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Turkey Chooses Russia Over NATO for Missile Defense

  • Turkey agrees to pay $2.5b for 4 Russian S-400 SAMs: official
  • Russia offer for transfer of know-how said to seal the deal


Turkey has agreed to pay $2.5 billion to acquire Russia’s most advanced missile defense system, a senior Turkish official said, in a deal that signals a turn away from the NATO military alliance that has anchored Turkey to the West for more than six decades.

The preliminary agreement sees Turkey receiving two S-400 missile batteries from Russia within the next year, and then producing another two inside Turkey, according to the Turkish official, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter. A spokesman for Russia’s arms-export company Rosoboronexport OJSC said he couldn’t immediately comment on details of a deal with Turkey.

Turkey has reached the point of an agreement on a missile defense system before, only to scupper the deal later amid protests and condemnation from NATO. Under pressure from the U.S., Turkey gave up an earlier plan to buy a similar missile-defense system from a state-run Chinese company, which had been sanctioned by the U.S. for alleged missile sales to Iran.

Turkey has been in NATO since the early years of the Cold War, playing a key role as a frontline state bordering the Soviet Union. But ties with fellow members have been strained in recent years, with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan pursuing a more assertive and independent foreign policy as conflict engulfed neighboring Iraq and Syria. Tensions with the U.S. mounted over U.S. support for Kurdish militants in Syria that Turkey considers terrorists, and the relationship with the European Union soured as the bloc pushed back against what it sees as Turkey’s increasingly autocratic turn. Last month, Germany decided to withdraw from the main NATO base in Turkey, Incirlik, after Turkey refused to allow German lawmakers to visit troops there.

Turkey ‘Disappointed’
The missile deal with Russia “is a clear sign that Turkey is disappointed in the U.S. and Europe,” said Konstantin Makienko, an analyst at the Center for Analysis and Technology, a Moscow think-tank. “But until the advance is paid and the assembly begins, we can’t be sure of anything.”

The Russian system would not be compatible with other NATO defense systems, but also wouldn’t be subject to the same constraints imposed by the alliance, which prevents Turkey from deploying such systems on the Armenian border, Aegean coast or Greek border, the official said. The Russian deal would allow Turkey to deploy the missile defense systems anywhere in the country, the official said.

‘Know-How’


For Turkey, the key aspect of any deal is transfer of technology or know-how, the Turkish official said. Turkey wants to be able to produce its own advanced defense systems, and the Russian agreement to allow two of the S-400 batteries to be produced in Turkey would serve that aim, the official said.
“There are a lot of different levels of technology transfer,” and any offer to Turkey would probably be limited in terms of sophistication, said Makienko, the Moscow-based analyst. “For Turkey to be able to copy the S-400 system, it would have to spend billions to create a whole new industry.”

The S-400 is designed to detect, track and then destroy aircraft, drones or missiles. It’s Russia’s most advanced integrated air defense system, and can hit targets as far as 250 miles away. Russia has also agreed to sell them to China and India.

The sides are currently sorting out technical details and it could take about one year to finalize the project, the Turkish official said. One battery may be available earlier if Russia decides to divert it from another country, the official added. The missiles are not ready to sell off-the-shelf and Russia will have to produce the batteries before delivering them, the official said.

The official said the systems delivered to Turkey would not have a friend-or-foe identification system, which means they could be deployed against any threat without restriction.

U.S. and European rivals have also bid to co-produce missile defense systems with Turkey, as it seeks partnerships allowing it to enhance its domestic arms production amid a military buildup in the region.

Disagreements between Turkey, which has the second-largest army by personnel numbers in NATO, and the U.S., the bloc’s biggest military, have also impacted business. No U.S. companies bid for a Turkish attack helicopter contract in 2006 after Turkey insisted on full access to specific software codes, which the U.S. refused to share, considering it a security risk. Turkey partnered with Italy instead in a $3 billion project to co-produce 50 attack helicopters for its army.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-agree-to-pay-2-5b-for-4-russian-s-400-sams

Source is Bloomberg but I don't know how reliable this story is. Besides, I always thought that Russia generally does not agree on producing (ToT) such systems in foreign countries? Why this sudden change of mind?
 
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Source is Bloomberg but I don't know how reliable this story is. Besides, I always thought that Russia generally does not agree on producing (ToT) such systems in foreign countries? Why this sudden change of mind?

Everything has a beginning and an end!!!!! Only HE is above this rule for its HIS rule!!!!
 
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the world is not for choosing sides, you can be neutral in this world .. Turkey chose what's best for their country ..
 
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One thing is sure and Turks must understand it now. EU is not open for Turkey and Turkey is not open for EU.

Second, NATO will never come to help a Muslim country. Instead, they would drag Turkey into trap, keeping it on front line. As they did set up a trap by shooting Russian jet in past.

What kind of alliance NATO is when allies are helping forces, which Turkey declared as terrorists ? What if Turkey starts helping the people in Europe, declared terrorist by NATO ?
 
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Besides, I always thought that Russia generally does not agree on producing (ToT) such systems in foreign countries?

They do. They have not yet done so with Turkey for historic reasons. In fact, they are more open to sharing tech with countries they consider friendly, than the US ever will.
 
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One thing is sure and Turks must understand it now. EU is not open for Turkey and Turkey is not open for EU.

Second, NATO will never come to help a Muslim country. Instead, they would drag Turkey into trap, keeping it on front line. As they did set up a trap by shooting Russian jet in past.

What kind of alliance NATO is when allies are helping forces, which Turkey declared as terrorists ? What if Turkey starts helping the people in Europe, declared terrorist by NATO ?

When TURKEY shot down a Russian jet which violated Turkeys airspace,
NATO CLEARLY stated its support for Turkey. Your lies are obvious.

Turkey and the rest of NATO are not in agreement on who are terrorists.
Turkey simply has not been able to produce convincing arguments.

Once NATO agrees that a group is a terrorist organisation, all members
are bound by that, so unlike the first case, Turkey would be misbehaving.
I therefore doubt that your fantasies would be implemented by Turkey.
 
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Turkey Chooses Russia Over NATO for Missile Defense

  • Turkey agrees to pay $2.5b for 4 Russian S-400 SAMs: official
  • Russia offer for transfer of know-how said to seal the deal


Turkey has agreed to pay $2.5 billion to acquire Russia’s most advanced missile defense system, a senior Turkish official said, in a deal that signals a turn away from the NATO military alliance that has anchored Turkey to the West for more than six decades.

The preliminary agreement sees Turkey receiving two S-400 missile batteries from Russia within the next year, and then producing another two inside Turkey, according to the Turkish official, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter. A spokesman for Russia’s arms-export company Rosoboronexport OJSC said he couldn’t immediately comment on details of a deal with Turkey.

Turkey has reached the point of an agreement on a missile defense system before, only to scupper the deal later amid protests and condemnation from NATO. Under pressure from the U.S., Turkey gave up an earlier plan to buy a similar missile-defense system from a state-run Chinese company, which had been sanctioned by the U.S. for alleged missile sales to Iran.

Turkey has been in NATO since the early years of the Cold War, playing a key role as a frontline state bordering the Soviet Union. But ties with fellow members have been strained in recent years, with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan pursuing a more assertive and independent foreign policy as conflict engulfed neighboring Iraq and Syria. Tensions with the U.S. mounted over U.S. support for Kurdish militants in Syria that Turkey considers terrorists, and the relationship with the European Union soured as the bloc pushed back against what it sees as Turkey’s increasingly autocratic turn. Last month, Germany decided to withdraw from the main NATO base in Turkey, Incirlik, after Turkey refused to allow German lawmakers to visit troops there.

Turkey ‘Disappointed’
The missile deal with Russia “is a clear sign that Turkey is disappointed in the U.S. and Europe,” said Konstantin Makienko, an analyst at the Center for Analysis and Technology, a Moscow think-tank. “But until the advance is paid and the assembly begins, we can’t be sure of anything.”

The Russian system would not be compatible with other NATO defense systems, but also wouldn’t be subject to the same constraints imposed by the alliance, which prevents Turkey from deploying such systems on the Armenian border, Aegean coast or Greek border, the official said. The Russian deal would allow Turkey to deploy the missile defense systems anywhere in the country, the official said.

‘Know-How’


For Turkey, the key aspect of any deal is transfer of technology or know-how, the Turkish official said. Turkey wants to be able to produce its own advanced defense systems, and the Russian agreement to allow two of the S-400 batteries to be produced in Turkey would serve that aim, the official said.
“There are a lot of different levels of technology transfer,” and any offer to Turkey would probably be limited in terms of sophistication, said Makienko, the Moscow-based analyst. “For Turkey to be able to copy the S-400 system, it would have to spend billions to create a whole new industry.”

The S-400 is designed to detect, track and then destroy aircraft, drones or missiles. It’s Russia’s most advanced integrated air defense system, and can hit targets as far as 250 miles away. Russia has also agreed to sell them to China and India.

The sides are currently sorting out technical details and it could take about one year to finalize the project, the Turkish official said. One battery may be available earlier if Russia decides to divert it from another country, the official added. The missiles are not ready to sell off-the-shelf and Russia will have to produce the batteries before delivering them, the official said.

The official said the systems delivered to Turkey would not have a friend-or-foe identification system, which means they could be deployed against any threat without restriction.

U.S. and European rivals have also bid to co-produce missile defense systems with Turkey, as it seeks partnerships allowing it to enhance its domestic arms production amid a military buildup in the region.

Disagreements between Turkey, which has the second-largest army by personnel numbers in NATO, and the U.S., the bloc’s biggest military, have also impacted business. No U.S. companies bid for a Turkish attack helicopter contract in 2006 after Turkey insisted on full access to specific software codes, which the U.S. refused to share, considering it a security risk. Turkey partnered with Italy instead in a $3 billion project to co-produce 50 attack helicopters for its army.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-agree-to-pay-2-5b-for-4-russian-s-400-sams

Source is Bloomberg but I don't know how reliable this story is. Besides, I always thought that Russia generally does not agree on producing (ToT) such systems in foreign countries? Why this sudden change of mind?

Congratulations to Turkey! Another step in the direction of self reliance!
 
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When TURKEY shot down a Russian jet which violated Turkeys airspace,

After that incident, Erdogan realized the trap and reached for Putin

NATO CLEARLY stated its support for Turkey. Your lies are obvious.
That support can be seen in south of Turkey, for Kurds. That's why Turks are amazed at that alliance. You don't need to pretend to be truthful, as you are that what you are pretending.


Turkey and the rest of NATO are not in agreement on who are terrorists.
Turkey simply has not been able to produce convincing arguments.

What if Turkey starts helping the people in Europe, declared terrorist by NATO ?

I therefore doubt that your fantasies would be implemented by Turkey.
You can make a person fool for only a certain period, with of course fantasy.
Turks are fed up of EU and no more running for it. You can see that in recent Erdogan's statements.
 
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Congratulations to Turkey! Another step in the direction of self reliance!
Another step of disloyalty.
Why am I not surprised?

After that incident, Erdogan realized the trap and reached for Putin


That support can be seen in south of Turkey, for Kurds. That's why Turks are amazed at that alliance. You don't need to pretend to be truthful, as you are that what you are pretending.

You can make a person fool for only a certain period, with of course fantasy.
Turks are fed up of EU and no more running for it. You can see that in recent Erdogan's statements.

Erdogan felt the impact on the economy from the Russian boycott, and backed down.
When a Turkish Air Force jet shoots down a jet, it is done because of a Turkish decision.
Your ideas of a trap is ridiculous.
Turkey wanted revenge for a downed F-4 Phantom II, some years earlier.

That NATO supports Turkey in a conflict with Russia is unrelated
to the decisions for the war against ISIS.
The war against ISIS has higher priority than the feelings of a Turkish President.
Turkey has not exactly proven itself effective there, and the only actions against ISIS
has a primary goal to block Kurds.

Turkeys membership in the EU is on the backburner from both sides.
 
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Disloyalty against whom ?

The United States of America, obviously. He is flying a US flag.

A "Team Player" would say that he was sorry that Turkey could not find a solution
within the Alliance, but would respect that Turkey needs to make the best choice for Turkey.

He has shown that he is not a "Team Player".
 
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Erdogan felt the impact on the economy from the Russian boycott, and backed down.
When a Turkish Air Force jet shoots down a jet, it is done because of a Turkish decision.

There are always some excuses available. A man never runs out of excuses. I just wrote what happened in reality, and later incidents are proving my point.

you are nobody here to call yourself a truthful and others lier ! That only shows your stupidity !


Your ideas of a trap is ridiculous.

As I said recent development is proving you ridiculous

Turkey wanted revenge for a downed F-4 Phantom II, some years earlier.
That's your thinking. I don't call you a lier because of this.

That NATO supports Turkey in a conflict with Russia is unrelated
to the decisions for the war against ISIS.

That's why Turks are amazed at that alliance where they are being treated as outpost guards.

The war against ISIS has higher priority than the feelings of a Turkish President.
Turkey has not exactly proven itself effective there, and the only actions against ISIS
has a primary goal to block Kurds.

ISIS itself is mystery and there are accusations from opponents on Godfather of NATO.

Turkeys membership in the EU is on the backburner from both sides.
When economies weaker than Turkey are allowed to enter EU, then there's certainly something else and Turks exactly know that something else.
 
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Another step of disloyalty.
Why am I not surprised?
Turkey , based on it's history , is loyal to no one but itself. You can rant and spread BS as much as you wish.
In your POV , western oppressors , they are Negro Muslims as well as other Muslim nations. So Mind your limits kid, this is a Muslim forum.
 
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