TuAF Alternative to F-35?

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

JF-17 as a stop gap (if the US is mad and will covers f-16 logistics in future)

The only long-term alternative is to accelerate the F-X project. The other medium-term solution is to enter into a larger body business through Hurjet accumulation. Also , Project Azm , Turkish F-X and Tempest are may be separate projects, but they may have the highest level of common infrastructure possible.

Today, with the decree published in the official gazette, a factory investment incentive of about 1 billion dollars has been passed. In the past few months, we had an agreement with the British company for prototype preliminary design tests.

The new facility and additional employment will prevent narrowing of existing projects
like helicopter programs UAV programs and supplies parts to wide-body aircraft manufacturers. The new plant capacity is largely planned for the F-X project.

I agree. Consolidating on one fighter design is troublesome business (see F-35), but trying to scale the core R&D across multiple projects and applications, e.g. 'heavy' (TF-X), 'medium' (Azm) and 'light' (UCAV), could be the way forward. Certainly, it should be doable in terms of electronics and munitions, but a step further into aerostructure materials, flight control, etc could be interesting.

 

[EpiiC]

There is no good alternative to the f-35 which is the best plane one can buy....

 

[rajvoSa]

Eurofighter Typhoon, tranche 3... Its most advance 4,5 generation platform with highest upgrade potential. It would also cement BAE (UK) and Turkish strategic relationship and fruther commitment of BAE and R&R with regards of TFX devolopment.

Cant believe that ppl really talk about chinese and russian fighters as alternatives.

 

[帅的一匹]

Eurofighter Typhoon, tranche 3... Its most advance 4,5 generation platform with highest upgrade potential. It would also cement BAE (UK) and Turkish strategic relationship and fruther commitment of BAE and R&R with regards of TFX devolopment.

Cant believe that ppl really talk about chinese and russian fighters as alternatives.

UK is a well know lapdog of USA, so you have no choice left

 

[Beast]

Eurofighter Typhoon, tranche 3... Its most advance 4,5 generation platform with highest upgrade potential. It would also cement BAE (UK) and Turkish strategic relationship and fruther commitment of BAE and R&R with regards of TFX devolopment.

Cant believe that ppl really talk about chinese and russian fighters as alternatives.

Becos turkey don't have choice. Trump has already embargo F-35 to Turkey. European will not side with Turkey.

 

[BHarwana]

Eurofighter Typhoon, tranche 3... Its most advance 4,5 generation platform with highest upgrade potential. It would also cement BAE (UK) and Turkish strategic relationship and fruther commitment of BAE and R&R with regards of TFX devolopment.

Cant believe that ppl really talk about chinese and russian fighters as alternatives.

Typhoon is not good there are much better options than that.

Typhoon is not good there are much better options than that.

J-10c is far better than typhoon and has wider weapons payload.

 

[帅的一匹]

be it T 129 heli or Istanbul calss frigate, as long as USA impose arms embargo on Turkey, they are done.

Typhoon is not good there are much better options than that.


J-10c is far better than typhoon and has wider weapons payload.

they need a fifth gen fighter

the only thing that Turkey can do is waiting Trump to be relieved.
quit nato is impossible, or they can vote Erdogan out

 

[BHarwana]

be it T 129 heli or Istanbul calss frigate, as long as USA impose arms embargo on Turkey, they are done.


they need a fifth gen fighter

the only thing that Turkey can do is waiting Trump to be relieved.
quit nato is impossible, or they can vote Erdogan out

You are too eager my friend Turkey will get F-35 USA is testing the waters. If Turkey is denied f-35 then USA f-35 will get delayed by 3 years if Turkey stops parts production. Turkey has already been offered PAK-FA and Turkey can produce 5th gen as well. China will be the main player here as China has already stepped into Turkey. Now it all depends what China offers.

 

[帅的一匹]

You are too eager my friend Turkey will get F-35 USA is testing the waters. If Turkey is denied f-35 then USA f-35 will get delayed by 3 years if Turkey stops parts production. Turkey has already been offered PAK-FA and Turkey can produce 5th gen as well. China will be the main player here as China has already stepped into Turkey. Now it all depends what China offers.

only if they ask

im afraid of Turkey will be on its own as they donr trust Russia and China that much either.

 

[BHarwana]

only if they ask

im afraid of Turkey will be on its own as they donr trust Russia and China that much either.

These things take time and Turkey is on its way. Trump will stay in office for some time.

 

[dBSPL]

be it T 129 heli or Istanbul calss frigate, as long as USA impose arms embargo on Turkey, they are done.


they need a fifth gen fighter

the only thing that Turkey can do is waiting Trump to be relieved.
quit nato is impossible, or they can vote Erdogan out

in both programs, the USA supplied critical subsystems are only engines.

(LM series aeroderivative gas turbines and LHTEC CTS800 series turboshafts)

Turkey has also decided to invest in both products. Turboshaft will be produced domestically and the first start for the core engine has been successfully completed. If everything goes bad, US is not the only supplier in these areas .

 

[帅的一匹]

in both programs, the USA supplied critical subsystems are only engines.

(LM series aeroderivative gas turbines and LHTEC CTS800 series turboshafts)

Turkey has also decided to invest in both products. Turboshaft will be produced domestically and the first start for the core engine has been successfully completed. If everything goes bad, US is not the only supplier in these areas .

it will be very difficult time laid ahead.

These things take time and Turkey is on its way. Trump will stay in office for some time.

both Erdogan and Trump are hardliners.

 

[BHarwana]

it will be very difficult time laid ahead.


both Erdogan and Trump are hardliners.

Erdogan is not a hardliner if he was he would have joined the USA camp already. It is western media which is portraying him. Just like they portray our New Khan and just like they show putin a kgb agent. Your perception is developed on that news because erdogan is that common in Chinese media.
Turkey is a NATO member and it will take some time for them to realise the actual motives of USA.

Regarding Turkish tech they are not in trouble for military hardware as they are quite capable and they have well invested in western tech.
The main pulling factor for Turkey will be trade with China not military. This is what I am assessing.

 

[帅的一匹]

Erdogan is not a hardliner if he was he would have joined the USA camp already. It is western media which is portraying him. Just like they portray our New Khan and just like they show putin a kgb agent. Your perception is developed on that news because erdogan is that common in Chinese media.
Turkey is a NATO member and it will take some time for them to realise the actual motives of USA.

Regarding Turkish tech they are not in trouble for military hardware as they are quite capable and they have well invested in western tech.
The main pulling factor for Turkey will be trade with China not military. This is what I am assessing.

Guellen movement plot a assasination agianst Erdgoan at the behest of USA and it failed. Erodgan realize his boss wanna kill him, so he has to fight back.

 

[LKJ86]

Erdogan is not a hardliner if he was he would have joined the USA camp already. It is western media which is portraying him. Just like they portray our New Khan and just like they show putin a kgb agent. Your perception is developed on that news because erdogan is that common in Chinese media.
Turkey is a NATO member and it will take some time for them to realise the actual motives of USA.

Regarding Turkish tech they are not in trouble for military hardware as they are quite capable and they have well invested in western tech.
The main pulling factor for Turkey will be trade with China not military. This is what I am assessing.

It is not based on western media, but on what he did in the past.