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Actually 1.3 million but with estimates of about 3 million dead people and illegals "voting" for Clinton.

Right,totally defeated,.........................................................................................................................................................


By winning the Presidency,having majority in both Houses and soon in the Supreme Court.

The end result projections have Clinton up by 2 million popular vote.

And LOL at you for being so naive on purpose. Politics is important bc of control of culture through legislation.

Culture is always most important. Not politics. Guess who has already won on the cultural front on permanent level? Left :) not only in America but all over Europe too. And it's irreversible now.

For example, just this elections where "right won"...Marijuana legalization proposals won 100% of the times :lol: But hey, right is winning lmao.

Show me one major cultural shift that happened in the USA post 1950s that was right wing and not liberal/left. Just one.

I can show you tens upon tens of major changes all happening towards liberalism/left across Europe and America post 1950's.

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I can show you tens upon tens of major changes all happening towards liberalism/left across Europe and America post 1950's.

And you're celebrating this,because ? You do know that they advocate globalisation and altough muslims in Western countries are now allies this will end as their end goal is globalisation and erasing local cultures by creating a melting pot.It will not stop at erasing white,Christian conservatorism.

ok, you are a Christian Gypsy who knows absolutely nothing about History and apparently can't read basic english. Your support of Isabitch shows that you are scum.

lol,Triggered.When outsmarted,go for ridiculous insults.

You're ridiculous,on one hand they became natives because they were there for more than 300 years,on the other the Spanish can't be natives altough they have been there for 500 years.It amazes me that you can be that stupid.
 
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You are getting far too ahead of yourself. Trump was chosen by the American people because they want to make America great again. You cannot drag Pakistan into your "make America great again" scheme. Trump can scream and shout all kinds of rhetoric which might affect his country. As soon as he starts sowing trouble and poking his nose in world affairs Trump will find out very crudely how the world works. Trump might be great to many Americans. To most of the world he is just a clown. He shouldn't forget his place. It is better for the US to remain isolationist under Trump. Just work on making America great again. Going the Bush or Obama way is going to hurt the US badly. Even more so under Trump.
Did you even watch the video ? It's typical TYT (who nobody should take seriously) fear mongering and wild speculation about his cabinet picks, they speak of one Clare Lopez, who has some interesting views on world affairs.

I made the Christine Fair comment in jest.

also, it's been a treat reading your posts on Trump and America lately, keep panicking. :lol:
 
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Did you even watch the video ? It's typical TYT (who nobody should take seriously) fear mongering and wild speculation about his cabinet picks, they speak of one Clare Lopez, who has some interesting views on world affairs.

I made the Christine Fair comment in jest.

also, it's been a treat reading your posts on Trump and America lately, keep panicking. :lol:

I didn't respond to the TYT video. My response was to your Christine Fair comment and you know this very well. You got your answer.

No one cares about clown America anymore LMAO A comedian leading the most powerful nation on earth. You are fired LMAO The joke is on you. The rest of the world couldn't care less. Make America great again as much as you like. Don't fvck around with the rest. That's the message.
 
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And you're celebrating this,because ? You do know that they advocate globalisation and altough muslims in Western countries are now allies this will end as their end goal is globalisation and erasing local cultures by creating a melting pot.It will not stop at erasing white,Christian conservatorism.

White Christian conservatism is dead. Christianity is dead and a defeated/humiliated force. And "globalization" already happened and Islam successfully defeated it. Islamic World is the ONLY civilization that maintain its traditional values and culture and yet integrated in the modern world of trade, economics, and finance. Islamic Civilization is one of the only two global civilization of humanity that ever existed (or will ever exist)..and unlike the other global civilization, Islam hasn't fallen. In fact, it has become more global than ever before and has maintained its traditional culture,values, and outlook. That's also why Islam is/will be not only the largest civilization of humanity at its peak, it is the only major civilization that is STILL growing/expanding...while all others are either shrinking or a staganant. Mashallah to that.

In Islamic World, I don't support stupid liberalism when it comes to culture etc. But in the West, I do. West is already a post Christian, secular, multicultural world that has lost its traditional outlook and indigenous culture to globalization. That's why there is no point now to try to keep some conservative bullhsit here when the society has already moved on. It's not my doing you know.

Best of luck creating a melting pot in Islamic World :lol: Muslims hold power in global Islamic World, not some hipsters of Germany. Hell, even our MOST "globalized" cities such as Dubai (where foreigners actually outnumber locals) has Shariah law and traditional Islam rules the streets (and foreigners are given freedom to live their lives in bubble, but beyond that..you end up in jail for having premarital sex if you step outside of your allowed bubble)! Lool...and oh you aren't even given a citizenship even if you were born there!! So in essence, Dubai/UAE extracted ALL the benefits of globalization, but avoided all ten negative sides.

As I said, Islam has simply defeated globalization waves Mashallah. Sorry but can't say that for Europe.

Muslims are destined to become 10% of entire continent inshallah by 2050, and in the age cohorrot of young people..this number is even higher!!:cheers:

Best way for Europe is to integrate various communities together and enjoy its rest of life. It just doesn't have that expansive energy anymore. Islam will also run out of its expansive energy by 2080-2100...but the catch is, Islam would be the LAST one to run out of its expansive energy and by the time it does, it'll be already the largest ever human civilization mankind has or will ever know!
 
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White Christian conservatism is dead. Christianity is dead and a defeated/humiliated force. And "globalization" already happened and Islam successfully defeated it. Islamic World is the ONLY civilization that maintain its traditional values and culture and yet integrated in the modern world of trade, economics, and finance. Islamic Civilization is one of the only two global civilization of humanity that ever existed (or will ever exist)..and unlike the other global civilization, Islam hasn't fallen. In fact, it has become more global than ever before and has maintained its traditional culture,values, and outlook. That's also why Islam is/will be not only the largest civilization of humanity at its peak, it is the only major civilization that is STILL growing/expanding...while all others are either shrinking or a staganant. Mashallah to that.

In Islamic World, I don't support stupid liberalism when it comes to culture etc. But in the West, I do. West is already a post Christian, secular, multicultural world that has lost its traditional outlook and indigenous culture to globalization. That's why there is no point now to try to keep some conservative bullhsit here when the society has already moved on. It's not my doing you know.

Best of luck creating a melting pot in Islamic World :lol: Muslims hold power in global Islamic World, not some hipsters of Germany. Hell, even our MOST "globalized" cities such as Dubai (where foreigners actually outnumber locals) has Shariah law and traditional Islam rules the streets (and foreigners are given freedom to live their lives in bubble, but beyond that..you end up in jail for having premarital sex if you step outside of your allowed bubble)! Lool...and oh you aren't even given a citizenship even if you were born there!! So in essence, Dubai/UAE extracted ALL the benefits of globalization, but avoided all ten negative sides.

As I said, Islam has simply defeated globalization waves Mashallah. Sorry but can't say that for Europe.

Muslims are destined to become 10% of entire continent inshallah by 2050, and in the age cohorrot of young people..this number is even higher!!:cheers:

Best way for Europe is to integrate various communities together and enjoy its rest of life. It just doesn't have that expansive energy anymore. Islam will also run out of its expansive energy by 2080-2100...but the catch is, Islam would be the LAST one to run out of its expansive energy and by the time it does, it'll be already the largest ever human civilization mankind has or will ever know!

Nice story but when globalistion comes knocking muslims won't have a say and their conservatorism won't be tolerated.You have to be dellusional to think that this radical left will tolerate an increasing muslims corvative population amongst its ranks.

Increasing number of popultions might make you feel good but the so called muslim civilisation is at the bottom of the pecking order throughout the globe,behind Western civilisation,behind Russia,behind Chinese civilisation,behind East Asia (Japan,South Koreea),etc.
 
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Honestly i prefer Trump than hypocrite Obama. That dude was saying that "we dont have issues with muslims" and he bombed 7 muslim countries. I prefer Trump to act like Bush. US will again be humiliated
 
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It's an Islamic forum ?

No... but infested with those of that faith. ... enjoy your stay here... :)

But neither are most Muslim countries... most muslims would argue ... none are... islamaphobe would argue there are... hence a futile argument.
 
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Nice story but when globalistion comes knocking muslims won't have a say and their conservatorism won't be tolerated.You have to be dellusional to think that this radical left will tolerate an increasing muslims corvative population amongst its ranks..

LOL, how will "left" do a cultural revolution in ISLAMIC WORLD?!?! :lol:

What power "left" has say in Saudi Arabia or in Pakistan? or even in Indonesia? Malaysia? HELL, in Turkey?!

Islam (Inshallah!) is too powerful to be overwhelmed by some nutty ultra liberal cultish hedonism. Islam isn't weak as christianity and traditional western lifestyle have proven to be :) "Globalization" has already "come knocking" to Islamic Civilization, and it has thoroughly been defeated by Islam only (everyone else has fallen). Hell, even eastern European, anti-Muslim right wingers admit this fact..

Islam is humanity's last hope: Jobbik

Look at ALL the social parameters of a culture...religious practice, adherence to a culture's indigenous values, sexual norms, hedonism, alcohol, gender roles, and what have you--Islam crushes liberalism GLOBALLY wherever two come face to face (and Mashallah to that!).

Yes, *within* the western world---liberalism will increasingly put pressure on Muslim communities to conform after it has completely annihilated christianity and traditional western life. I agree with you on that....and we shall see how it plays out. (I personally think there will be a balance with Muslims being "liberal" for public policies but "Islamic" in personal lives for their kids and families--kind of like I am :D hehe)

Increasing number of popultions might make you feel good but the so called muslim civilisation is at the bottom of the pecking order throughout the globe,behind Western civilisation,behind Russia,behind Chinese civilisation,behind East Asia (Japan,South Koreea),etc

:lol:

Such face saving mental masturbations would not help you or dying West, would they?

Japan/Korea are more powerful than global Islamic World?:rofl:

Japan and Korea (and Russia too) are dying countries with decreasing population and absolute increasing irrelevance to the global stage (not Russia though). Saudi Arabia alone is a bigger/more consequential global power than Japan+Korea combined. Yes, Japanese/Koreans are admirable and technologically advance societies--but by now you should know what really matters in International system. Influence and power. Korea and Japan can't compare to Saudi Arabia's preeminent role in the global energy markets (THE most important commodity in international geopolitics: Energy, not Samsung smart phones and no Toyota cars--but global energy supply and control flow).

Lets not even compare to global Islamic world, which is a global civilization unlike Koreans or Japanese etc.

There are 100+ companies from Islamic World in Forbes 2000 2015 list. To put it in perspective, that's more than all the companies of Latin America and Oceana combined. DOUBLE the number of companies listed from India and FOUR TIMES the number of companies from your "Russia". And that's when MOST powerful companies from Muslim World aren't even publically listed (Eg Saudi Aramco alone has an estimated market capitalization of $10 to $20 trillion+ !!! That's more than top five largest American companies...combined!).

Islam will be the largest global human civilization to ever exist at the PEAK of human species. Just let that sink in.

Yes, it wouldn't be the most "powerful" at that time (by 2100s) as it previously had been for over a thousand years for the most part (between 7th to 17th century)...but even then, it would be one of the most powerful civilization in 2050-2100 time. 25 largest global economies will account for 80% of the total world's GDP by 2050---9 out those 25 will be from Islamic world--with Indonesia being the fourth largest global economy behind China, India, and U.S. And some of the most powerful militaries on the planet also exist in Muslim world (from nuclear-capable Pakistan to the largest military machine of Europe--Turkey. Missile powers such as Iran are militarily more powerful/consequential than majority of European countries too)...

But offcourse, you can continue to hide under your blanket imagining "Islamic world is just subsaharan Africa producing lots of babies and nothing else" whereas global civilization of Islam continues to soar and expand from Morocco to Indonesia while maintaining its identity, culture, indigenous outlook, and traditional values. Whereas you can not do anything but to see Western culture being humiliated by globalization and hedonism---resulting in Western culture becoming a MULTI-culture and decreasing populations across the board.

All of the above isn't some sad opinions like yours or MarkusS rants--these are facts driven from scholarly analysis.

Inglehart-Welzel's classification of cultures proves what I've written as well.

inglehart_values_map2.svg.png


On the y-axis, traditional values emphasize the importance of religion, parent-child relationships, family values, sexual discipline, important of marriage, and authority, according to WVS. People who embrace these tend to reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. These societies usually exhibit high levels of nationalism and national pride, too. (Cultural pride in their own civilization)

On the x-axis, survival values revere economic and physical security and safety and are linked to low levels of trust and tolerance. On the other side, self-expression values give high priority to protecting the environment, promoting gender equality, and tolerating foreigners and gays and lesbians.

http://www.businessinsider.com/inglehart-welzel-culture-map-2014-7

As you can see, Islamic Civilization/Culture holds the best evolutionary traits--and is traditional and holds survival values more than others. In other words, such a culture is more likely to survive and thrive in the long term..and unfit cultures will die out (Ehm, already dying West comes to mind). Generally, newer cultures/civilizations tend to be fitter (Traditional, Survivalist) because they are small, insecure, and need to be survivalist if they want to establish themselves on history's map. Successful/large civilizations become "lax" with time (spanning upon centuries) and end up becoming diluted and losing their traditional traits. It is absolutely remarkable to see that Islamic Civilization is STILL so fit and powerful in itself---even after it has already seen absolute zenith by remaining global dominant civilization for almost a 1000 years--producing various superpowers--and has been the global civilization for centuries and is MASSIVE in size (reaching towards 1/3 of entire human civilization) at homo sapiens absolute peak.

NO civilization in entire human history has been able to achieve such size AND "evolutionary civilizational fitness" at the same time. (Only Christiandom can be compared in terms of size/breath but it falls short on the comparison of long term survival traits).

Quite remarkable..

But you can console yourself by imaginations, but facts remain facts.

China will be most powerful economically but it is not a global civilization and never has been. THE ONLY rival to Islam was Christian-West...since there have been only two civilizations in human history which can be categorized as global civilizations--Islam and Christian-West--while all other civilizations (no matter how brilliant ranging from Egypt to Persia to China to India to Japan etc) have been local civilizations, hence not as influential on global humanity. And now the Christian-West is pretty much washed away in the waves of globalization, secularization, and liberalism, and Islam stands alone on global level. Christianity barely holds any influence in public life and on culture anywhere in the world and you know that too.

I am not saying Islam will dominate the world and will be most powerful and that its end of history blah blah blah...so I don't know why you get so defensive.

I am just stating provable facts backed by data. You have nothing but binary delusions "islam at bottom, we at top" :lol: World doesn't work in binaries.

Raise the level of your arguments and don't deny obvious facts just because of your defensiveness.
 
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LOL, how will "left" do a cultural revolution in ISLAMIC WORLD?!?! :lol:

What power "left" has say in Saudi Arabia or in Pakistan? or even in Indonesia? Malaysia? HELL, in Turkey?!

Islam (Inshallah!) is too powerful to be overwhelmed by some nutty ultra liberal cultish hedonism. Islam isn't weak as christianity and traditional western lifestyle have proven to be :) "Globalization" has already "come knocking" to Islamic Civilization, and it has thoroughly been defeated by Islam only (everyone else has fallen). Hell, even eastern European, anti-Muslim right wingers admit this fact..

Islam is humanity's last hope: Jobbik

Look at ALL the social parameters of a culture...religious practice, adherence to a culture's indigenous values, sexual norms, hedonism, alcohol, gender roles, and what have you--Islam crushes liberalism GLOBALLY wherever two come face to face (and Mashallah to that!).

Yes, *within* the western world---liberalism will increasingly put pressure on Muslim communities to conform after it has completely annihilated christianity and traditional western life. I agree with you on that....and we shall see how it plays out. (I personally think there will be a balance with Muslims being "liberal" for public policies but "Islamic" in personal lives for their kids and families--kind of like I am :D hehe)



:lol:

Such face saving mental masturbations would not help you or dying West, would they?

Japan/Korea are more powerful than global Islamic World?:rofl:

Japan and Korea (and Russia too) are dying countries with decreasing population and absolute increasing irrelevance to the global stage (not Russia though). Saudi Arabia alone is a bigger/more consequential global power than Japan+Korea combined. Yes, Japanese/Koreans are admirable and technologically advance societies--but by now you should know what really matters in International system. Influence and power. Korea and Japan can't compare to Saudi Arabia's preeminent role in the global energy markets (THE most important commodity in international geopolitics: Energy, not Samsung smart phones and no Toyota cars--but global energy supply and control flow).

Lets not even compare to global Islamic world, which is a global civilization unlike Koreans or Japanese etc.

There are 100+ companies from Islamic World in Forbes 2000 2015 list. To put it in perspective, that's more than all the companies of Latin America and Oceana combined. DOUBLE the number of companies listed from India and FOUR TIMES the number of companies from your "Russia". And that's when MOST powerful companies from Muslim World aren't even publically listed (Eg Saudi Aramco alone has an estimated market capitalization of $10 to $20 trillion+ !!! That's more than top five largest American companies...combined!).

Islam will be the largest global human civilization to ever exist at the PEAK of human species. Just let that sink in.

Yes, it wouldn't be the most "powerful" at that time (by 2100s) as it previously had been for over a thousand years for the most part (between 7th to 17th century)...but even then, it would be one of the most powerful civilization in 2050-2100 time. 25 largest global economies will account for 80% of the total world's GDP by 2050---9 out those 25 will be from Islamic world--with Indonesia being the fourth largest global economy behind China, India, and U.S. And some of the most powerful militaries on the planet also exist in Muslim world (from nuclear-capable Pakistan to the largest military machine of Europe--Turkey. Missile powers such as Iran are militarily more powerful/consequential than majority of European countries too)...

But offcourse, you can continue to hide under your blanket imagining "Islamic world is just subsaharan Africa producing lots of babies and nothing else" whereas global civilization of Islam continues to soar and expand from Morocco to Indonesia while maintaining its identity, culture, indigenous outlook, and traditional values. Whereas you can not do anything but to see Western culture being humiliated by globalization and hedonism---resulting in Western culture becoming a MULTI-culture and decreasing populations across the board.

All of the above isn't some sad opinions like yours or MarkusS rants--these are facts driven from scholarly analysis.

Inglehart-Welzel's classification of cultures proves what I've written as well.

inglehart_values_map2.svg.png


On the y-axis, traditional values emphasize the importance of religion, parent-child relationships, family values, sexual discipline, important of marriage, and authority, according to WVS. People who embrace these tend to reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. These societies usually exhibit high levels of nationalism and national pride, too. (Cultural pride in their own civilization)

On the x-axis, survival values revere economic and physical security and safety and are linked to low levels of trust and tolerance. On the other side, self-expression values give high priority to protecting the environment, promoting gender equality, and tolerating foreigners and gays and lesbians.

http://www.businessinsider.com/inglehart-welzel-culture-map-2014-7

As you can see, Islamic Civilization/Culture holds the best evolutionary traits--and is traditional and holds survival values more than others. In other words, such a culture is more likely to survive and thrive in the long term..and unfit cultures will die out (Ehm, already dying West comes to mind). Generally, newer cultures/civilizations tend to be fitter (Traditional, Survivalist) because they are small, insecure, and need to be survivalist if they want to establish themselves on history's map. Successful/large civilizations become "lax" with time (spanning upon centuries) and end up becoming diluted and losing their traditional traits. It is absolutely remarkable to see that Islamic Civilization is STILL so fit and powerful in itself---even after it has already seen absolute zenith by remaining global dominant civilization for almost a 1000 years--producing various superpowers--and has been the global civilization for centuries and is MASSIVE in size (reaching towards 1/3 of entire human civilization) at homo sapiens absolute peak.

NO civilization in entire human history has been able to achieve such size AND "evolutionary civilizational fitness" at the same time. (Only Christiandom can be compared in terms of size/breath but it falls short on the comparison of long term survival traits).

Quite remarkable..

But you can console yourself by imaginations, but facts remain facts.

China will be most powerful economically but it is not a global civilization and never has been. THE ONLY rival to Islam was Christian-West...since there have been only two civilizations in human history which can be categorized as global civilizations--Islam and Christian-West--while all other civilizations (no matter how brilliant ranging from Egypt to Persia to China to India to Japan etc) have been local civilizations, hence not as influential on global humanity. And now the Christian-West is pretty much washed away in the waves of globalization, secularization, and liberalism, and Islam stands alone on global level. Christianity barely holds any influence in public life and on culture anywhere in the world and you know that too.

I am not saying Islam will dominate the world and will be most powerful and that its end of history blah blah blah...so I don't know why you get so defensive.

I am just stating provable facts backed by data. You have nothing but binary delusions "islam at bottom, we at top" :lol: World doesn't work in binaries.

Raise the level of your arguments and don't deny obvious facts just because of your defensiveness.

I can't take your epic wall of texts seriously because you're projecting things that will happen in 2050-2100.Currently,the Islamic word goes through what Christianity went through with the Reformation,and the wars and the infighting that come with it.When this ends ,I'm not so sure that Islam would be so appealing to many Muslims either.

As for Christianity,you forget that it's still the fastest growing religion by conversions,and in places that matter: China,East Asia.
 
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I can't take your epic wall of texts seriously because you're projecting things that will happen in 2050-2100.Currently,the Islamic word goes through what Christianity went through with the Reformation,and the wars and the infighting that come with it.When this ends ,I'm not so sure that Islam would be so appealing to many Muslims either..

It's not all projections. I am talking about coherent arguments that negate your lazy jabs that are based on insults rather than facts. Anyways, let's move on :)



As for Christianity,you forget that it's still the fastest growing religion by conversions,and in places that matter: China,East Asia]

Well these claims are tricky because proponents of both faith makes similar claims. China is tricky since there is very little credible data available. Conversions and blah blah are rhetoric..what really matters is influence on cultural, social, and mass level in public sphere. Here, Islam absolutely dominates the table globally with no other religion even coming close (according to all the available data on various issues such as sex, gender relations, religious practice, and so on on)

Anyways, if you don't want to talk about it more..I'm fine with it. Let's get back to the topic.

Although populist, people like Trump, Le Pen etc aren't very competent nor experienced in terms of running complex state affairs. What if these populists fail...wouldn't that be a bigger set back to the conservative movements in the Western sphere? Culturally, consevatism has lost its appeal...getting politically discredit will hurt the overall cause even worse.

So hoping for more pragmatic conservative populists is better for nationalists rather than hoping for an ape-shit crazy figure who'll reverse everything by brute action
 
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Why should he insult.....he was such an awesome guy. :-)


Is this Ottronto ?

I'm in chile right now in Puerto Natans and connection is slow.

I dont think he was awesome. He was unable to build up something that grow beyond barbarism. I wonder why some muslims keep pride in singular battle events. That egyptian guy brought up Hannibal, who won some battles but in end was totally annihilated by rome. You bring up a single battle where turks went genocidal in italy, achieved nothing and got erased from italian troops later on.

Lets say it that way, i think your leaders historic deeds are the culmination of your today situation. Turkey is a low performing middle eastern country, ruled by a psychotic unstable wannabe dictator and in civil war with its kurdish population.

I wish you luck, you will need it.
 
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Well these claims are tricky because proponents of both faith makes similar claims.

They can claim all they want.Let's take South Koreea for example.A modern,industrialised society in which after 1945 Christianity grew from almost 0 to 1/3 of the country's population.Show me such a success story within Islam,show me a country which 70 years ago had 1% Muslims and now has over 1/3,and a big ,rich,modern country to.

Similarly,in China there are anywhere between 35-50 million Christians and their numbers are growing.In Taiwan it's at 5% of the population.It is at 8% of the population in Vietnam .And this is done by missionarism and conversions ,not migration.

Islam is mainly contained in the territories it had for centuries and it's expanding by growing numbers of its populations,immigration not by conversions and it does not have an appeal to non islamic societies.It can't hold a candle to Christianity's conversion zeal and missionarism.
 
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They can claim all they want.Let's take South Koreea for example.A modern,industrialised society in which after 1945 Christianity grew from almost 0 to 1/3 of the country's population.Show me such a success story within Islam,show me a country which 70 years ago had 1% Muslims and now has over 1/3,and a big ,rich,modern country to.

Similarly,in China there are anywhere between 35-50 million Christians and their numbers are growing.In Taiwan it's at 5% of the population.It is at 8% of the population in Vietnam .And this is done by missionarism and conversions ,not migration.

Islam is mainly contained in the territories it had for centuries and it's expanding by growing numbers of its populations,immigration not by conversions and it does not have an appeal to non islamic societies.It can't hold a candle to Christianity's conversion zeal and missionarism.

Islam is the most conversionary (not a word) faith in the world today
 
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