but who know nothing about their own religion and history.
If it includes more of those crazy people who were happy when a shooting happened in a night club on New year's eve.
If it includes more of those who think we will be a Superpower by sending our youth to the mosques and the religious schools instead of giving them a world class education and improving their skills.
If the mainstream in Turkey includes the people I mentioned above than this country has no future.

 

[Brutas]

End of cold war(communism) has left large section of intellectual and political parties in doldrums. To survive, Center and far right parties/intellectuals all across EU needs an enemy. What else is out there than the age old enemy i.e. Islam. This will continue till a new perceived enemy emerges.

 

[Stag112]

I am surprised at the language Turkish politicians use. I visited Turkey for a long stay 11 years ago and people there were quite civilized and balanced. Even Erdogan was not this Trumpish.

 

[-SINAN-]

Erdogan has shown he's willing to apply military muscle to back his stated political goals. So how do you divine his latest statement is merely an empty nothing?

He is doing all of this because of the referendum.

Even an AKP mp said "We gained 2 percent because of the incident in Holland." Then prime minister said "We didn't planned the incident in Holland." http://www.gazeteduvar.com.tr/politika/2017/03/15/yildirim-hollanda-ozur-diledi/

 

[Taygibay]

Our discussion is veering off-topic, mate.
But quickly,

Also if that is the case what is with Frances Hijab ban? And discrimination?

No, that is the special case of religious peculiarity that
A- Is not a necessity in its own context;
B- Would be unacceptable if it was.

If Islam claimed the Hijab as always necessary for women,
this would conflict with the last term in our motto : equality.
You cannot force women or any subset of citizen to bear out
a specific condition; it would be unconstitutional.

The links you provided show how the position evolved around
the fact that it is not a necessity but poses a rights problem.
As an imposition on women, it is forbidden entirely but as a
personal right, it is entirely allowed.
As a religious sign, it led to a coherent regrouping that forbids
blatant display of faith for civil servants and within state insti-
-tutions; the République serves all in neutrality. Do note that
this put restrictions on all other creeds hitherto inexistant which
was due to equality principle and that they didn't complain much.

The extension that was given to private enterprises to follow suite
in the workplace you posted on has just been made into law by the
EU so that blaming my "own country" will have to wait or get wider
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/...on-la-cour-de-justice-europeenne_2096333.html
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2017-03/cp170030en.pdf
and having personally defended one of my Muslim men from preju-
-dice and racism by my hierarchy when serving as platoon sergeant,
I'll state the truth if I want to and if it sounds like a lecture so be it!

At the liberty and rights thing, some countries are better and that's that!
I fully respect the right of nations to shape their society if not the result
but not to lie about their achievements : be sexist, I'll call it and that's that!

Nazi ... it's like Usain Bolt being called a cheater by the guys who didn't
qualify at regional meets to make their national squad for the olympics!

Anyhow, let's let that go for here and now.
We'll surely find a chance to pick it up later in a better context.

Good Friday to you man, Tay.

 

[T-123456]

We side with the truth and we only side for Turkey- the land of the Turks. Turkey which is a civilized and prosperous nation opened for new ideas where education, science and arts flourish. A country where Turks live together like brothers. A country with a strong military behind it and working institutions- not a country where some people break the laws they themselves created years ago, not a country where billions are stolen every year by a bunch of corrupt political prostitutes. We want Turkey to be a nation of the 21st century where Turkish history, culture and traditions are respected and not just an another backward and religious midd-eastern sh*thole you are dreaming about it to be one day. First learn who Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was and what he fought and died for before trying to insult us. I know that you hate the truth but Ataturk is and will be always loved and respected by every REAL Turk around the world. I am sure that he was not a perfect human being but he gave all he had for this land. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been here right now to waste our time on this forum, or to drink a cup of tea, or to watch a football game etc.

ps If the mainstream in Turkey includes more of those brainwashed guys who were butchering oranges and tulips and deporting cows in a protest against the Dutch.
If it includes those who burn a flag but can't make the differance between a French and Dutch one.
If it includes more of those who protest against the Jews/Americans with pouring Coca Cola on the street and drinking Fanta instead when the same company produces them both
If it includes more of those who spit on and then burn some fake dollars infront of a Reis Erdogan banner behind them.
If it includes more of those who have never read a single book in their lives but think they know everything.
If it includes more of those who sell their votes on elections for a package of macaroni and a couple bags of coal.
If it includes more of those who pretend to be Good Muslims and Ottoman Grandsons but who know nothing about their own religion and history.
If it includes more of those crazy people who were happy when a shooting happened in a night club on New year's eve.
If it includes more of those who think we will be a Superpower by sending our youth to the mosques and the religious schools instead of giving them a world class education and improving their skills.
If the mainstream in Turkey includes the people I mentioned above than this country has no future.

You should get a positive rating for this post.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

While the opinion of Kemalists don't represent the Turkish nation or it's policies what it does represent is the opinion of that Turk.

Friend, you need to read closer to understand what i've written. I'm talking about self-proclaimed toxic kemalists

Turkey is a diverse place with diverse opinions, you cannot cut out the opinion of others simply because they do not line with your own or the majority.

Exactly, this is what's happening in this forum. The majority of Turks are grossly underrated because they are getting banned and outed by the current Turkish community the same moment they appear. If you guys visit the Turkish section frequently and other non-Turkish sections, you will see certain names never post in the Turkish section because they frequently get warns and bans unjustly.

We side with the truth and we only side for Turkey- the land of the Turks. Turkey which is a civilized and prosperous nation opened for new ideas where education, science and arts flourish. A country where Turks live together like brothers. A country with a strong military behind it and working institutions- not a country where some people break the laws they themselves created years ago, not a country where billions are stolen every year by a bunch of corrupt political prostitutes. We want Turkey to be a nation of the 21st century where Turkish history, culture and traditions are respected and not just an another backward and religious midd-eastern sh*thole you are dreaming about it to be one day. First learn who Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was and what he fought and died for before trying to insult us. I know that you hate the truth but Ataturk is and will be always loved and respected by every REAL Turk around the world. I am sure that he was not a perfect human being but he gave all he had for this land. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been here right now to waste our time on this forum, or to drink a cup of tea, or to watch a football game etc.

ps If the mainstream in Turkey includes more of those brainwashed guys who were butchering oranges and tulips and deporting cows in a protest against the Dutch.
If it includes those who burn a flag but can't make the differance between a French and Dutch one.
If it includes more of those who protest against the Jews/Americans with pouring Coca Cola on the street and drinking Fanta instead when the same company produces them both
If it includes more of those who spit on and then burn some fake dollars infront of a Reis Erdogan banner behind them.
If it includes more of those who have never read a single book in their lives but think they know everything.
If it includes more of those who sell their votes on elections for a package of macaroni and a couple bags of coal.
If it includes more of those who pretend to be Good Muslims and Ottoman Grandsons but who know nothing about their own religion and history.
If it includes more of those crazy people who were happy when a shooting happened in a night club on New year's eve.
If it includes more of those who think we will be a Superpower by sending our youth to the mosques and the religious schools instead of giving them a world class education and improving their skills.
If the mainstream in Turkey includes the people I mentioned above than this country has no future.

Siding with the enemies during times of crisis is a common trait of traitors. And it seems we have a handful of them here. Taking isolated events and presenting them as a whole or the norm is restricted to people who can't differentiate between fact and fiction.

Example, mainstream of Turks didn't cut oranges as a protest, 4-5 guys did this.
Example, mainstream Kemalists didn't beat Imams during the 15 July putsch. A couple of them did. However attempting to portray the entire population a certain way through isolated events is beyond any comprehension.

 

[Farooq]

You are unhinged in the head and displaying your stupidity by thinking that by posting a few pictures of churches in the Middle East and Indonesia that you suddenly debunked my sources. I presented some of the most reputable and respected sources in the world and the best you could do was post a few undated photos.


Clearly you don't know how to debate at an intellectual level where sources mean everything. At this point you have no argument or credibility.

Back to Indonesia, 600 churches have been destroyed either by the government or Islamists like yourself:




http://www.sharondalecc.org/fire/countries_where_christianity_is_illegal.pdf


Indonesia
Religious Freedom Rating: 5 (7 is worst)
Militant Muslims have waged periodic Jihad (‘Holy War’) against Christian communities in the Molucca Islands and Sulawesi. Over 600 churches have been destroyed since 1996




https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/34570570

Indonesian authorities have begun tearing down churches in Aceh province amid rising religious tension.

Last week, hundreds of Muslim men burnt down three churches. Defending Christians killed one Muslim attacker.









Do realize how ignorant you sound? First off Christianity is outlawed in Saudi Arabia. I already gave sources for that but according to you, in Saudi Arabia Christianity is not banned, just Churches are illegal and people can't preach. If outlawing churches and making it illegal to preach doesn't constitute as a ban, which it is then I don't know what does.

Police have also raided homes in Saudi Arabia arresting dozens of people for praying. So the Saudis outlaw churches, ban the preaching of Christianity and even arrest people for praying in homes but yep it's totally not banned because Bhagdad Bob said so.


Saudis arresting Christians in their homes:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/01/30/saudi-arabia-christians-arrested-private-prayer


https://www.barnabasfund.org/news/S...Christiansatprivateworshipmeeting?audience=ES


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/...ucting-christian-prayers-in-private-residence




















Try reading the list of countries I gave where Christianity is banned or restricted. Jordan was not on the list. I have been saying for years that Syria, Jordan, and Lebonon are the most secular countries in the Middle East but islamists still attack Christians in those countries.









A moron is born every hour. Like I said Assad is one of the few secular leaders in the Middle East, this is part of the reason why so many prejudice hateful gulf countries hate him.












It's an established fact that Christianity is under attack in the Middle East. Governments demolished churches, arrest people for holding prayers in their homes, Churches are burned down by the hundreds, Christian homes and businesses are attacked, Christians are being murdered in churches, etc. funny how people like you either ignore this problem or pretend it doesn't happen. Posting a few undated photos of a couple churches doesn't change anything.



I don't agree with the banning of mosques or hijabs in Europe but then again this is no ones fault but radical Islamists. How many mosques have been preaching radical ideology? How many of those mosques goers have joined Isis? How many more attacks does Europe need to take before it does something? Also banning burqua is for security reasons.








You're right Baghdad Bob, women live in a utopian paradise in the Middle East:

Here are just some of the rights women are denied in the Middle East.




In Yemen a women is only half a witness. In Saudi Arabia and Morroco rape victims can be charged with a crime. In Yemen women can't leave the house without the husbands permission and in Saudi Arabia a women can't drive.







Okay Baghdad Bob, its all a conspiracy, the Middle East is a beacon of freedom. It's people like you that are the problem and cause for the human rights abuses and prejudice that is so wide spread in the Middle East. You remind me of those single mothers that marry a man that sexually abuses the mothers young daughter but the mother lets it happen.












In other words women are slaves that are forced to do things they don't want.

isolated incidents don't count as the norm, but no one can dictate your fantasy and you have zero credibility since you posted garbage from an anti-Islamic website

also, there have been many attacks on Muslim in western nations, so does mean the west is no longer the champion of human rights?


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31143947 <=== you conveniently missed this

 

[The Eagle]

You know something very wrong is going on on PDF and Turkish section when most of the self proclaimed Kemalists side with Holland against Turkey in these issues.

To all non-Turks here who have sparse idea about Turkey. This forum is not a representation of Turkey or Turkish policies. Toxic "kemalists" have been hijacking the Turkish section for some time even though these guys are a tiny minority in Turkey. PDF administrations keeps insisting in letting this fringe group represent Turkey. But don't let them fool you, visit Turkey, read about Turkey and see it for yourself.

Mainstream Turks are getting banned systematically by them andn their voice is kept away. If you really want to converse like normal human beings, i recommend reading the comments of HAKIKAT kedikesenfare or selim1 and the likes. Dont lend ears to the others too much

With reference to your above post, let me remind you and others as well "To whom it may concern" that PDF Forum does not side with anyone nor enforces one side idea or conflict at all. Admin ensures enforcement of Forum Rules where needed and has nothing to do with internal affairs/personal affairs/
personal and political affiliation of any party/person. Make sure none violates the forum rule and there
you see, the charm being at PDF. You, by yourself in above post came with accusations which is not the
part of Forum at all and this Forum believes in balanced approach. You have issues with your opponent political believers/opposition party etc that has nothing to do with Forum until & unless one does not becomes unpleasant and causing trouble for others/members through violating rules as well. PDF represent everyone from all around the world, from different religions, ethnicity, Regions, Countries and different people from every class so before making any accusations and playing a victim card unnecessarily, let us be honest first at our part when quoting others and speaking our minds too. If you find any offensive post or post violating Forum Rules, report the same and move-on without quoting back or doing the same thing (offense) in return as a justification even that will be counted as violation. Members get ban due to violation of Forum Rules and not just because of being affiliated to any political party which doesn't matter to this Forum at all. Hopefully, the same clarifies a lot.

I must say, the way you posted above quote, I do believe honestly that such language is not the representation of Turkiye and being a Muslim, I wouldn't even take such kind of stance against others by labeling them with XYZ accusations that too without any clue/proof or evidence and blame the Forum as well. We understand that sometimes, counter arguments are not as per our expectations or wish but the beauty of debate/discussion is that everyone is not suppose to agree with your arguments hence, the trick comes into play by agreeing to disagree with respect and move-on. Trust me, few members does not re-present any country so it doesn't matter if any member affiliated with any XYZ party says whatever but you everyone) can keep up with representation of every colour of society.

Enjoy discussion, stick to the topic, keep in view the Forum Rules and have a nice time.

Thanks.

Side-Note for everyone: No off-topic posts onward.

 

[foxtrot1]

Erdogan is a mad man. He calls everyone Nazi and he's frequently referring to Hitler as well. That is quite revealing to me.

Day after day he turns Turkey into an Authoritarian Islamic regime.
Day after day he turns Turkey into something not compatible with European values.

He will benefit from this locally playing with the patriotic feelings of his fellow citizens.

I expect those next steps :
- further destruction of free speech in Turkey
- further actions to increase his control over the military
- further clash with European countries

At some point Turkey will leave NATO also because it will help him to keep control of the Turkish army which should be goal #1 of every "strong leader".

Turkey is neither Industrial power nor the economic power. Yes they have learnt being with NATO but they would need SCO backing them. It's basically Russia which may turn Turkey.

 

[T-Rex]

No Hitler was a terrorist, just like the many terrorist dictators in the Middle East.

That is my point. Hitler is gone but not his cronies in the west. Today they are pulling the strings in France, Netherlands and Germany and tomorrow they will be doing it in all of Europe. On top of that they have a patron in Washington. The picture looks so rosy for them.

 

[Solomon2]

He is doing all of this because of the referendum.

Even an AKP mp said "We gained 2 percent because of the incident in Holland." Then prime minister said "We didn't planned the incident in Holland." http://www.gazeteduvar.com.tr/politika/2017/03/15/yildirim-hollanda-ozur-diledi/

You are pretty convincing, you know that?

I accept that a big motivation is the referendum. Does that rule out that Erdo really means what he says?

 

[-SINAN-]

You are pretty convincing, you know that?

I accept that a big motivation is the referendum. Does that rule out that Erdo really means what he says?

What had he done against Israel after Mavi Marmara incident ?

 

[Dai Toruko]

What had he done against Israel after Mavi Marmara incident ?

Turkey is first country to be issued apoligy by Israel.