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Trump’s Request for India’s Help in Afghanistan Rattles Pakistan

The thing is, we are a peaceful nation, but the day we come for you, nor you, nor your army, nor your godfather china or america will be able to save you. We havent ever planned attack on you yet. Our actions have been reciprocation

India isn't peaceful, they are just cowards. They just like to stab in the back or fire from another shoulder. But as soon as time comes to fight head on they step back and that's why India will never send troops to Afghanistan because they fear Pakistan.
 
India will never send troops to Afghanistan because they fear Pakistan.
No.
We are smart.
Sending troops to a country where the people support an Islamist Talibani Govt. is not sensible. Attrition will be high and supply routes are non existent.
 
By SALMAN MASOODAUG. 22, 2017

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President Trump speaking Monday in Fort Myer, Va. His comments could open a turbulent new chapter in relations with Pakistan. Credit Al Drago for The New York Times
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — President Trump’s appeal for India’s help on Afghanistan set off alarm bells on Tuesday in Pakistan, where officials warned that the approach risked jolting a tumultuous relationship. They also expressed relief that Mr. Trump did not call for abrupt reductions in military aid to Pakistan, which the United States has long accused of going easy on militants.

As part of Mr. Trump’s new plan for addressing the 16-year United States conflict in Afghanistan, he asked India — which Pakistan has historically seen as its enemy — to “help us more,” especially with economic assistance.

Mr. Trump also reiterated his predecessors’ calls that Islamabad crack down on militant groups that have waged attacks from bases in Pakistani territory.

“We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting,” Mr. Trump said on Monday, although he stopped short of cutting off military aid, as some Pakistani elites had feared.

Pakistan and United States have long had a troubled relationship, increasingly strained by differences over Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan. Even before American military and intelligence operatives tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, American officials chided the Pakistan’s military and intelligence agency as harboring or turning a blind eye to militants.

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Pakistani officials, in turn, have cited Indian influence as a primary cause of instability and insecurity in Afghanistan.

Even before Mr. Trump unveiled his strategy on Monday, Islamabad was apprehensive and concerned.

The Pakistani military has been at the forefront of formulating the country’s foreign policy and has taken the lead in defining the contours of Islamabad’s relationship with Afghanistan and India. The civilian government has very little say, if any, in these policy initiatives.

Pakistani officials said they expected private contractors to take a more dominant role than troops already in Afghanistan.

Sehar Kamran, an opposition lawmaker senator who leads an Islamabad- based think tank, sad that Mr. Trump’s plan appeared to be “more of the same, under much more colorful language and contradictory bluster.”

“The shift from a timeline-oriented approach to a condition-based one, I think, is only the vocalization of a longstanding practice,” she said, adding. “What is concerning for Pakistan, however, is the contradiction within his statement that expresses both an acknowledgment of the country’s sacrifices while simultaneously downplaying them by continuing accusations of ‘sheltering terrorists,’ and doing not enough with billions and billions paid by America.”

Ms. Kamran said that pushing India to play a stronger role inside Afghanistan would isolate Washington’s friends in Islamabad “without realizing, understanding or perhaps deliberately underestimating the impact of increasing Indian presence on Pakistan’s western border.”

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“An unnecessary flexing of military muscles and the deployment of additional troops at this time will only undo much that has been achieved over many years diplomatically, and serve to further antagonize regional countries like Pakistan, China, and Russia,” she said.

Analysts said Pakistan’s dependence on American aid had declined in recent years — partly as China flexes its military might in South Asia — giving policy makers in Islamabad more room to maneuver.

“Pakistan is prepared to absorb the impact of a more assertive U.S. policy toward the country,” said Arif Rafiq, a nonresident fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “It’s the most economically stable that it’s been in a decade, thanks in part to massive Chinese investment, and it has managed to secure much of its border regions despite the withdrawal of most U.S. combat forces.”

Mr. Rafiq said that Pakistan also knows that it has several options to counter punitive actions by Washington, including closing supply routes to Afghanistan.

“I think what Pakistan hopes for is the U.S. to engage it as a partner in Afghanistan, rather than as a contractor deputed to arrest or kill insurgent leaders named by Washington,” Mr. Rafiq said. “That requires coordination on border security and a structured dialogue process with the Taliban. I think Islamabad will remain rather firm in steering its engagement with both Kabul and Washington in that direction.”

Other analysts offered an even more scathing view of Mr. Trump’s speech.

“By inviting India to be more active in Afghanistan, Trump has confirmed the worst fears of Pakistan’s generals: that America is in cahoots with India against Pakistan,” said Mosharraf Zaidi, a foreign-policy analyst in Islamabad.

“There may never be a perfect approach to convince Pakistan to abandon the Haqqani network, but this speech was a terrible attempt,” Mr. Zaidi said, referring to the Pakistan-based militant group that has been blamed for most of the deadly attacks inside Afghanistan.

However, Maria Sultan, a defense analyst based in Islamabad, said the Trump policy was “not as bad as we were expecting. The responsibility has been essentially shifted to Afghanistan.”

She warned that intelligence based operations against groups inside Pakistan might increase. “This will further reduce the space for cooperation between Pakistan and U.S. and will be counterproductive for a long-term relationship,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/asia/pakistan-trump-afghanistan-india.html
India must NEVER set foot in the Afghan lands.
No territory can be gained there as long as the demography there does not change. India has nothing to gain from this.
 
Did Mr. Trump ever take a class of basic geography? Because the last time I checked, India doesn't border Afghanistan and the other access routes don't appear to be so favorable, except for causing manageable nuisance.

So, where exactly would this direct Indian help come from? Through Iran? From above China or Pakistan? Thorough the mountains of Central Asia, perhaps?

What an inexperienced impulse-driven President of USA fails to realize is that here's no victory in Afghanistan, without Pakistan getting on board. Doubt that? Go ahead with the policy of isolation and blame shifting, you will see yourself standing on square-one in a couple years time-frame.

i am sure Trump is following Indian map in which they have direct border with Afghanistan. Modi and Trump both are living in vedic world to corner Pakistan when we are in strongest position since 2001.
 
Nothing new
Same old crap
Just big mouth running off his mouth
Like he does everyday

Only redneck hillbillies and Indians take him serious
 
US giving India more space in Afghanistan is Pakistan's bad dream come true. India will happily oblige US's request.



India will increase Military assistance to Afghanistan...and train more Afghan forces. This surely will increase India's presence and influence in Afghanistan...this will rattle Pakistan more than US increasing troops or calling Pakistan terror haven or even the threat of sanctions and cutting aid.
Taliban are anti-American... India helps the US, more Indians inside Afghanistan die.... it's as simple as this!
US doesn't want to build up Afghanistan, they do not want to spend money on Afghan people, they want India to do it for them - What do we lose?
 
We may increase the scale of assistance..... But No boots on ground.. not from Indian Army to the say least.....
Let us agree it is a mess and it is better to be safe in that mess....
haha so the truth finally comes out.

Indians know having no fighting experience in the last 20 years except blinding and killing innocent stone pelters in kashmir means Indian armed forces are no where near ready to be part of any war in Afghanistan as the taliban will make mince meat out of them.

Atleast you guys know the ground reality now. Stay well away from this mess Trump is trying to drag you in. trust me i will grab the popcorn and watch with much excitement if India sends foot soldiers into Afghanistan.

No proud afghan will let any hindu soldier dictate to them thats very much clear
 
haha so the truth finally comes out.

Indians know having no fighting experience in the last 20 years except blinding and killing innocent stone pelters in kashmir means Indian armed forces are no where near ready to be part of any war in Afghanistan as the taliban will make mince meat out of them.

Atleast you guys know the ground reality now. Stay well away from this mess Trump is trying to drag you in. trust me i will grab the popcorn and watch with much excitement if India sends foot soldiers into Afghanistan.

No proud afghan will let any hindu soldier dictate to them thats very much clear

Mr Cup Cake. Does India share a land border with Afghanistan ? Indian troops can beat the Taliban like a drum for 1000 years. It is not our fight.
 
lol @ rattling pakistan- Trump is widely considered a complete baffoon and has made U.S laughing stock of the world their country is more divided than ever and reputation and relations with their allies are at an all time low. I don't think pakistanis are worried too much about the tangerine tyrant.
 
Mr Cup Cake. Does India share a land border with Afghanistan ? Indian troops can beat the Taliban like a drum for 1000 years. It is not our fight.
:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

So whats stopping you guys from helping your new daddy USA, after Trump publicly called India out to help in Afghanistan.

Lets not play dumb here, Indian army HQ is having sleepless nights just thinking about what the Afghans will do to your veggie army soldiers that are used to blinding and killing innocent stone pelters and complaining about the lack of ingredients in their food.

Anyway you guys should help your new alley American win the war, we pakistanis will grab the popcorn and watch with much interest.
 
haha so the truth finally comes out.

Indians know having no fighting experience in the last 20 years except blinding and killing innocent stone pelters in kashmir means Indian armed forces are no where near ready to be part of any war in Afghanistan as the taliban will make mince meat out of them.

Atleast you guys know the ground reality now. Stay well away from this mess Trump is trying to drag you in. trust me i will grab the popcorn and watch with much excitement if India sends foot soldiers into Afghanistan.

No proud afghan will let any hindu soldier dictate to them thats very much clear
Lol... The idea is denying "Strategic Deapth" To my neighbour.. .. and we are successful in that...
 
As many have posted on this board: clearly Indian attempts to isolate Pakistan have failed.
 
Trump in other wants India to participate in more terrorist activities against Pakistan. This is one of the reason why Pakistan needs to continue fencing the border & monitor it by armed drones, any violator should he shot without warning. Also the national security threat Afghan refugees should be kicked out of Pakistan for good as most of them are involved in all aorta of terrorist activities against Pakistan & hired by India.
 
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