Trump’s Warning To Islamabad Has Formalised The China-Pakistan-Russia Axis

[MultaniGuy]

Lol you are making this claim with such confidence like you have conducted survey in the pushtun majority areas of Helmand , Kandahar and areas parallel to tribal belt.
If what you claim is true then how come Taliban control most of the areas in pushtun ethnic majority? A shadow group like Taliban cannot rule so effectively that they setup their local courts, administration and provide security services without the support of local masses. Thus negating your point.

Of course the Afghan Taliban is popular among the Pathans and the rest of Afghanistanis.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Of course the Afghan Taliban is popular among the Pathans and the rest of Afghanistanis.

In Urdu language we have one idiom for Indians "Nach na Jane angan terha". And if Trump administration thinks these Indians will be there salvation then best of luck lol

 

[wiseone2]

Lol you are making this claim with such confidence like you have conducted survey in the pushtun majority areas of Helmand , Kandahar and areas parallel to tribal belt.
If what you claim is true then how come Taliban control most of the areas in pushtun ethnic majority? A shadow group like Taliban cannot rule so effectively that they setup their local courts, administration and provide security services without the support of local masses. Thus negating your point.

I am not denying some Pusthuns support the Taliban. They are zero to little support in non-Pusthun areas.

 

[maximuswarrior]

In Urdu language we have one idiom for Indians "Nach na Jane angan terha". And if Trump administration thinks these Indians will be there salvation then best of luck lol

Let me tell how much of a salvation India is to the US. The humiliation 'Murica has to endure to beg Pakistan to do more for them speaks volume. Doing more is nothing more than begging. It is an admission that they need Pakistan's assistance against the Taliban. Well, they ain't getting anymore. We are done providing help to a bunch of backstabbers.

This is how it is going to be. 'Murica is going to keep pleading, but we have already made up our mind. There won't be any talks and we will also shut our supply lines. Trump is about to do something real crazy by forcing our hand. He has already made his intentions crystal clear. Only a matter of time.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

but there is also no doubt that china and Russia would prefer to have a quadruple alliance with iran in the fold. the geography of such an alliance will spare all members from facing enemies in no more than one direction: russia's underbelly will be protected by iran and pakistan, iran's back by russia and pakistan, pakistan's northeast by iran and russia, and china's vast west by pakistan and russia.

this quadruple alliance, of course, presumes that pakistan and iran can resolve their longstanding differences with each other. but it should be obvious that whatever geopolitical concessions they make to each other can be amply compensated by the bountiful security gains from this alliance.

But but Iranians were our brethren, well at least that what both of our leaders say.

It all boils to Afghanistan. Iranian and Indian interests coincide in Afghanistan. No matter how hard both of them try they won't be able to control a major Pushtun faction within Afghanistan. There are historical and religious reasons for that. Iranians will always support a Dari speaking faction, and we will always support a Pushtun faction, it is Taliban now but it was Hikmatyar's Hizb e Islami(even though they sucked at fighting Russians as compared to Massud's forces) in the 80's.

But as Iranians warm up to Talibans, there lies the opportunity for Pakistan to mediate between them and come with a power sharing formula between Pushtun south and non-Pushtun north. Growing influence of ISIS in Afghanistan can act as a catalyst for reaching such an agreement.

Currently Iranians are not thrilled by the idea of US leaving Afghanistan as they know it will fall back into Taliban hands. But once such a formula is agreed upon, we will have a common interest in US leaving the region.

People give too much importance to our relationship with KSA, and think we are bounded by some religious duty to toe their line. Which in fact is not true, it was always about economic aid we receive from them. Bhutto was the architect of this relationship, and he was a Shia. As soon as Pakistan become a bit more economically independent (or at least dependent only on China) KSA won't be able to hurt our relationship with the Iranians. The Yemen affair is a prime example of this.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

I am not denying some Pusthuns support the Taliban. They are zero to little support in non-Pusthun areas.

You certainly have no idea of the topic don't you? Do you even know what does the word khurasani means which leadership of Taliban use as symbols at the end of their names and what symbols pushtun elements use. And who is the spokes person of famous Haqqani Network . Really nice try I would say

 

[Musafir117]

I am not denying some Pusthuns support the Taliban. They are zero to little support in non-Pusthun areas.

You better change your nick to dumbone2 no one like taliboinc sx.t

 

[wiseone2]

But but Iranians were our brethren, well at least that what both of our leaders say.

It all boils to Afghanistan. Iranian and Indian interests coincide in Afghanistan. No matter how hard both of them try they won't be able to control a major Pushtun faction within Afghanistan. There are historical and religious reasons for that. Iranians will always support a Dari speaking faction, and we will always support a Pushtun faction, it is Taliban now but it was Hikmatyar's Hizb e Islami(even though they sucked at fighting Russians as compared to Massud's forces) in the 80's.

But as Iranians warm up to Talibans, there lies the opportunity for Pakistan to mediate between them and come with a power sharing formula between Pushtun south and non-Pushtun north. Growing influence of ISIS in Afghanistan can act as a catalyst for reaching such an agreement.

Currently Iranians are not thrilled by the idea of US leaving Afghanistan as they know it will fall back into Taliban hands. But once such a formula is agreed upon, we will have a common interest in US leaving the region.

People give too much importance to our relationship with KSA, and think we are bounded by some religious duty to toe their line. Which in fact is not true, it was always about economic aid we receive from them. Bhutto was the architect of this relationship, and he was a Shia. As soon as Pakistan become a bit more economically independent (or at least dependent only on China) KSA won't be able to hurt our relationship with the Iranians. The Yemen affair is a prime example of this.

KSA control Pakistan by the balls. Who is going to use CPEC if Saudis don't ?
If oil prices spike for some reason to $200 they are the only ones who will give you petroleum at a discount.
Most of the 1 million plus Pakistani expatriates are expendable

 

[Storm Force]

Russia is NOT PART of any such nexus . COMPLETE FABRICATION of Pakistani dreams & wishful thinking.

RUSSIANS are not stupid and are far more cunning and strategically savvy than any chinease & Pakistani.

Ruussians will never depart from INDIAN influence , They see a HUGE CASH COW

THE ONLY NEXUS YOU CAN HAVE is China North korea & Pakistan,,, and that clout potential is zero

IN CONTRAST

USA ISRAEL & INDIA has real potential

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Russia is NOT PART of any such nexus . COMPLETE FABRICATION of Pakistani dreams & wishful thinking.

RUSSIANS are not stupid and are far more cunning and strategically savvy than any chinease & Pakistani.

Ruussians will never depart from INDIAN influence , They see a HUGE CASH COW

THE ONLY NEXUS YOU CAN HAVE is China North korea & Pakistan,,, and that clout potential is zero

IN CONTRAST

USA ISRAEL & INDIA has real potential

That is the reason why next day Trump's speech Russian special envoy to Afghanistan supported Pakistan. I don't know why you Indians think that money is everything. If that was the case then Russian bear would not have invaded Crimea and invited the sanctions of EU.
Sometimes regional and national interests are much more imperative then economic interests.

 

[maximuswarrior]

That is the reason why next day Trump's speech Russian special envoy to Afghanistan supported Pakistan. I don't know why you Indians think that money is everything. If that was the case then Russian bear would not have invaded Crimea and invited the sanctions of EU.
Sometimes regional and national interests are much more imperative then economic interests.

Indian house negroes think they can own nations with money LOL These Indian house monkeys have been b!tchslapped so many times by their "allies". These Indian house niggers are in for a rude awakening. Indian master 'Murica is already begging Pakistan for talks. There goes Trump's tough talk right in the waste bin. LOL so much for exercising influence.

Russia is NOT PART of any such nexus . COMPLETE FABRICATION of Pakistani dreams & wishful thinking.

RUSSIANS are not stupid and are far more cunning and strategically savvy than any chinease & Pakistani.

Ruussians will never depart from INDIAN influence , They see a HUGE CASH COW

THE ONLY NEXUS YOU CAN HAVE is China North korea & Pakistan,,, and that clout potential is zero

IN CONTRAST

USA ISRAEL & INDIA has real potential

LOL says an Indian house negro who desperately begs on a daily basis on a Pakistani forum LOL You want us to take your imaginary theories seriously? What happened to your Trump prayers lately? Daddy Donnie can't even face NK LOL

 

[Jungibaaz]

The Afghan Taliban have won the war.

Why is USA then doing peace talks with them then.

Its over now, Afghan Taliban is coming back into power.

USA has no excuse to be in Afghanistan now.

The US seems more than happy to let Afghanistan continue in perpetual war if it means its own interests are secured, even if they've realised there's no beating the Taliban, the US deep state seem quite happy with the war. It's the US public that is sick of it, but even they don't see it as a major issue, hardly any US troops, and it's been going on for so long that most people have forgotten about the war. It's no longer a major issue in the political discourse in the US, which means the oligarchs of the US can handle that policy as they fit without any public scrutiny, that's bad for us, but at least it means that Afghanistan is stuck in a stalemate, where the Taliban are only waiting now to topple the wobbly and unstable kabul government.

 

[maximuswarrior]

KSA control Pakistan by the balls. Who is going to use CPEC if Saudis don't ?
If oil prices spike for some reason to $200 they are the only ones who will give you petroleum at a discount.
Most of the 1 million plus Pakistani expatriates are expendable

You first convince daddy 'Murica to ditch Pakistani supply routes. Your bluff theories don't add up. You don't attack a country which you beg to do more and rely for all sorts of assistance in a war you haven't won for 16 years LOL

 

[MultaniGuy]

The US seems more than happy to let Afghanistan continue in perpetual war if it means its own interests are secured, even if they've realised there's no beating the Taliban, the US deep state seem quite happy with the war. It's the US public that is sick of it, but even they don't see it as a major issue, hardly any US troops, and it's been going on for so long that most people have forgotten about the war. It's no longer a major issue in the political discourse in the US, which means the oligarchs of the US can handle that policy as they fit without any public scrutiny, that's bad for us, but at least it means that Afghanistan is stuck in a stalemate, where the Taliban are only waiting now to topple the wobbly and unstable kabul government.

The Americans are tired of seeing their soldiers maimed.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

KSA control Pakistan by the balls. Who is going to use CPEC if Saudis don't ?
If oil prices spike for some reason to $200 they are the only ones who will give you petroleum at a discount.
Most of the 1 million plus Pakistani expatriates are expendable

While I don't like the tone of your argument but ignoring that for a moment, let's see your argument.

What exactly is the probability of $200 per barrel. It is understood now that the oil will never even reach $100 ceiling ever again. Shale gas and renewable energy etc. Anyway if it does reach $200 then the whole world is f***** and so will be we. But we will not be affected as much as you guys. You country will see the strongest growth in Petroleum usage in the world till 2040. Last year alone you guys imported around $80 Billion worth of petroleum, and that was at less that $50 per barrel. Now at $200, quadruple that to $320 Billion, you already have a trade deficit of more than $130 Billion. So your foreign reserves will be depleted in a year. As I said we will all be f***** . But again thats not gonna happen.

Also as an Indian friend was trying to explain in another thread to my countrymen regarding Russian relationship with China and Pakistan vis a vis India, that International diplomacy does not work like school playground.

We can work with Iran while still staying at friendly terms with Saudis. We did not take part it their Yemeni debacle, and people were saying that our relationship with them is lost forever. But their armed forces were parading on our republic day, their air force was performing on our independence day, we are still training their forces and yes we are still benefiting from them economically.

You think we can not afford to lose KSA, but KSA also doesn't afford to lose us either. They can't afford to make an enemy out of Pakistan by kicking out our expatriates. They are already at odds with one regional power of muslim countries, do you think they will be foolish enough to make another.