Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[TopCat]

Is being rich and developed and able to protect your borders from violators considered as a joke in Bangladesh? No wonder why it is a hopeless shthole where people chase and kill each other with machetes in mud covered streets over their religions.

Border violation is a routine thing between neighbor. Even arch enemy like India/Pakistan, or USA/Russia tolerates each other. You had shot down a plane which in extreme case could entered your border for mere 10 seconds. By the law of physics a pilot could not make his mind, lock the radar and shoot the plane in 10 seconds. You either fired the missile before it entered your border or after it left. It is obvious that the the shooting down is premeditated and an ambush.

 

[Kesang]

Feel bad for pilot but I am pretty sure that he also killed tens of turkman civilians while targeting rebels. I can understand why did Turkey shot it down but it would be better if they just escort the sukhoi out from her airspace.

 

[Nadezhda]

Russian President Vladimir Putin called Expired HAS sanctions contre for Turkey, Including a Ban On Some goods and Prohibiting extensions of labor contracts for Turks working in Russia.

The mandate published on the Kremlin's website Saturday Follows the downing of Turkey this week by a Russian warplane.

This order comes shortly after-également Turkey's president Told That supporters he was "truly Saddened" Wished and the incident HAD not occured

 

[Paksanity]

[copied from my post in another thread]

Demanding an apology from Turkey is turning international law upside down. Let us first determine the legitimacy of Turkish actions. It all boils down to two things.

1. Did Russian aircraft violate Turkish airspace?
2. If they did, does international law allow shooting down of such aircraft?

First one can be resolved by bringing up evidence from both side. There will be number of parties observing this area so I'm sure there is no shortage of evidence. Any third party like ICJ can review such evidence. From what is available on Internet, it seems they did violate airspace and it was not the first time they did. Any dispute can be taken to international foras like UN or international court of justice. Apparently Russia is not keen on that for obvious reasons.

As far the second question, well yes, an aircraft can be shot down on violation of airspace after due warning. Will it be shot down is a different matter and involves number of factors like diplomatic fall outs, political fall outs, strength of nations and all that stuff. What however remains clear is that Turkey has the legitimate right to use lethal force against violating aircraft. How much violation is a violation? Any amount of violation is a violation and extends the same right. Airspace has the same sanctity as that of land and territorial waters and gives the same rights as that of violation of sovereignty.

Few Pakistani members have taken a weird line on this matter. We more than other nations should be well aware as to how this game of intimidation and coercion works. How narrative is built against a an entire nation branding it a terrorist supporter. How powerful neighbours want you to submit and tow their line. When some Pakistani disagrees with Turkish actions, he should well be ready to accept violation of Pakistani airspace from larger neighbours and even stronger foreign players. If we do not accept Turkish rights to raise concerns on Turkmen massacre at the hands of a brutal government and its foreign allies, we also loose the right to object to Kashmiri's killed at the hands of Indian troops. If it is fine for you support actions of Bashar al Asad then please support killing of Muslims in Gujrat at the hands of Modi as well. Support violation of Pakistan airspace by IAF and US. Also accept that Afghan and Russian aircraft that we shot down in 80s actually were victim of our aggression no matter they were violating our airspace. And if tomorrow India lands its forces in Afghanistan and starts bombing the crap out of Pashtun civillians calling them ISIS and then moving onto FATA, bomb our territory by just calling them terrorists and US a supporter of terrorism then we should, well cheer them, right? And on that day Turkish will watch and remain silent rather cheer Indian strikes on Kashmiris and FATA and I will ask you how you feel!

Nobody is asking you to send troops or something but by now we should have enough wisdom to know how media and diplomats launch an assault on a country and malign its image worldwide. Pakistanis more than anyone else should be able to understand how a Web is being built around Turkey, which somehow chose to rise from economic downfall and started to become more assertive. It's not about Erdogan or a party. It's about a nation who has just, very slightly shown signs of not taking dictation. It's them today, it might very well be us tomorrow. Think before making in opinion. How would we react if India starts violating our airspace in AJK on same pretext? Now let's replace India with Israel. Suppose Israeli F-15s are deployed in India and they are bombing the hell out of Kashmiris and our Kashmiris are watching the massacre just across the LOC. Now two Israeli jets cross into Pakistan while bombing. What would be your reaction? Replace us with Turkey now and I would say they have shown restraint!

 

[Azeri440]

Border violation is a routine thing between neighbor. Even arch enemy like India/Pakistan, or USA/Russia tolerates each other. You had shot down a plane which in extreme case could entered your border for mere 10 seconds. By the law of physics a pilot could not make his mind, lock the radar and shoot the plane in 10 seconds. You either fired the missile before it entered your border or after it left. It is obvious that the the shooting down is premeditated and an ambush.

or you know , track it and when it reached the border , fire the missile

how simple minded can you be

Sorry Bangladesh is not rich nor developed and never will try to shoot down an American or Russian planes. We dont want to be like a joke what you yourself became.

LOL , does Bangladesh even have an air force

 

[PatriotLover]

Few Pakistani members have taken a weird line on this matter. We more than other nations should be well aware as to how this game of intimidation and coercion works. How narrative is built against a an entire nation branding it a terrorist supporter. How powerful neighbours want you to submit and tow their line. When some Pakistani disagrees with Turkish actions, he should well be ready to accept violation of Pakistani airspace from larger neighbours and even stronger foreign players. If we do not accept Turkish rights to raise concerns on Turkmen massacre at the hands of a brutal government and its foreign allies, we also loose the right to object to Kashmiri's killed at the hands of Indian troops. If it is fine for you support actions of Bashar al Asad then please support killing of Muslims in Gujrat at the hands of Modi as well. Support violation of Pakistan airspace by IAF and US. Also accept that Afghan and Russian aircraft that we shot down in 80s actually were victim of our aggression no matter they were violating our airspace. And if tomorrow India lands its forces in Afghanistan and starts bombing the crap out of Pashtun civillians calling them ISIS and then moving onto FATA, bomb our territory by just calling them terrorists and US a supporter of terrorism then we should, well cheer them, right? And on that day Turkish will watch and remain silent rather cheer Indian strikes on Kashmiris and FATA and I will ask you how you feel!

Nobody is asking you to send troops or something but by now we should have enough wisdom to know how media and diplomats launch an assault on a country and malign its image worldwide. Pakistanis more than anyone else should be able to understand how a Web is being built around Turkey, which somehow chose to rise from economic downfall and started to become more assertive. It's not about Erdogan or a party. It's about a nation who has just, very slightly shown signs of not taking dictation. It's them today, it might very well be us tomorrow. Think before making in opinion. How would we react if India starts violating our airspace in AJK on same pretext? Now let's replace India with Israel. Suppose Israeli F-15s are deployed in India and they are bombing the hell out of Kashmiris and our Kashmiris are watching the massacre just across the LOC. Now two Israeli jets cross into Pakistan while bombing. What would be your reaction? Replace us with Turkey now and I would say they have shown restraint!

Very well said. I find it very surprising that fellow Pakistanis are supporting Russia. And in the false beleif that Russia is mostly hitting ISIS which is not true.

I think it may be because of Chinese influence we are being forced to support Russia and against fellow muslims. It has happened in the past, I hope it does not repeat, if needed we must stand independant and support who we wish and not be influenced.

 

[TopCat]

or you know , track it and when it reached the border , fire the missile

how simple minded can you be

Ambush??

LOL , does Bangladesh even have an air force

Why? You want to ambush our fighter too?

Very well said. I find it very surprising that fellow Pakistanis are supporting Russia. And in the false beleif that Russia is mostly hitting ISIS which is not true.

I think it may be because of Chinese influence we are being forced to support Russia and against fellow muslims. It has happened in the past, I hope it does not repeat, if needed we must stand independant and support who we wish and not be influenced.

The reason most people support Russia is because of USA hegemony in the region. Turkey is just a pawn.

Israel is the one who is disappointed most which proves that what Russia is doing is the best for the region.

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

As mafia state Russia police arbitrarily arrest Turkish bussinesmen and put them into jail, raid on dormitories and takes Turkish students into custody and dont protect our embassy againist fanatic attacks in Moscow,
No a single Russian citizen hurted or harassed in Turkey..Russians have properties in Turkey didnt sell a single house till now....
Now Russian tour agencies seeking to alternate the ways of sending tourists to Turkey through Kazakhistan, Azarbaijan and Belarus agencies...other Most of Russian Business companies will apply the same methods as well....

 

[Azeri440]

Ambush??

Ambush? are you really this messed up in the head?

even the Airline pilot from Lebanon confirmed Turkey gave 10 warnings to the aircraft with no response
but yes "ambush"

 

[Nadezhda]

Pokoysya s mirom!

 

[TopCat]

Ambush? are you really this messed up in the head?

even the Airline pilot from Lebanon confirmed Turkey gave 10 warnings to the aircraft with no response
but yes "ambush"


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I heard you were warning it while it is 58 KM inside Syrian airspace.. WHY?

 

[Azeri440]

I heard you were warning it while it is 58 KM inside Syrian airspace.. WHY?

it's called standard precaution in accordance with NATO , 58 km is a small distance for an aircraft
anyway, the warnings debunk your claim on ambush

Turkey did everything with accordance to international regulations, and all the information provided by Turkey was confirmed by NATO and civilian witnesses.

any other questions?

 

[TopCat]

it's called standard precaution in accordance with NATO , 58 km is a small distance for an aircraft
anyway, the warnings debunk your claim on ambush

Turkey did everything with accordance to international regulations, and all the information provided by Turkey was confirmed by NATO and civilian witnesses.

any other questions?

hahahahah....

It is the standard precaution if a fighter approaches from international airspace to NATO air space, not bugging your neighbor who are within their own airspace. You guys should start sending your officers to school again.

 

[Azeri440]

hahahahah....

It is the standard precaution if a fighter approaches from international airspace to NATO air space, not bugging your neighbor who are within their own airspace. You guys should start sending your officers to school again.

do you even know anything about air traffic control? they don't wait until last minute to make contact with a plane even if the aircraft is within it's own borders

I already said 58kms is a very small distance for an aircraft , if the aircraft is heading directly towards your border , you establish contact and warn the aircraft.

 

[TopCat]

do you even know anything about air traffic control? they don't wait until last minute to make contact with a plane even if the aircraft is within it's own borders

I already said 58kms is a very small distance for an aircraft , if the aircraft is heading directly towards your border , you establish contact and warn the aircraft.

Its Syrian airspace.. and their aircraft will patrol their border and to do that they have to head towards Turkish border... You think they should head towards the center of earth?