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Turkey has put down a deposit on S-400 missiles to Russia: President Erdoğan

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Turkey has already paid a deposit to Russia for the purchase of the S-400 anti-ballistic missile system despite opposition from its NATO allies, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğanhas said, underlining that both Ankara and Moscow were committed to accomplish the sale process of the high-tech defense equipment.

“Our friends have already signed [an agreement on] S-400s. A deposit has also been paid, as far as I know. The process will continue by the transfer of a credit from Russiato us. Both Mr. [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and myself, we are determined on this issue,” Erdoğan told journalists on his return from Kazakhstan on Sept. 10.

Erdoğan’s remarks debunked some news reports published in different Western newspapers that suggested that Turkey will backtrack from purchasing Russian-made anti-ballistic missiles system as they wouldn’t be interoperable with NATO’s radars.

But Erdoğan denied these reports, stressing that no other country has the right to discuss Turkey’s sovereign and independent decisions in upgrading its defense.

“It’s us who will make decisions regarding our independence. We are responsible over taking security measures for the defense of our country. We’ll save ourselves if we face difficulties in procuring defense systems,” he said.

Recalling that Turkey’s demands to purchase drones from allied countries have not been positively responded to as they were seeking enormous amounts of money, Erdoğan said, “They give tanks, cannons and armored vehicles to the terror organization but we can’t procure some of our needs, although we want to pay the price. What happened in the end? We started to produce our own drones and armed drones. We have killed 90 terrorists [with the armed drones] in the last week,” referring to the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), which the U.S. has been funding in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).


No disagreement over Syria with Russia

When asked about the state of cooperation between Turkey and Russia over Syria especially with concerns that a military operation could take place to expel al-Qaeda-linked terrorists from Idlib, Erdoğan emphasized the importance of a meeting that will take place in Astana on Sept. 14 and 15 with the participation of Turkey, Russia and Iran.

“Currently, the process in Idlib is being run as we agreed with Russia. There are no disputes with Russia on it. No controversy was brought to the agenda during our meeting with Iran. I am of the opinion that healthy talks will continue following the Astana summit. The process is developing positively,” he said.

The three countries will discuss the establishment of de-conflict zones in four different regions in Syria, where they will observe the continuation of a cease-fire between the Syrian regime and opposition groups. Turkey is believed to have deployed monitoring mechanisms in the Idlib region in northern Syria.


No meeting with al-Assad in sight

Erdoğan also responded to a question over claims that he held a secret meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad at Putin’s request. “Some people are spreading these on purpose. I did not meet al-Assad and I have no intention in meeting him,” he said.


‘No emotional reaction on Kurdish referendum’

A referendum set to be held on Sept. 25 in northern Iraq by the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) was also brought to the attention of Erdoğan in the interview. When recalled KRG President Massoud Barzani’s statements that they could even fight for a referendum in the face of Iraqi Turkmen groups’ opposition to include Kirkuk, Erdoğan said he wouldn’t find making emotional assessments on this issue correct.

“First, we should get accurate information from our foreign ministry over these claims. Are these true? We have to see them first to make an evaluation. If we speak about it out of emotions, it would be wrong,” he stressed. Turkey never wants to see Turkmen groups leaving their homelands, Erdoğan stressed, recalling Turkey would do its share to keep them in their territories.


‘Problem with German leaders, not with people’


On an ongoing tension with Germany, Erdoğan stressed that the problem is not with German people but with their government. “We feel resentful toward the Germangovernment because of some of their wrong stances. Yes, they are in an election period. But we don’t care much on who will win the polls. This is Germany’s internal issue,” he said.

Calling on German leaders to bring an end to these policies against Turkey, Erdoğan stated, “We have seen what they have done during our referendum process. We will surely not give concession of our honor as the Republic of Turkey should these attacks against us continue. We cannot deem Germany’s abetting of terrorists normal.”

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Turkey is not first NATO country which will be operating Russian Sam it was Greece, its operating s-300 since 2000 so why such a fuss now ??? http://greekmilitary.net/airdefence.htm

Because now they can't do the "shock and awe" campaign when it's time to invade Turkey.

Why would they attack Turkey?

To name just 1 thing BORON.

Turkey has the largest reserves even more than USA in the world and we are the top producer of it.

It can be used for high tech stuff like rocket fuel and such.

Reserves:

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Production:

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Turkey will become more desirable in the future as human population explodes.
We are one of the few agriculturally self sufficient countries, we have rivers and so many things grow in Turkey.

We rank top 3 in the WORLD for most fruits and vegetables even nuts.

As water and food becomes a problem in the world people will fight over Turkey.

For example Iraq and Syria would not have water if it weren't for the Euphrates river in Turkey.

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Then you got gold, iron, oil... so many things, for some reason Turkish government isn't touching the oil and gold in Turkey it seems, very strange. I'm sure we got lot's of oil at least.
 
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Like Erdogan already stated back in July, S-400 is a done deal. $2.5 billion for a very capable, slightly nationalized Russo-Turkish high-altitude SAM that will operate as a Turkish-only system independent from any NATO networking,. which by itself is better for Turkey's national security, trust me.

Also worth mentioning, Turkey will also throw a good $2 to $3 billion to Eurosam for a significantly nationalized version of the SAMP/T.

And then likely also around $1 or $2 billion for HISAR-U deployment.

Yeah, so clearly money is growing on the trees in Turkey nowadays (5% GDP growth in 2017 Q2) and Turkey is willing to spend it well to secure its skies.
 
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Like Erdogan already stated back in July, S-400 is a done deal. $2.5 billion for a very capable, slightly nationalized Russo-Turkish high-altitude SAM that will operate as a Turkish-only system independent from any NATO networking,. which by itself is better for Turkey's national security, trust me.

Also worth mentioning, Turkey will also throw a good $2 to $3 billion to Eurosam for a significantly nationalized version of the SAMP/T.

And then likely also around $1 or $2 billion for HISAR-U deployment.

Yeah, so clearly money is growing on the trees in Turkey nowadays (5% GDP growth in 2017 Q2) and Turkey is willing to spend it well to secure its skies.

Agreed
 
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Like Erdogan already stated back in July, S-400 is a done deal. $2.5 billion for a very capable, slightly nationalized Russo-Turkish high-altitude SAM that will operate as a Turkish-only system independent from any NATO networking,. which by itself is better for Turkey's national security, trust me.

Also worth mentioning, Turkey will also throw a good $2 to $3 billion to Eurosam for a significantly nationalized version of the SAMP/T.

And then likely also around $1 or $2 billion for HISAR-U deployment.

Yeah, so clearly money is growing on the trees in Turkey nowadays (5% GDP growth in 2017 Q2) and Turkey is willing to spend it well to secure its skies.
I hope the money will be enough. I dont think we will buy SAMP/T. We will keep with the S400s and jump on the train for Aster 30 Block II with investments and engineering power. Then We will just introduce the work with Eurosam as Hisar U. Untill then we will continue development of the other Hisar systems like Hisar A, Hisar O and Hisar O Nokta. Wikipedia is saying that Aster 30 Block II will have exo athmospheric capability and will be ready untill 2020. I think @Combat-Master once posted brochure of the developments for national long range air defense system and on that brochure there was picture of kill vehicle.
 
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Yes @kartal1 it'd be nice to have a high-SAM capable of intercepting ballistic missiles out in space. That would also give Turkey some limited anti-satellite capability. But we're talking about at least 6-7 years in the future now.

I have my doubts that Turkish S-400 will be operational by 2019, by the way. One of Russia's prerequisites for the sale is that Russian OPSEC secrets are not leaked to NATO. In order to safeguard against this, Turkey will be replacing some ceritical Russian components and software with Turkish equivalents. Coincidentally, this also matches Turkey's local production and "nationalization" clauses. I don't think they can replace those components with Turkish ones in less than 2-3 years but we'll see.
 
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Poland is buying Patriot systems for 7.6 billion, so what are they getting if we compare it with s-400?
 
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Poland is buying Patriot systems for 7.6 billion, so what are they getting if we compare it with s-400?
These multibillion dollar defense acquisitions are almost purely political. Ergo, technical specs of individual systems have less to do with the decision than geopolitical realities at play in the background. Poland didn't have a choice. Their whole national security is being bet on US assistance at the moment. Especially now that Turkey has become at least semi-independent and its own boss. Poland has become the forefront in the decades-long US/EU/NATO struggle in containing Russian emergence.
 
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Turkey and Russia to go ahead with arms deal
MENEKSE TOKYAY | Published — Thursday 14 September 2017

Turkey signs deal to buy Russian S-400 missile systems: Erdogan
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ANKARA: Russia said it is preparing to ship its S-400 anti-ballistic missile system to Turkey despite opposition from the latter’s key NATO allies.
As Turkey boasts the second-largest army in the alliance after the US, the purchase of Russian-made, high-tech defense equipment has sparked intense debate about its interoperability with NATO radars.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday said his country had already paid a deposit to Russia for the S-400s.
“If we’re having issues in acquiring certain defense instruments and our attempts are met with obstacles, we’ll take care of ourselves,” he said, alluding to difficulties Turkey has faced in purchasing armed drones from allied countries.
Technical experts say it is necessary to create an interface program to ensure the compatibility and interoperability of the S-400 system with NATO’s missile defense.
“But there’s a need for political consensus on this between the parties, which isn’t likely at all,” Prof. Mustafa Kibaroglu, director of the Center for International Security Studies and Strategic Research at MEF University in Istanbul, told Arab News.
“Acquiring air defense systems is likely to increase Turkey’s deterrent capability, which in turn might enhance its self-confidence and help bring more stability to its relations with other countries in the region.”
Underlining that Turkey, despite being a NATO member, is not obligated to buy military equipment from a particular group of countries, Kibaroglu said Russia is a legitimate supplier for air defense systems.
“In an age of worsening relations between the West and Russia, the recent bid has caused grave concerns” among NATO members, he added.
The S-400 deal alone is unlikely to make Turkey and Russia strategic partners overnight, and does not suggest a major deviation from Ankara’s foreign and security policies, Kibaroglu said.
“Existing differences, and ad hoc cooperation between Turkey and Russia in handling terrorism threats emanating from Iraq and Syria, won’t be dramatically affected by the deal, at least in the foreseeable future,” he added.
Can Kasapoglu, a defense analyst at the Istanbul-based Center for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies, said interoperability between the S-400 and NATO’s integrated ballistic missile defense architecture is not possible.
“This doesn’t arise merely from technical difficulties, but from greater political-military concerns,” he told Arab News.
“Anyone who monitored NATO’s Wales and Warsaw summits could have detected the extremely negative mood regarding Russia, especially after Moscow’s annexation of Crimea.”
Kasapoglu said while Turkey does not plan to drift away from NATO’s systems, diversification of its military cooperation portfolio and procurement makes it resilient in the face of diplomatic fluctuations. But he highlighted two drawbacks regarding the S-400 deal.
“First, Turkey’s defense budget might be overstretched by running two defensive strategic weapons agendas, one for the Russian SAM and the other for a NATO-friendly system with EUROSAM,” Kasapoglu said.
“Second, any further strains in the strategic balance between NATO and Russia would put Turkey’s S-400 deal under the spotlight. Furthermore, an undeclared war has been going on in the eastern part of Ukraine, and there’s no way Turkey’s Foreign Ministry could recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea.”
Elli Kytomaki, an arms control expert and analyst at SaferGlobe, a Finnish think-tank, told Arab News that the purchase of the S-400 “would make Turkey the first NATO member to use the system within the alliance.”
He said: “The US has already raised concerns over the purchase, but it doesn’t seem to be a deal-breaker or a cause for sanctions by NATO or Turkey’s other Western allies, such as the EU.”
Kytomaki added that Turkey wants to frame a more independent foreign policy and gain more knowhow in missile technology.
“The Russian system is also said to be cheaper than the alternatives that were on the table when the purchase was first being considered,” she said.
In light of tensions in Turkey’s security partnership with the US, experts said the S-400 deal could spark further disagreement between Ankara and Washington.
“But even if Turkey were to reconsider its decision” to procure the S-400, “I don’t think it would make the Pentagon withdraw its support” for the Syrian-Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), Kasapoglu said.
“Nevertheless, many of Turkey’s competitors would use the S-400 issue to claim that Ankara is shifting from its traditional alliance to a more pro-Russia position. This propaganda could affect the US stance vis-a-vis Turkey when discussing the PYD issue.”
 
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Well done Turkey. That's just tip of iceberg.

Turkey despite opposition from the latter’s key NATO allies.
It is a thick middle finger for the latter's major NATO allies. When they denied Turkey the rightful entry into EU just because it is a Muslim country, it has all the right to acquire weapons from wherever it wants....I can see many in Austria and other racist countries losing sleep due to severe diarrhoea.
 
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purchase of the S-400 “would make Turkey the first NATO member to use the system within the alliance.”
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What about Greece?

These articles are supporting the west and not telling the truth.

USA and others won't give us tech transfer, we even helped them in the Korean war, Afghanistan and many other places. We die for them but they won't give us tech and the US wouldn't even sell armed drones to us.

Great allies indeed, more like enemies pretending to be friends.

Except UK, they seem honest as we have fighter jet program with them now.

I think it's USA, Germany and a few rich but very small European countries causing problems for us.

France used to cause problems too but their current president is good and wants us in the EU.

I think we should work with Russia and China more, USA and Germany are arming and actively helping terrorists (PYD) in our border right now. These are two faced countries not real friends/allies.

How would USA feel if Turkey supported traffickers in Mexico or North Korea?

We die for them in wars, we have the 2nd largest army in NATO. But we don't get to buy weapons or buy tech from them.

Not fair at all, we don't need USA or Germany, the future is Russia, China and others.

Japan is the sleeping giant wait and see, it has the most advanced tech in the world.

USA barks like a dog, Japan is patient.
 
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Soviet AD weapons in GREEK, I won't mention all other new NATO members ex Soviet origin !

  • The 23 mm ZU-23 lightweight, automatic, towed antiaircraft gun entered the Army arsenal after years of service with the East German army.
  • With units entering service both from East German and Russian sources, the 9M33 Osa (SA-8) short-range surface-to-air missile system was acquired to maximize the protection offered to Army units. In the mid-1990s Germany sold 13 Osa surface-to-air missile. The Greek government requested its upgrade as the Osa-AKM. The Russians later sold another 16 Osa-AKMs. Greece was so pleased that also ordered 31 Russian-made Tor-M1 (SA-15) short-range surface-to-air missiles under 1999 and 2000 contracts.
  • The S-300 PMU-1 were initially purchased by Cyprus in 1999, but were transferred to Crete (Greece) after the strong protest from Turkey. They remained there "under storage" until 2007 that were officially transferred to Greece and put into service. The first test shot was made in Dec. 2013.[7]
 
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Hadi bakalim hayirli olsun! :) I just hope that we won't end up with an inferior S-400 because of the replacement of some Russian components with Turkish ones. But of course I know that companies like Aselsan. Havelsan, Roketsan, STM as well as government organizations like TUBITAK-SAGE have an excellent track record of producing state-of-the-art systems from scratch. So my confidence in the final "Turkishized" S-400 is full and absolute.
 
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Hadi bakalim hayirli olsun! :) I just hope that we won't end up with an inferior S-400 because of the replacement of some Russian components with Turkish ones. But of course I know that companies like Aselsan. Havelsan, Roketsan, STM as well as government organizations like TUBITAK-SAGE have an excellent track record of producing state-of-the-art systems from scratch. So my confidence in the final "Turkishized" S-400 is full and absolute.

Hayrini gör tepe tepe kullan o_O
 
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