Turkey lifts veto on Israel’s NATO activities despite frictions – report

[cabatli_53]

When those so called Erdo_Israel crisess exploded in media, I have told you following policies of both country. Turkey and Israel are natural allies. The most difficult times of Turkey, Israel was always with Turkey and Most difficult times of Jews, Turkey opened all doors to them. The World conjuntures make it a prohibition. It isn't important How false policies Israel actived against Muslims, How Erodgan shouted/cursed. What Erdogan does to create own influence with cursing Israel but At the same time, He always supports the activities which will be benefical for Israel in region. Call him as two face or not, That's his own policies.

In recent months, Erdo government announced that Couple meetings have been commenced with Israel. It isn't known What Israel accepted to make the relations better. As a response to What Israel accepted, Turkey anounced lifting the NATO participation of Israel...

 

[tyrant]

When those so called Erdo_Israel crisess exploded in media, I have told you following policies of both country. Turkey and Israel are natural allies. The most difficult times of Turkey, Israel was always with Turkey and Most difficult times of Jews, Turkey opened all doors to them. The World conjuntures make it a prohibition. It isn't important How false policies Israel actived against Muslims, How Erodgan shouted/cursed. What Erdogan does to create own influence with cursing Israel but At the same time, He always supports the activities which will be benefical for Israel in region. Call him as two face or not, That's his own policies.

In recent months, Erdo government announced that Couple meetings have been commenced with Israel. It isn't known What Israel accepted to make the relations better. As a response to What Israel accepted, Turkey anounced lifting the NATO participation of Israel...

Yes, You are right that there is a natural alliance (and also Iran-Israel natural alliance).
But don't forget a few points:
1. Israel will block Turkey's biggest choke-point: energy and I meant Mediterranean energy.
2. Turkey has attracted huge Arab money by confronting Israel.
3. There is not much to get from Israel except some military equipments that come upon conditions and can be found elsewhere. Maybe, it was the third point that made Iranians forget their natural Israeli alliance.

 

[cabatli_53]

Yes, You are right that there is a natural alliance (and also Iran-Israel natural alliance).
But don't forget a few points:
1. Israel will block Turkey's biggest choke-point: energy and I meant Mediterranean energy.
2. Turkey has attracted huge Arab money by confronting Israel.
3. There is not much to get from Israel except some military equipments that come upon conditions and can be found elsewhere. Maybe, it was the third point that made Iranians forget their natural Israeli alliance.

What I expressed above was just my analize about Erdo's current policies and Turkey-Israel relations. I always support good cooperations, collaborations everybody including Israel but That doesn't mean that The things I have told above is about my personnel advices Turkey should obey. If the subject is my counrty which my ancestors changed the destiny of the World in past, Everybody who threatened this nation has to pay the depts as long as they regret but You know We aren't old Ottomans and The World doesn't turn around one country. Turkey is around a block of the World and Even If you don't want, Something goes out of your choices so Eachside should made some fine tunes to straighten something to reach more better solutions...

 

[revojam]

About precious Turkiye-Israel alliance :

Fact:While Israel given F-15s we were not.
Fact.While Israel F-16 got their source codes from US possibly in 1990s and designate Turkey as foe Turkey only managed access this privilage after 2006.
Fact:Turkiye requested Barak systems for our ships but Israel refused.
Fact:Good old friend Israel said we will help with Gokturk-1 but on the condition of satellite will turn off when its comes to Israel airspace.(what da ****???)

Israel's policy was obvious as long as Turkiye weaker than Israel we are allies.Whole relationship was based on the fact Israel seller and we are customer so i laugh this Israel was Turkiye's friend crap.

If relationships were so good why did Mavi Marmara raid turned into blood bath? Why did those soldiers send to ship with live ammos? Tear gas , baton , tasers if nothing else rubber bullets couldnt have been used instead of live ammos? Then "Low Chair Incident" which was nothing more than 15th century mentality to insult a country through ambassadors too much for our precious relationship...

All i know is Israel as a country governed by trigger-happy lunatics , after Mavi Marmara and events following it i relaized this.As a deist Turk who will never vote for AKP and her variants i dont want relationships to recover any time soon first apologize in front of cameras just like how Israel insulted our ambassador then we can talk about relationship repair.

 

[cabatli_53]

About precious Turkiye-Israel alliance :

Fact:While Israel given F-15s we were not.
Fact.While Israel F-16 got their source codes from US possibly in 1990s and designate Turkey as foe Turkey only managed access this privilage after 2006.
Fact:Turkiye requested Barak systems for our ships but Israel refused.
Fact:Good old friend Israel said we will help with Gokturk-1 but on the condition of satellite will turn off when its comes to Israel airspace.(what da ****???)

Israel's policy was obvious as long as Turkiye weaker than Israel we are allies.Whole relationship was based on the fact Israel seller and we are customer so i laugh this Israel was Turkiye's friend crap.

If relationships were so good why did Mavi Marmara raid turned into blood bath? Why did those soldiers send to ship with live ammos? Tear gas , baton , tasers if nothing else rubber bullets couldnt have been used instead of live ammos? Then "Low Chair Incident" which was nothing more than 15th century mentality to insult a country through ambassadors too much for our precious relationship...

All i know is Israel as a country governed by trigger-happy lunatics , after Mavi Marmara and events following it i relaized this.As a deist Turk who will never vote for AKP and her variants i dont want relationships to recover any time soon first apologize in front of cameras just like how Israel insulted our ambassador then we can talk about relationship repair.

My friend,

It isn't important How you lauched while reading my posts. At every situation, The truths have been typed. I am also the one who criticize the Israel cause of many reasons but Don't make me push to tell the defence history between two country again and again. I am not the one who tells Israel is a perfect ally for Turkey or They always works for benefits of Turkey...

Let me tell you some points...

-If Israel took the source-codes of aircrafts before Turkey, It is about USA concern, Not Israel.
-As far as I know, Iran took F-15's before Israel. What's the actual point ? Turkey requested F-15's but USA regret ? It isn't about Israel again.
-Turkey never requested Barak missiles from Israel. Don't share me any source because I know all details of it.
-About satellite, Israel issues such restrictions for not only Turkey, but also every costumer who demands the cameras that has a resolution belonw 2m.


Now, Let me tell you some other issues to my compatriot.

-In difficult times When PKK was attacking on Turkey's ourposts with rockets, Turkey got almost all rockets and munitions from Israel. (In those times, The munitions a terorist group have, didn't join into our inventory yet or not have much. No need to think over How bad situation Turkey was...)

-While Greece was pouring money on SAM's (Pac-2, PAC-3, S-300, Crotale, Aspide, Tor-m1, Buk M-1..etc) and stationed the best radar systems on critical islands to hunt Turkish AirForce like a fly on crisses times and Turkey's security intellgence services were warning Turkey to take precuations immediately, Noone approached to sell anything to Turkey. In those times, With secret agreements, Turkey ordered HARPY anti-radiation drones to attack on Greek SAM radars for ballance.

-Almost all Turkey's objections and warnings, French agreed to sell 300km ALCM's to Greece, While Turkey was lack of such a strategic capabilities. With the self-relience Greece get with all those attacking-defencive systems, They attacked on Kardak islands. In those times, Turkey meets with Israeli Popeye Stand off missiles to be launched by F-4's.

-In times When Germany refused to sell 1000 Leopard2A6 tanks to Turkey, Our officials shocked and commenced a new program under desperation which will be benefical for our industrial capabilities as well but Noone approaches to share some tank technologies with us. Firstly modernization progress for existing tanks are commenced and the capabilities reached with such modernization and technology transfer programs, The Turkish nation would have been reached a national tank program called Altay. At those times, Turkey meets with Israeli Knight Fire Control systems and Optic technologies. With the technologies gained, Aselsan developed Volkan-1 FCS to apply for Leopard-1's, Then Volkan-2 for Leopard 2A4 and Volkan-3 for Altay MBT. At present, Turkey is the rare country which has key IR detector technologies incluing QWIP detectors.

More examples can be given...

There are indeed some differences between looking the events with a political/ideological eyes and objective.