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[MarkusS]

Islam is the most conversionary (not a word) faith in the world today

in western culture we underline statements with facts.

 

[hussain0216]

in western culture we underline statements with facts.

Islam is the most conversionary (not a word) faith in the world

 

[flamer84]

Islam is the most conversionary (not a word) faith in the world

No.Show me something,Islam's missionarism is weak,it expands only because muslims have many children.In a previous post of mine I've asked to see a large country who swinged from basically zero to 5-10-30% of people adhering to Islam in the last 50-70 years,like it happened to Christianity in Vietnam,South Korea,China,etc..

 

[-SINAN-]

I dont think he was awesome. He was unable to build up something that grow beyond barbarism. I wonder why some muslims keep pride in singular battle events. That egyptian guy brought up Hannibal, who won some battles but in end was totally annihilated by rome. You bring up a single battle where turks went genocidal in italy, achieved nothing and got erased from italian troops later on.

Lets say it that way, i think your leaders historic deeds are the culmination of your today situation. Turkey is a low performing middle eastern country, ruled by a psychotic unstable wannabe dictator and in civil war with its kurdish population.

I wish you luck, you will need it.

And he ended East Roman Empire.

You bring up a single battle where turks went genocidal in italy, achieved nothing and got erased from italian troops later on.

Erased by Italian troops......They got bored from your woman, boarded their ships, and returned to motherland....

Not to mention, invasion was done with just one Pasha and his troops..... a little fraction of the Ottoman Army.

 

[hussain0216]

No.Show me something,Islam's missionarism is weak,it expands only because muslims have many children.In a previous post of mine I've asked to see a large country who swinged from basically zero to 5-10-30% of people adhering to Islam in the last 50-70 years,like it happened to Christianity in Vietnam,South Korea,China,etc..

Islams missionarism is the strongest because every believing muslim is a missionary in terms of actual belief islam became the largest faith a long time ago in real numbers we will become the largest in coming decades

Christianity is in deep trouble because its only path is funded missionaries for the gullible and purchasable, its heartlands are now christian only in name

Islam is spreading across the World, us arguing in this forum or me pulling our articles wont convince you unless you want to search for the truth and will only waste my time

 

[flamer84]

Islams missionarism is the strongest because every believing muslim is a missionary in terms of actual belief islam became the largest faith a long time ago in real numbers we will become the largest in coming decades

Christianity is in deep trouble because its only path is funded missionaries for the gullible and purchasable, its heartlands are now christian only in name

Islam is spreading across the World, us arguing in this forum or me pulling our articles wont convince you unless you want to search for the truth and will only waste my time

Yeah,I knew it,no proofs because it isn't.

 

[MarkusS]

And he ended East Roman Empire.


Erased by Italian troops......They got bored from your woman, boarded their ships, and returned to motherland....

Not to mention, invasion was done with just one Pasha and his troops..... a little fraction of the Ottoman Army.

East roman empire? You talk about greeks here. Why do you assume that i have any sympathy for them? You may not know it but Rome constantly worked towards Constantinoples destruction. It was a rival.

Returned to turkey? Actually no, they got destroyed. As all turks got killed who tried to invade italy. In the end it is the main reason why turkey is a little 3rd world country now. Its constant fixation on Rome and its constant defeats made it collapse to the state it is today.

On a sidenote, how is this visa thing going for you? Erdo made how much ultimatum already?

Look Sinan the problem here is that you try to impress me with a loser history. Turks were never able to defeat italy. You got crushed from us multiple times and now you are what you are...begging for visa free travel.

I think we should be more fair towards you and openly say that we dont want you. I think most intellectual turks (i guess you have such a class?) realize that Europe looks down on turkey. You are not even wanted as tourists here. Why dont you make a visa free union with syria and iraq? They are same people as you and i think you can be much better friends with them. This entire thing with turkey reached a state where its just sad to see.

 

[-SINAN-]

Actually no, they got destroyed. As all turks got killed who tried to invade italy.

Maybe in Markuss's imaginary universe.

 

[MarkusS]

Maybe in Markuss's imaginary universe.

no in history. you can visit the hole where all the carcass were thrown in. Wait...youcant. You need a Visa. Like any other 3rd world country.

 

[-SINAN-]

no in history. you can visit the hole where all the carcass were thrown in. Wait...youcant. You need a Visa. Like any other 3rd world country.

Re-written history to fix the broken Italian pride, i assume.

 

[MarkusS]

Re-written history to fix the broken Italian pride, i assume.

which broken pride? Your attack on italy had as much effect as the PKK attacks on turkey. You terrorized a city and then got kicked out. We in return crushed your entire presence in north africa and made you what you are today...a 3rd world country with a muppet dictator.

Look Sinan you are a turk. Your president is a clown. Your country the joke of the world. Please don't bring up "pride". While your dictator says now the 4th time that he will bust the refugee deal if he dont get visa free travel until june...august....september...end of october...

and while he and his country is humilated in public a german court decided its ok to say he has sex with goats...

Is that your turkish pride? To be treated like that?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

They can claim all they want.Let's take South Koreea for example.A modern,industrialised society in which after 1945 Christianity grew from almost 0 to 1/3 of the country's population.Show me such a success story within Islam,show me a country which 70 years ago had 1% Muslims and now has over 1/3,and a big ,rich,modern country to.

Similarly,in China there are anywhere between 35-50 million Christians and their numbers are growing.In Taiwan it's at 5% of the population.It is at 8% of the population in Vietnam .And this is done by missionarism and conversions ,not migration.

The main reason is because of state-sanctioned persecution,Negative Media outlook and the constant propaganda surrounding the faith. Combine that with the alt-right and right wing groups constantly spewing out bull and lies to somehow embed this hate of Muslims and Islam has led to people just avoiding it altogether.

Unfortunately Christianity is a reformed religion that has been changed constantly for the past few centuries. I don't think its proper to call it christianity anymore.

Returned to turkey? Actually no, they got destroyed. As all turks got killed who tried to invade italy. In the end it is the main reason why turkey is a little 3rd world country now. Its constant fixation on Rome and its constant defeats made it collapse to the state it is today.

Not really the ottoman Caliphate was never obsessed with rome especially considering that Mehmed was already crowned Caesar of Rome and that claim of caesar was backed by the Eastern Orthodox Church.

crushed your entire presence in north africa

Not at all, Turkish presence was at large in North Africa. You also seem to forget it was the Egyptians who crushed your 100,000s of men that dared cross into our land. They didn't even up a fight, they were slaughtered or just dropped their guns and surrendered while the ones who ran got shot in the back like the cowards you Italians you are.

The 10th Army was swiftly defeated and the Garrison prolonged the operation, to pursue the remnants of the 10th Army to Beda Fomm and El Agheila on the Gulf of Sirte. The Garrison took 138,000 Italian and Libyan prisoners, hundreds of tanks and over 1,000 guns and aircraft for a loss of 1,900 men killed and wounded, about 10 percent of italy's total infantry.


The only time an Italian is good at fighting is when he is fighting a small enemy and women and children. This is especially obvious about your comments about Refugees. You are cowards who when meeting real men turn tail and run.

Turks stood their ground time and time again while Italians turn tail time and time again.

In fact Italy is such a pathetic and hilarious country that there is an entire Anime series on how retarded your country is.

How pathetic now go troll somewhere else.

 

[AUz]

in western culture we underline statements with facts.

Sure,

As always, I will educate your inferior ****s with facts as I have done over and over again.

Continue reading..

They can claim all they want.

Nobody is making tall claims here. Religious data coming out of China is extremely unreliable and all religious organizations admit to this fact. Only laughable missionary orgs make claims of 40% China being Christian blah blah.

Also, as PEW report stated, Christianity in China is very fluid. People are Christian/Taoist/Animalistic all at the same time. Many barely even practice the faith after registering themselves as Christian in church catalogs. Yes, Christianity is there in China..may be in larger numbers than Islam..but it's no way near the level of spread and practice as sensationalist missionary orgs might point out.

Let's take South Koreea for example.A modern,industrialised society in which after 1945 Christianity grew from almost 0 to 1/3 of the country's population.Show me such a success story Islam,show me a country which 70 years ago had 1% Muslims and now has over 1/3,and a big ,rich,modern country to.

Christianity was around 10ish percent already in S.Korea and yes, it grew to 29% in second half of twentieth century. But let's not mental masturabe just because you couldn't answer my factual arguments in the above post (which you said was too long and didn't respond).

South Korea was a PISS POOR nation when Christianity spread in it. It wasn't the ultra industrialized Korea where Christianity encaptured 30% of the people. Through 50's, 60's etc..Christian message spread in Korea but Korea was absolutely poor. It's only AFTERWARDS that it became industrialized.

Secondly, you are just trying to hide your embarrassment via emotional outburst but lets not get carried away. 30% of Korea did not "convert" to Christianity. Religions are ALWAYS driven by demographics, and less by conversations. Christian fertility rate in Korea was (and is still) higher compared to non-Christian koreans (as expected, since religious groups generally do have higher fertility rates pretty much everywhere compared to non-religious folks). So around 10% of Korea was already christian and through missionary activity, christianity gained many more followers---but the reason of going from 10% to 30% in 50 or so years is primarily demographics, and NOT "conversions" per say.

Islam in India is also destined to go from 8ish percent to near 20% in 100 years (1950-2050)--conversions play a role but the primary driver of growth is, as always is, demographics (same in the case with South Korea and Vietnam etc).

And most importantly, again to my point..what influence Christianity has in public life of Koreans? their culture? Global outlook? Nothing! Koreans are majority non-Christian and even Christian one's don't care much bout the faith...as it shows in their dressing, culture, pop scene, and so on

Christianity is a joke compared to galactic global influence of Islam. We both know this. Nobody cares for Christianity anymore. May be individuals, yes...but on mass, cultural level, Christianity is a dead horse.

Islam is thriving and extremely influential even in most "secular" Muslim nations such as Turkey. Just look at any social or cultural indicator..whether premarital sex, alcohol, marriage rates, dress code, drug usage, gender relations, fertility rates, abortions, or births outside of marriage. Turkey is extremely in line with Islamic precepts on mass, cultural level.

Compare that to major "christian"(by name LOL)-majority nations in Europe, Americas, and even Asia...and you'll see that Christianity is a completely destroyed thing of past there for the most part. And again, Turkey is the most "secular" country we are talking about..let's not even talk about Islam's immensely powerful hold on global great power like Saudi Arabia or one of the largest nuclear power on Earth--Pakistan.

Islam is FAR more influential and powerful as a religious civilizational force than any other religious code out there by light years.

Now please don't be disingenuous to try to save face and come with "....but but but, there are more nominal Christians in the world or that US has more Christian's than Muslims and U.S is more powerful than KSA/Pakistan and hence Christianity is more influential"

I am talking about religion's influence and direct power on global stage (in which Islam dwarfs Christianity and all other religions combined by colossal margins)...I'm not talking about "nominal" followers or on-paper majorities in countries.

I don't need your opinions, give me hardcore data on social and cultural issues to show me influence and power.

State of premarital sex, alcohol, marriage rates, dress code, law-code, drug usage, gender relations, fertility rates, abortions, or births outside of marriage, dress codes, religious adherence etc etc reveal if a religion is actually influential/powerful in a societies globally or not. And in these indicators, Islam DOMINATES the Earth whereever it exists globally and hence is regarded as most powerful/consequential religion.

Islam is mainly contained in the territories it had for centuries and it's expanding by growing numbers of its populations,immigration not by conversions and it does not have an appeal to non islamic societies.It can't hold a candle to Christianity's conversion zeal and missionarism.

Zeal and Christianity?

Yeah I see great zeal when literally nobody even gives a shit about it. Premarital sex, irrreligiosity, breakdown of traditional Christian inspired life, gay marriage, drugs, alcoholism, nudity, hedonism etc c etc is MAINSTREAM culture of almost ALL "christian" (again by name lol) societies in Americas, Latin America, Europe etc..and you talk about Christian "zeal"?

Christianity is taken a little seriously may be in sub Saharan Africa compared to Europe and the rest of the world..but even there Islam out practices it in every measure (whether it's prayer attendance, religious adherence, social issues etc etc...I can provide you with PEW studies comparing Christian and Islamic practice in sub Saharan Africa if you doubt me lol)..

And talking about conversions..conversions is a zero sum game. So for example, if you are gaining 100 converts but losing 200 to other ideologies, you are LOSING.

Guess which religion is LOSING most net converts according to the largest ever global pew study on religion published in 2015? Yes, your "zealous" Christianity

(Islam is gaining the most out of all religions in the same projections btw)

Please flamer, as I stated above as well...don't get super defensive and try to negate undeniable facts just bc you don't like them.

Move along...

 

[-SINAN-]

which broken pride? Your attack on italy had as much effect as the PKK attacks on turkey. You terrorized a city and then got kicked out. We in return crushed your entire presence in north africa and made you what you are today...a 3rd world country with a muppet dictator.

Look Sinan you are a turk. Your president is a clown. Your country the joke of the world. Please don't bring up "pride". While your dictator says now the 4th time that he will bust the refugee deal if he dont get visa free travel until june...august....september...end of october...

and while he and his country is humilated in public a german court decided its ok to say he has sex with goats...

Is that your turkish pride? To be treated like that?

Mumble jumble from the clown of the forum.

 

[MarkusS]

The main reason is because of state-sanctioned persecution,Negative Media outlook and the constant propaganda surrounding the faith. Combine that with the alt-right and right wing groups constantly spewing out bull and lies to somehow embed this hate of Muslims and Islam has led to people just avoiding it altogether.

Unfortunately Christianity is a reformed religion that has been changed constantly for the past few centuries. I don't think its proper to call it christianity anymore.



Not really the ottoman Caliphate was never obsessed with rome especially considering that Mehmed was already crowned Caesar of Rome and that claim of caesar was backed by the Eastern Orthodox Church.



Not at all, Turkish presence was at large in North Africa. You also seem to forget it was the Egyptians who crushed your 100,000s of men that dared cross into our land. They didn't even up a fight, they were slaughtered or just dropped their guns and surrendered while the ones who ran got shot in the back like the cowards you Italians you are.

The 10th Army was swiftly defeated and the Garrison prolonged the operation, to pursue the remnants of the 10th Army to Beda Fomm and El Agheila on the Gulf of Sirte. The Garrison took 138,000 Italian and Libyan prisoners, hundreds of tanks and over 1,000 guns and aircraft for a loss of 1,900 men killed and wounded, about 10 percent of italy's total infantry.


The only time an Italian is good at fighting is when he is fighting a small enemy and women and children. This is especially obvious about your comments about Refugees. You are cowards who when meeting real men turn tail and run.

Turks stood their ground time and time again while Italians turn tail time and time again.

In fact Italy is such a pathetic and hilarious country that there is an entire Anime series on how retarded your country is.

How pathetic now go troll somewhere else.

@waz look, i dont think this racism is allowed here. Also anri christian rants.