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Trump’s Warning To Islamabad Has Formalised The China-Pakistan-Russia Axis

KSA does not need Pakistan. They need not kick Pakistani expatriates out. They can reduce Pakistani expatriates to the same numbers as Bangladeshis on per captia basis. They can sell oil to Pakistan. Maybe no discounts like others.

High oil prices hurt India. India has the money to keep going for a while. Right now Pakistan won't survive even a year.

What is the use of CPEC if the Saudis nix it ?
Sir it seems your grip on geo-politics is not that great, so let me put it in most layman terms.

1. We provide Saudis with Nuclear umbrella, mainly because they funded the bloody program. It is no secret that Saudis have nuclear aspirations, but under the current world scenario they can't really acquire some of their own. They have a regional rival who has a pretty advanced missile program and a nuclear program as well. Now whether we will deliver on our promises when the push come to shove, nobody knows, but a simple threat of nuclear backlash can be helpful in KSA's case to avoid a complete annihilation.

2. Now as you would know KSA is a monarchy, and is still a tribal society by and large. So what if the regime faces a coup or a rebellion. Keep in mind their most oil rich provinces have a Shia majority.

Do you think they can call on US for help. That will be suicidal. You know why Al-Qaeda was created in the first place, because of the INFIDEL forces presence in the gulf. Now if those Infidel forces are bombing the Saudia proper, and that includes Hijaz our Holy land, how long do you think regime will survive.

Again keep in mind, this is a regime which spent billions of dollars to win over its populace with free social programs during the Arab Spring. So they are scared.

They will have to call on their Muslim allies. Now there are only 3 Sunni Muslim countries who have the muscle to help the Saudis in this case. Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan. Why do you think KSA supported Sisi like the way they did. Turkey of course will not want a part of this action. Pakistan will not shy away from such an opportunity. Remember we helped Bahrain quell their rebellion, and we did not even send our regular troops there.

So whether you like it or not, Pakistan-KSA relationship is there to stay. And next time if you quote me come up with some logical statement instead of illogical hoo ha
 
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That's the reason why you don't understand the relationship. I have lived in KSA and my father has spent 22 years of his life there.. He had some friends with Royal family reach as well.

Anyway, KSA will not be affected by the US's policy on Afghanistan.. On the contrary, it may be the case that it again gives a billion dollar worth of oil on extremely easy terms every year like it did when Pakistan first tested its nuclear bomb and US put econmic sanctions. At that time, KSA was nearer to the US even then it didn't give two hoots to what US or Europe thought about putting sanctions..



What you call Canon Fodder and we call brotherly help, Pakistan refused to help KSA in Yemen. Even then Saudi forces participated for the first time on Pakistan day Parade..

I am telling you man, you will not understand.. it is really really complicated..

And for US to maintain its influence, its courts must drop the charges on Saudi government over 9/11 saga..

Actually after all of our disagreements with KSA on many issues, KSA has displayed quite a lot of patience and love for Pakistan. Remember that only public threat that came from a GCC state of dire consequences to Pakistan on Yemen issue was from UAE. KSA stayed silent because they know that we will not leave them alone if their territorial integrity is threatened especially of the Hijaz.
 
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When an anti-Muslim bigot like Trump comes to town the Saudis roll a red carpet for him.

There was a reason for this red carpet welcome.

In other news..

http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/closer-ties-china-and-saudi-arabia-sign-70-billion-in-new-deals/


ex-army chief do not get a chance to speak.

What? Who wants to get a chance to speak when he is heading an alliance of 33 countries?

The Saudi King participated in India's Republic Day parade.

:o:o_O:o:o_O:o:o_O:o:o_O

The US courts will drop the charges on Saudis.

When they do, please let me know.. Anyway, the damage has already been done..


Man, seriously, you don't have any idea. Your information is poorly sourced.. please get a grip on the topic being discussed here..

Sir it seems your grip on geo-politics is not that great, so let me put it in most layman terms.

1. We provide Saudis with Nuclear umbrella, mainly because they funded the bloody program. It is no secret that Saudis have nuclear aspirations, but under the current world scenario they can't really acquire some of their own. They have a regional rival who has a pretty advanced missile program and a nuclear program as well. Now whether we will deliver on our promises when the push come to shove, nobody knows, but a simple threat of nuclear backlash can be helpful in KSA's case to avoid a complete annihilation.

2. Now as you would know KSA is a monarchy, and is still a tribal society by and large. So what if the regime faces a coup or a rebellion. Keep in mind their most oil rich provinces have a Shia majority.

Do you think they can call on US for help. That will be suicidal. You know why Al-Qaeda was created in the first place, because of the INFIDEL forces presence in the gulf. Now if those Infidel forces are bombing the Saudia proper, and that includes Hijaz our Holy land, how long do you think regime will survive.

Again keep in mind, this is a regime which spent billions of dollars to win over its populace with free social programs during the Arab Spring. So they are scared.

They will have to call on their Muslim allies. Now there are only 3 Sunni Muslim countries who have the muscle to help the Saudis in this case. Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan. Why do you think KSA supported Sisi like the way they did. Turkey of course will not want a part of this action. Pakistan will not shy away from such an opportunity. Remember we helped Bahrain quell their rebellion, and we did not even send our regular troops there.

So whether you like it or not, Pakistan-KSA relationship is there to stay. And next time if you quote me come up with some logical statement instead of illogical hoo ha

This guy @wiseone2 is probably trolling here.. he doesn't seem to have knowledge of the geopolitical issues and needs surrounding Pakistan and KSA..
 
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There was a reason for this red carpet welcome.

In other news..

http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/closer-ties-china-and-saudi-arabia-sign-70-billion-in-new-deals/




What? Who wants to get a chance to speak when he is heading an alliance of 33 countries?



:o:o_O:o:o_O:o:o_O:o:o_O



When they do, please let me know.. Anyway, the damage has already been done..


Man, seriously, you don't have any idea. Your information is poorly sourced.. please get a grip on the topic being discussed here..



This guy @wiseone2 is probably trolling here.. he doesn't seem to have knowledge of the geopolitical issues and needs surrounding Pakistan and KSA..
Well, he is a troll and there is a reason he made to my ignores-list. But the discussion you and @Sharpshooter12 have is quite interesting and informative and may benefit other non-troll members.
 
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Sir it seems your grip on geo-politics is not that great, so let me put it in most layman terms.

1. We provide Saudis with Nuclear umbrella, mainly because they funded the bloody program. It is no secret that Saudis have nuclear aspirations, but under the current world scenario they can't really acquire some of their own. They have a regional rival who has a pretty advanced missile program and a nuclear program as well. Now whether we will deliver on our promises when the push come to shove, nobody knows, but a simple threat of nuclear backlash can be helpful in KSA's case to avoid a complete annihilation.

2. Now as you would know KSA is a monarchy, and is still a tribal society by and large. So what if the regime faces a coup or a rebellion. Keep in mind their most oil rich provinces have a Shia majority.

Do you think they can call on US for help. That will be suicidal. You know why Al-Qaeda was created in the first place, because of the INFIDEL forces presence in the gulf. Now if those Infidel forces are bombing the Saudia proper, and that includes Hijaz our Holy land, how long do you think regime will survive.

Again keep in mind, this is a regime which spent billions of dollars to win over its populace with free social programs during the Arab Spring. So they are scared.

They will have to call on their Muslim allies. Now there are only 3 Sunni Muslim countries who have the muscle to help the Saudis in this case. Turkey, Egypt and Pakistan. Why do you think KSA supported Sisi like the way they did. Turkey of course will not want a part of this action. Pakistan will not shy away from such an opportunity. Remember we helped Bahrain quell their rebellion, and we did not even send our regular troops there.

So whether you like it or not, Pakistan-KSA relationship is there to stay. And next time if you quote me come up with some logical statement instead of illogical hoo ha
Saudi Arabia cannot get nuclear weapons because they are signatories of NPT
 
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You can rationalize all you want

What is the connection ? Trump was the center of attention. He got to speak. Your PM and army chief did not.
Trump is no ordinary American President. He has called for ban on Muslim immigrants from selected countries.


What? Who wants to get a chance to speak when he is heading an alliance of 33 countries?

if he had real power and authority he would have been speaking. That is what leaders do.
5 years from now this alliance will go the way of CENTO and SEATO. remember those
 
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From long back I had argued that US plan around Pakistan-Afghanistan theater is to be patron of terrorism - "US backed and trained, gulf state funded and india operated" terrorism. Geo politically US can not compete with Russia and China and their growing spoken and unspoken alliance (SCO, BRIC, BRI, EUasian Union, AIIB etc.). US mindset (establishment, media and think tanks etc) are collectively wired towards war and conflict and incapable of thinking any other way BUT disrupting and waging war using terrorist proxy. We have seen that in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Chechnya and in Afghanistan. US and its method of war using proxy, lost in Syria and Iraq theaters. Now US focus is to intensify same proxy war using terrorist operated by india. That is why US policy specifically asked indian contribution and india immediately and wholeheartedly embraced US policy. Ultimate US goal are to disrupt BRI (formally known as OBR) and EUrasian integration. Pakistan (1) having the strategic location, (2) hosting crucial component for BRI and EUrasian integration and (3) being gateway to Afghanistan and to heart of BRI and Eurasian union; US policy is gunning Pakistan and trying to browbeat to follow its wishes. But following US wishes means Pakistan will cease to exist as country and more US directed and india operated death and destruction will be imposed on Pakistan. Russia, China, Iran and Turkey all important players aware of US game plan very well. That is why immediately after US policy announcement, China and Russia vocally denounced US and sided with Pakistan. Point is, US Afghan policy statement directed against Pakistan is just facade, real US goal is to remove Pakistan from BRI and EUrasian roadmap and use Afghanistan as staging ground for another long proxy terrorist war against Russian and Chinese initiatives and ultimately against Iran and Turkey as well.

Read the article reached the same conclusion....

Why Jihadism Won’t Be Allowed to Die

16:56 31.08.2017
Pepe Escobar

A serious working hypothesis is being discussed for a while now among independent geopolitical analysts. Here it is, in a nutshell.

Daesh may be dying – but the world is still encumbered with its walking corpse. Plan B of Daesh’s masters may have been to indoctrinate repeated waves of misguided youth across the EU and “seduce” them into D.I. Y. jihadi terror, creating fear and insecurity in Europe. I’ve just been to Barcelona — and that’s not happening. No Fear.

Daesh can also manipulate its brand name to stake a claim into what we may call the New War Belt in Southwest Asia. That’s also not happening, because the “4+1” – Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, plus Hezbollah – with the addition of Turkey, and with China in a “leading from behind” role, are all working together.

The unfinished war across “Syraq” coupled with spasms of jihadism in Europe could certainly still metastasize into a massive Eurasian cancer, spreading like a plague from Afghanistan to Germany and vice-versa, and from the South China Sea to Brussels via Pakistan and vice-versa.

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© AFP 2017/ Tauseef MUSTAFA
Dead Daesh Terrorists Still 'Alive', Scrounging Swedish Benefits
What would happen under this cataclysmic scenario is the complete derailment of the Chinese-driven New Silk Roads, a.k.a. Belt and Road Initiative (BRI); its integration with the Russia-driven Eurasia Economic Union (EAEC); and a massive security threat to the domestic stability of the Russia-China strategic partnership, with uncontrollable bellicose scenarios developing very close to their borders.
It’s no secret which elements and institutions would very much cherish internal political chaos in both Russia and China.

Charlie gets stronger

Dr. Zbig “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski may be dead, but geopolitics is still encumbered with his corpse. Brzezinski’s life obsession is that no peer competitor to the US should be allowed to emerge. Imagine as he lay dying contemplating the ongoing, ultimate nightmare; a Russia-China pan-Eurasian alliance.

The less disastrous scenario in this case would be to seduce either Moscow or Beijing into becoming a US partner, based on which one would pose a lesser “threat” in the future. Brzezinski focused on Russia as the immediate threat and China as the long game threat.

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© AP Photo/ South Korean Defense Ministry, File
China Won't Allow War at Its Door Amid US-S Korea Drills, North's Missile Launch
Thus the obsession of the US deep state and the Clinton machine in demonizing all things Russia – like an infantile neo-McCarthyism on steroids. Inevitably, what this geopolitical back hole has precipitated is China’s even more rapid advance on all fronts.
Not to mention that the Russia-China strategic partnership kept getting stronger every day – an eerie echo of Capt. Willard’s line in Coppola’s Apocalypse Now; “Every minute I stay in this room I get weaker, every minute Charlie squats in the bush, he gets stronger”.

And yet Charlie is not squatting; he’s conquering via trade and investment. And he’s not in the bush; he’s all over the Eurasian plains.

A basket of Hobbesian flare-ups

The other American dalang, Henry Kissinger, is still alive, at 94. Advising President Trump before the January inauguration, and posing as the supreme gray eminence on China matters, he suggested Russia should be courted.

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© Sputnik/ Vladimir Fedorenko
Iran Expects to Get Over $26Bln in Loans From Foreign States as 'Outstanding Result' of Nuclear Deal
But then came the clincher. Clearly identifying that the Russia-China-Iran alliance holds the key to Eurasia integration, Kissinger revealed his true colors; it’s the weakest link – Iran – that should be neutralized.
Thus his recent proclamation/warning about an “Iranian radical empire” developing/stretching from Tehran to Beirut as the “vacuum” left by Daesh is filled by the Persians.

And here we have Kissinger once again as the unreconstructed Cold Warrior that he is; exit Communism, enter Khomeinism as the supreme “evil.” And may the Lord bask in praise of the Wahhabi matrix of jihadism enablers; the House of Saud.

The Kissingerian recipe sounds like music to the US deep state; Daesh should not be routed, it should be “realigned” as a tool against Iran.

Who cares that the notion of an “Iranian radical empire” per se does not even qualify as a joke? Lebanon is multicultural. Syria will continue to be ruled by the secular Baath Party. Iraq rejects Khomeinism – with tremendously influential Ayatollah Sistani privileging the parliamentary system.

The “4+1” – backed by China — have forged a serious alliance in the fire of the Syrian war. None of this will change by a Kissinger decree. As for “filling the vacuum”, the alternative is Daesh and Jabhat al-Nusra, a.k.a. al-Qaeda in Syria. “But wait!” — say the neocons/neoliberalcons of the War Party. “We like that!”

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© AP Photo/ Massoud Hossaini
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And that brings us full circle to the initial working hypothesis. Daesh won’t be allowed to die – as much as the geopolitical re-engineering of what Dr. Zbig used to call the “Eurasian Balkans” refuses to die.
ISIS-Khorasan, or ISIS-K – that regroup in Afghanistan – can be so handy to wreak havoc in the intersection of Central Asia and South Asia, so close to key BRI development corridors.

Moscow and Beijing though, know exactly what’s goin’ on. The phony Caliphate was useful in an attempt to break off BRI across “Syraq”, as much as Maidan in Ukraine was useful to break off the EAEU. Other war fronts will follow – from the Philippines to Venezuela, all bent on disrupting regional integration projects under a Divide and Rule strategy of US satraps manipulated into Hobbesian asymmetrical flare-ups.

Sixteen years after 9/11, the name of the game is not GWOT (Global War on Terror) anymore; is how, under the cover of GWOT, to disturb geostrategic expansion by the people who matter; “peer competitors” Russia and China.

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201708311056961308-jihadism-will-not-die/
 
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USA does not care for Syria. USA choose not to topple Assad but let the civil war keep going.
80% of populace is opposed to Assad. he is dead meat anyway.

Taliban is no political reality. the 50-60% non-Pusthun majority do not like the Taliban
"USA does not care for Syria" - Correct.
"USA choose not to topple Assad but let the civil war keep going." Not so correct. The Zionist led US did want a regime change but Russia stepped in. That is the difference.

The Afghan Taliban are a political reality, how else can one explain the fact they control significant areas of their country?

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...f-country-under-the-control-of-mujahideen.php
 
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Why would Russia enter into such an alliance? Pakistan has no money and China does not respect intellectual property. India has money and respects Russian intellectual property.
India has money True! and respects Russian intellectual property,haha what a hilarious joke,you only indicate your military incompetence that is all!
 
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