TuAF Alternative to F-35?

[Viet]

I don't think the U.S. will drive Turkey out of the F-35 as there are way too many deep industry linkages at this stage (with Turkish companies involved in the supply channel). Even after Canada flaked, LM is still issuing F-35 work to Canadian companies. Another example is Airbus DS sending A400M work to South Africa, even though South Africa also withdrew from buying A400Ms itself. It's tough to burn business activity bridges. Moreover, Turkey is among those countries that is committed to fulfilling its F-35 orders, providing necessary scale for the platform.

If I am not mistaken Turkey makes 700 parts for F35, but only 2 or 3 as sole provider. If Turkey is out, other companies, that were beaten in the first round, will make the parts. Technically it’s not a problem at all. Certainly it costs a bit more, it causes delay. But once the replacement is in place in one year, Turkey is forgotten.

 

[Timur]

Why should I hate the most

Why should I hate the fighter whose project my country involved in? Just because an otocratic histeris got offended with his former partners?

you dont get my point its not about hate but about the love in the hearts of the ppl...

yeah I cant understand ppl who love to be victims.. the state is in stockholm syndrome like its inhabitants.. ppl wont change, some leaders say do this do that still they drive in mercedes.. the big ones cannot change and the little ones are the same.. the one with mercedes the other with his smaller budget its just an iphone.. or an coca cola or almonds..

some ppl are waving flags talking big and crying over things they would never try to change.. like the stupidos who waved flags during celebration of victory of the 15 july coup and shouting allhau akbar while the adhan was annouced its better to drive in cars and shout.. its just a bizarre human nature..

the end could look like this we are getting f35 and cancelling s400 because of xyz reason (co production, our own products, or other ) or we do not get f35 but still we would buy boing boing boom max like nothing happened.. we produce parts for f35 and maintain engines until someone other is ready.. because as if we do not need engines for t129 and TFX and the trainer in other fields of our economy and military..

 

[Zhukov]

Get J10b with Western and your own Avionics to replace Your F4 Phantoms. Develop TFX further as a replacement for F16 in future.
I dont know if their is any alternative currently available for F35. Perhaps a Turkish Custom Variant of Su57-T comes closest

 

[MMM-E]

The US withholding F-35 from Turkey could give Russia the chance it needs to export SU-57

Above all else, SU-57s would be able to be directly integrated with the S-400 air defense system without caveat

-- Turkish software
-- Turkish mission computer
-- Turkish electronics
-- Turkish IFF system
-- Turkish gan based AESA Radar
-- Turkish SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite
-- Turkish BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- Turkish AKBABA anti radiation missile
-- Turkish SOM Cruise Missile ( land attack/ anti ship capability

We prefer Turkish control S400 and SU-57 instead of American control F-35
Nobody can match with Turkish control S400 and SU-57 combination in the region



US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkey for endless concessions

The problems between Turkey and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner

There are serious confrontation between Turkey and the US in northern Syria ( the US support PKK/YPG terrorists who killed over 40.000 innocent people in Turkey to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity )

and the US uses FETO terrorist organization since 2013 to destroy ERDOGAN and future of Turkish people

Without US SWIFT system you can not even buy potatoes from Egypt. It's very funny speaking about using gold or decreasing imports of consuming goods which really don't have affect on Turkish economic problems.

Turkey, Russia, Iran agree to use local currencies in trade

there are not economic problems in Turkey
there are economic attacks by the US on Turkish economy

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...ter-fighter-for-turkey-infographic-comparison

 

[TheMightyBender]

The US withholding F-35 from Turkey could give Russia the chance it needs to export SU-57

Above all else, SU-57s would be able to be directly integrated with the S-400 air defense system without caveat

-- Turkish software
-- Turkish mission computer
-- Turkish electronics
-- Turkish IFF system
-- Turkish gan based AESA Radar
-- Turkish SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite
-- Turkish BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- Turkish AKBABA anti radiation missile
-- Turkish SOM Cruise Missile ( land attack/ anti ship capability

We prefer Turkish control S400 and SU-57 instead of American control F-35
Nobody can match with Turkish control S400 and SU-57 combination in the region



US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkey for endless concessions

The problems between Turkey and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner

There are serious confrontation between Turkey and the US in northern Syria ( the US support PKK/YPG terrorists who killed over 40.000 innocent people in Turkey to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity )

and the US uses FETO terrorist organization since 2013 to destroy ERDOGAN and future of Turkish people







Turkey, Russia, Iran agree to use local currencies in trade

there are not economic problems in Turkey
there are economic attacks by the US on Turkish economy

You forgot to add “-- Turkish daydreams “ to your list

 

[Bismarck]

The US withholding F-35 from Turkey could give Russia the chance it needs to export SU-57

Above all else, SU-57s would be able to be directly integrated with the S-400 air defense system without caveat

-- Turkish software
-- Turkish mission computer
-- Turkish electronics
-- Turkish IFF system
-- Turkish gan based AESA Radar
-- Turkish SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite
-- Turkish BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- Turkish AKBABA anti radiation missile
-- Turkish SOM Cruise Missile ( land attack/ anti ship capability

We prefer Turkish control S400 and SU-57 instead of American control F-35
Nobody can match with Turkish control S400 and SU-57 combination in the region



US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkey for endless concessions

The problems between Turkey and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner

There are serious confrontation between Turkey and the US in northern Syria ( the US support PKK/YPG terrorists who killed over 40.000 innocent people in Turkey to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity )

and the US uses FETO terrorist organization since 2013 to destroy ERDOGAN and future of Turkish people







Turkey, Russia, Iran agree to use local currencies in trade

there are not economic problems in Turkey
there are economic attacks by the US on Turkish economy

India get out of Pak-Fa project. Why?

 

[MMM-E]

You forgot to add “-- Turkish daydreams “ to your list

S400 with Turkish Radar software and IFF system also is a Turkish dream ?

 

[mete]

I think SU-57 is not a solution for F35. We will not use F35s for air superiority missions. We intended to use them for replacing F4-2020s.

Today we have F16 for air to air missions and F4s for air to surface missions.

F35 is a weird flying computer which is "capable of" sharing every kind of information with all other F35 around the world through both US military and Lockhead Martin servers. This is the real problem for us because we are going to have issues with USA for the next couple decades. You can not even fire missiles without approval. I do not think our military wants to rely on these jets anymore but they are trying to stay away from being at the "rejecting" side.

I do not know what they are planning bu I think at the long run we will use TFX for air superiority for replacement on F16 and we will use unmanned systems for air to surface operations generally. This is the only option if F35 is cancelled and unmanned systems are the only option we can foresee for now.

 

[MMM-E]

only in 5 years Turkey has developed T-129 Attack Helicopter with Italy and T-129 is using Turkish systems


if the US block sale of F35 to Turkey , then Turkey can develop Fighter Jet with Russia based on SU-57 using Turkish systems

Russians said that Russia is ready to develop Fighter Jets with Turkey
and in 3 years Russia-Turkey together can develop Fighter Jet based on SU-57 with Turkish systems

Russians are ready

 

[CAN_TR]

ask them ,,,,,,,,,, I dont know why India get out of Sukhoi/HAL FGFA project

The SU-57 is just a upgraded SU-27/35 with new look, in that case a wannabe "stealth".

Here why the Indians ditched it...

• The Indian AF (IAF) believes that the Sukhoi Su-57 (T-50 PAK-FA) fighter, which India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) designated the Perspective Multi-Role Fighter, does not meet its requirements for stealth, combat avionics, radars and sensors. (Source: Jane's)

If even INDIA makes such claims it means something.

 

[TheMightyBender]

The US withholding F-35 from Turkey could give Russia the chance it needs to export SU-57

Above all else, SU-57s would be able to be directly integrated with the S-400 air defense system without caveat

-- Turkish software
-- Turkish mission computer
-- Turkish electronics
-- Turkish IFF system
-- Turkish gan based AESA Radar
-- Turkish SPEWS-II self protection electronic warfare suite
-- Turkish BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air missiles
-- Turkish AKBABA anti radiation missile
-- Turkish SOM Cruise Missile ( land attack/ anti ship capability

We prefer Turkish control S400 and SU-57 instead of American control F-35
Nobody can match with Turkish control S400 and SU-57 combination in the region



US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkey for endless concessions

The problems between Turkey and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner

There are serious confrontation between Turkey and the US in northern Syria ( the US support PKK/YPG terrorists who killed over 40.000 innocent people in Turkey to destroy Turkey's territorial integrity )

and the US uses FETO terrorist organization since 2013 to destroy ERDOGAN and future of Turkish people







Turkey, Russia, Iran agree to use local currencies in trade

there are not economic problems in Turkey
there are economic attacks by the US on Turkish economy

Sometimes I wonder if you are an undercover agent of an enemy state that is trying to misinform the Turkish public and isolate Turkey. Because to be honest I dont believe anyone could genuinely be this much of a simpleton.

 

[MMM-E]

Sometimes I wonder if you are an undercover agent of an enemy state that is trying to misinform the Turkish public and isolate Turkey. Because to be honest I dont believe anyone could genuinely be this much of a simpleton.

maybe you are a professional agent of an enemy state that is trying to misinform the Turkish public and to make Turkey as slave to the US and Israel again

if the US is trying to destroy Turkey and future of Turkish people via terrorist organizations FETO and PKK/YPG
so what ? to say to the US " ok sir you can destroy Turkey "

if Turkey lose Russia , then RIP to Turkey

The SU-57 is just a upgraded SU-27/35 with new look, in that case a wannabe "stealth".

stealth ? Russian radars can detect and track American F-22s over Syria
soon all Countries will develop Radars to detect so-called stealth Fighter Jets

We dont care about stealth

SU-57 even SU-35 with Turkish systems will be enough to match with Greek F-16V , Egyptian MIG-29M2,Rafale and SU-35
also Israeli F-16 and F-15s in the region

We prefer Turkish control S400 and SU-57 , instead of American control F35 and PATRIOT ( Turkey can not use F35 and PATRIOT against Greece,Egypt and Israel )

but in reality not Russia or Iran but the US,Greece,Egypt and Israel are threat to Turkey , in Syria , Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean ,

 

[UkroTurk]

Russians obey US economic sanctions on Iran. They dragged their companies away Iran.

Triple agreement using local currency yet exists , it doesn't work!

 

[Timur]

but in reality not Russia or Iran but the US,Greece,Egypt and Israel are threat to Turkey , in Syria , Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

You are dreaming nor Russia nor Iran can be excluded from the list.. Turkey has not much allies

Specially Russia does only car for herself...!!!!!!!!! !

A su57 with turkish radars turkish weapons turkish software data link and so on would be an option if it would be ready much more before tfx and I doubt that it would be ready soon