Turkey lifts ban on head scarf in Army for female soldiers.

[HannibalBarca]

I will support veil in army only when woman give birth to daughters with veils
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Veil got into Turkey after 70s as a "radicalism" symbol as a group of people, back then, there were no veils in any case, but we have full black veil indeed, actually turban but i dont wanna use it since it indicated an indian wear

So a majority muslim country as Turkey shouldn't allow "veil" in the army...When in the other side of Europe , few scandinavians country and Canandian Army/police let their own muslim citizen wear it??? I think I'm lost...

Few Turkish around this forum should understand that your country is a muslim one... so bear with it...

 

[Orez]

if you look at islamic perspective there is absolutly no secularism.. secularisim is antiislamic and batil.. no way for a sincere muslim to accept secularism.. dont fool yourself its like cutting pork helal way absolutly unimaginable

I don't look at the islamic perspective...I look for Turkish people interest.
I support this decision because this the majority of people want in Turkey, but I don't support sharia because this is certainly not what people want or for their interest.

I will support veil in army only when woman give birth to daughters with veils
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Veil got into Turkey after 70s as a "radicalism" symbol as a group of people, back then, there were no veils in any case, but we have full black veil indeed, actually turban but i dont wanna use it since it indicated an indian wear

Support it or not it your right but don't bitch about it.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

we or our politicians take

I think we all know what your 'elected' politicians chose. Read the damned headline of this thread. If this change has you constipated may be you need to take that uniform off and go garner support from millions of others Turks who are upset by this change - and win power via the ballot box rather than out of the muzzles of tanks.

I am waiting for the counter argument from

I don't think this is appropriate forum. I am assessing the depth of feeling about this subject amongst the Turks and try to feel which direction the wind is blowing. I am not here to offend Turkish sensibilities. If my thoughts tally with significant number of Turks then yes I will reply but in another thread - rest assured I will tag you.

And I am no mullah lover (so spare me the cheap jibes) but equally I don't support tyranny hiding under the cloak of uber-secularism.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

I think we all know what your 'elected' politicians chose. Read the damned headline of this thread. If this change has you constipated may be you need to take that uniform off and go garner support from millions of others Turks who are upset by this change - and win power via the ballot box rather than out of the muzzles of tanks.


I don't think this is appropriate forum. I am assessing the depth of feeling about this subject amongst the Turks and try to feel which direction the wind is blowing. I am not here to offend Turkish sensibilities. If my thoughts tally with significant number of Turks then yes I will reply but in another thread - rest assured I will tag you.

And I am no mullah lover (so spare me the cheap jibes) but equally I don't support tyranny hiding under the cloak of uber-secularism.

I personally guess how our debate would end, how you would ''formulate'' your idea, in which order etc. since you would not be the first prince on the white horse that those islam abusers beg for sympathy with some vicitm tears of their sick culture disguised in Islam just like mullahs or ISIS do.

This thread is turning into another cry wall of those islam abusers, and you call this ''assessing the depth of feeling about this subject amongst the Turks''. But, you do not have to sense anything, for those islam abusers are everywhere in the world especially in the ME or even your country Pakistan, their ideology and behaviour are almost identical no matter where they are.

However, I partially see your point in reading those islam abusers' cry in a kitty cat sympathy on theory like those here, but act in wild one in field like a mullah in Iran,Saudi Arabia or the worst phase like ISIS. If you are looking the line between a human being, kitty cat and wild one in this thread, then i repeat the question what made the difference between Turkey and other muslim dominated countries like Pakistan,Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc. ?

In a tiny ''scientific'' perspective, It needs some dicipline to make obersvation over the subject; the basic one for everbody with no academic title is to get the basic knowledge about them in books, and then documents/research papers in the past, finally get the ticket to make observation over the current situation. In your case, It seems You have done none of them, but still put forward that ''observation'' card. Or Have you?

 

[sehnaz]

it is a bad thing. tell me one simple country who is islamic repblic that is successful?

At the moment there is no Islamic republic(true one) in world,not Saudi & Iran

 

[Oguzhan]

If you have an army big of 50,000 and 100 soldiers want to wear veil, than its ok, Sweden and some other countries also suffer from this minorities,
In Turkey, we have a motto as " yallah arabistana" which means, go to Arabia, If you do things that is not belongs to Turkish culture but Arabic, so go to Arabia,
The main problem here is that "veil" is not a traditional cloth in Turkey and it represents a ideological figure,Everyone cover their head with scarf here but not veil, thats the main difference,
On the other hands, if Turkey is 90 percent muslim and let veil in army, for example Azerbaijan is also muslim but dont let veil, so aren't they real muslim or what? This comprehension is stupid, we are not Pakistan, and let's be honest, Pakistan is not a country to compare with Turkey in many civil ways

 

[Neptune]

I think we all know what your 'elected' politicians chose. Read the damned headline of this thread. If this change has you constipated may be you need to take that uniform off and go garner support from millions of others Turks who are upset by this change - and win power via the ballot box rather than out of the muzzles of tanks.


I don't think this is appropriate forum. I am assessing the depth of feeling about this subject amongst the Turks and try to feel which direction the wind is blowing. I am not here to offend Turkish sensibilities. If my thoughts tally with significant number of Turks then yes I will reply but in another thread - rest assured I will tag you.

And I am no mullah lover (so spare me the cheap jibes) but equally I don't support tyranny hiding under the cloak of uber-secularism.

In today's Turkey we all know that headscarf in military or public office is used as a political instrument not religious. This is a product of 80s but we all know this move's outcome. And you are the last guy to tell me or someone else to take his stripes off. Sometimes I wonder are Paks really our friends or not.

 

[HannibalBarca]

If you have an army big of 50,000 and 100 soldiers want to wear veil, than its ok, Sweden and some other countries also suffer from this minorities,
In Turkey, we have a motto as " yallah arabistana" which means, go to Arabia, If you do things that is not belongs to Turkish culture but Arabic, so go to Arabia,
The main problem here is that "veil" is not a traditional cloth in Turkey and it represents a ideological figure,Everyone cover their head with scarf here but not veil, thats the main difference,
On the other hands, if Turkey is 90 percent muslim and let veil in army, for example Azerbaijan is also muslim but dont let veil, so aren't they real muslim or what? This comprehension is stupid, we are not Pakistan, and let's be honest, Pakistan is not a country to compare with Turkey in many civil ways

Lol..weird coming from someone who's ancestors "ottoman" went on conquest in Europe to spread islam and everything that comes with it (veil, and such...)
Ps, you "culture" and "ancestors" (seljuks) got an importance by embracing islam and spreading it. So whatever youwant to believe or not, the veil will be part or turkey, as mosque and quran... . Do not forget that your "secularism" is only a century old with attaturk... Before that you were as any "arab" around you... . You 're not going "into" somthing else, you are just coming back to where you belong. Like it or not, that's your future, you are not anybody, with no past of conquest ...

as for civil rights, let's not jump on other countries..it's not like turkey today is an exemple...

 

[Luffy 500]

Alhamdulillah that muslims in Turkey are finally getting the very basic right to follow and express their religion publicly rather than being forced to hide it. When I look into Kemalist Turkey I am overcome with grief, wondering what kind of a jahil anti-islamic state was that? Even a barbaric totalitarian secular state like France gave Muslims more rights than kemalist Turkey. May Allah (swt) bless Turkey with a generation that will establish Islam in all spheres of life and root out the kufr of secularism so that Muslim Turks regardless of political orientation view Ataturk and kemalism as a dark chapter in their history. It will take time but Insha'Allah it will happen as turkish muslims get more and more educated about their religion and history.

 

[jamal18]

So a majority muslim country as Turkey shouldn't allow "veil" in the army...When in the other side of Europe , few Scandinavians country and Canadian Army/police let their own Muslim citizen wear it??? I think I'm lost...

Few Turkish around this forum should understand that your country is a muslim one... so bear with it...

Many European countries allow the headscarf. Many years ago I was in Marks and Spencer's, a Jewish owned shop, and saw a Muslim employee wearing a headscarf as part of her uniform.

I have always maintained that apart from the recent troubles, the people who really hate Islam aren't living in the west, but are living in the Muslim world. The Christians are more tolerant of islam than some Muslims.

 

[SouI]

Lol..weird coming from someone who's ancestors "ottoman" went on conquest in Europe to spread islam and everything that comes with it (veil, and such...)
Ps, you "culture" and "ancestors" (seljuks) got an importance by embracing islam and spreading it. So whatever youwant to believe or not, the veil will be part or turkey, as mosque and quran... . Do not forget that your "secularism" is only a century old with attaturk... Before that you were as any "arab" around you... . You 're not going "into" somthing else, you are just coming back to where you belong. Like it or not, that's your future, you are not anybody, with no past of conquest ...

as for civil rights, let's not jump on other countries..it's not like turkey today is an exemple...

When I look into Kemalist turkey I am overcome with grief, wondering what kind of a jahil anti-islamic state was that? Even a barbaric totalitarian secular state like France gave Muslims more rights than kemalist turkey. May Allah (swt) bless turkey with a generation that will establish Islam in all spheres of life and root out the kufr of secularism so that Muslim Turks regardless of political orientation view Ataturk and kemalism as a dark chapter in their history.

@cabatli_53 can you please ban foreigners to jump into this sort of non-of-their-business threads? I am sick and tired of foreigners telling us how our country should and will be like and how we were just Arabs and will remain as such and not have our own identity and how Atatürk was oppressive and terrible for advocating ideology neutrality while writing his name small and even purposefully wrong.

 

[Luffy 500]

@cabatli_53 can you please ban foreigners to jump into this sort of non-of-their-business threads? I am sick and tired of foreigners telling us how our country should and will be like and how we were just Arabs and will remain as such and not have our own identity and how Atatürk was oppressive and terrible for advocating ideology neutrality while writing his name small and even purposefully wrong.

I though you are a liberal who believes in Free speech? Is not free speech one of the defining features of liberalism?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

@cabatli_53 can you please ban foreigners to jump into this sort of non-of-their-business threads? I am sick and tired of foreigners telling us how our country should and will be like and how we were just Arabs and will remain as such and not have our own identity and how Atatürk was oppressive and terrible for advocating ideology neutrality while writing his name small and even purposefully wrong.

If you ask them about the siutaion of their own countries, in short cut, you remind them their place in this very thread.

Other than that, please let them confess their situation by disguising it via Turkey, in the end i promise to you that They will realize how ''pathetic'' they are. Also, you will in the end start to feel sorry for them just like they will at that moment.

We were Turks with culture, language etc. before the holly religion and guidance Islam. We are still Turks. The identity is the only thing Allah gave us and we cannot change unlike our religion.

 

[SouI]

I though you are a liberal who believes in Free speech? Is not free speech one of the defining features of liberalism?

I never claimed to be a liberal, and there are rules in this forum. You cannot go off-topic to try voicing up your disgusting hatred towards our forefather and national values in our own subforum.

 

[Oguzhan]

I am telling you that this "veil" came into our country as a political symbol at mid 70s, and you are talking about Ottomans
Ottomans empire had religious laws, Turkey has contemporer modern laws that doesn't depend on individual beliefs but everyone's