Trump: Turkey was not treated fairly

[Bismarck]

It was the illuminati.

CIA, NSA, Pentagon, IC are real and no conspiracy theories. I don't know whom do you want to fool. Yourself or the rest of us.

 

[Bismarck]

Actually the things are going against USA: India is also willing to buy S400. To whom will you stop.

From my point of view trump will knee down because of his own[USA] benefit and will let Turkey and India buy S400. Or there are too many other jets better than or alternative to F35 and there may be many countries willing to connect with Turkey if usa goes back(it will be more hurting).

I liked the way Turkey dealing with this donkey.

U.S can not sanction every one who buys Russian stuffs. But, they can sanction Russia, every time the sell Russian weapons to any country. Much more easier one country than many other.

 

[azyr]

U.S can not sanction every one who buys Russian stuffs. But, they can sanction Russia, every time the sell Russian weapons to any country. Much more easier one country than many other.

You know that's actually pretty clever of the US (while still being a huge dick move nonetheless). Instead of letting Russia create rifts and headaches between your partners - you outright make it very costly for them to sell their equipment - which will lead said equipment to be rendered way too expensive for most countries to even consider.

Still, **** the US though.

 

[Bismarck]

Shame on you. Look at current state of Turkey.

To be honest, nothing can be worst than Kemalists. We have seen millions of people's on the street pro AKP or contra AKP. We can see a strong civil society. During Kemalist era, you would not seen any people on street demonstrations, because Kemalists would give the military the command to shot on the protesters. And I don't talk about Gezi Park like measures. Kemalists would flute Gezi Park with blood.

Kemalist era was the edge of Darkness.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Trump and his talks.
Wao.

 

[TheMightyBender]

I don't want conflict with Turkey on S-400: US senator
ANKARA-Anadolu Agency

A senior U.S. Republican senator on June 30 said sanctions would be "required under law" if Turkey "activates" the S-400 air defense systems bought from Russia, adding that he wanted to avoid a potential conflict with a NATO ally.

During an interview with CBS News, Lindsey Graham said the Senate recently passed legislation banning the sale of F-35 stealth fighter jets to Turkey if they activate the Russian S-400 missile battery.

Since 2017, Turkey and the U.S. have been at odds over Turkey's decision to buy the S-400, a Russian-made missile defense system, and U.S. threats to break its contract to sell Turkey F-35 jets over the dispute.

To defend its air space, Turkey has long sought to purchase U.S.-made Patriotmissiles, yet, Washington chose to ignore its ally's national interests and rebuffed Turkey's overtures.

Despite threats from American officials for Turkey to abandon its deal with Russia, Turkish officials have described the transaction as a "done deal."

"There's no way we're going to transfer to Turkey the F-35 technology and let them buy a Russian missile battery at the same time. It would compromise our platform," said Graham, who was in Turkey for a visit to the U.S. Embassy in Ankara at the time of the interview.

However, Graham also stressed the importance of Turkey as a strategic NATOally and urged the two countries "to find a way out of this dilemma."

"They've [Turkey] helped us in Syria. They're a NATO ally, President Trump's right that the last administration probably was too hard. They should have sold them the Patriot U.S. missile battery to protect Turkish airspace," Graham said.

"The way around this is to get Turkey to back off activating the S-400, replace it with a Patriot missile battery that is NATOcompliant. I don't want a conflict with Turkey. They're a very important ally, particularly when it comes to Syria and the region," he added.

 

[sammuel]

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This came up about 5 hours ago , has some intresting facts check about what trump said :



Can Trump and Erdogan Resolve the Russian Missile Dispute?

Trump blames Obama :

Top U.S. officials have spent months warning Turkey that moving forward with a plan to procure a sophisticated Russian air defense system would trigger harsh sanctions and jeopardize Ankara’s participation in the F-35 fighter jet program. But sitting next to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan ahead of a bilateral meeting at the G20 summit in Japan this weekend, President Donald Trump struck a conciliatory note, blaming the Obama administration for the dispute.

“We have a complicated situation because the President was not allowed to buy the Patriot missiles,” Trump said, referring to the Raytheon-built alternative to the Russian S-400 the administration offered Turkey late last year. “So he buys the other missile and then, all of a sudden, they say, ‘Well, you can now buy our missile.’ You can’t do business that way.”

Fact check :

Actually, Turkey passed over the Patriot twice before the most recent offer, which includedbetter terms both on pricing and on co-production. Both times, the deals fell apart because Ankara insisted on transfer of the missile technology, something U.S. officials declined to do.


Sanctions loom :

Trump said he is looking at “different solutions,” but the two presidents have precious little time to resolve the dispute. Erdogan indicated over the weekend that the S-400 would arrive in Turkey within ten days. And even if Trump decides not to impose sanctions, which would all but cripple the already struggling Turkish economy, lawmakers in Congress have promised to impose sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act if it goes through with the S-400 purchase.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/01/can-trump-and-erdogan-resolve-the-russian-missile-dispute/




Here is the a link that they mention :

Turkey Rejects Latest U.S. Offer to Sell Patriot Missiles

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ect-latest-u-s-offer-to-sell-patriot-missiles

and here is another one :

Turkey cleared by US for $3.5 billion Patriot missile deal, despite S-400 row

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...llion-patriot-missile-deal-despite-s-400-row/


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[TheMightyBender]

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This came up about 5 hours ago , has some intresting facts check about what trump said :



Can Trump and Erdogan Resolve the Russian Missile Dispute?

Trump blames Obama :

Top U.S. officials have spent months warning Turkey that moving forward with a plan to procure a sophisticated Russian air defense system would trigger harsh sanctions and jeopardize Ankara’s participation in the F-35 fighter jet program. But sitting next to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan ahead of a bilateral meeting at the G20 summit in Japan this weekend, President Donald Trump struck a conciliatory note, blaming the Obama administration for the dispute.

“We have a complicated situation because the President was not allowed to buy the Patriot missiles,” Trump said, referring to the Raytheon-built alternative to the Russian S-400 the administration offered Turkey late last year. “So he buys the other missile and then, all of a sudden, they say, ‘Well, you can now buy our missile.’ You can’t do business that way.”

Fact check :

Actually, Turkey passed over the Patriot twice before the most recent offer, which includedbetter terms both on pricing and on co-production. Both times, the deals fell apart because Ankara insisted on transfer of the missile technology, something U.S. officials declined to do.


Sanctions loom :

Trump said he is looking at “different solutions,” but the two presidents have precious little time to resolve the dispute. Erdogan indicated over the weekend that the S-400 would arrive in Turkey within ten days. And even if Trump decides not to impose sanctions, which would all but cripple the already struggling Turkish economy, lawmakers in Congress have promised to impose sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act if it goes through with the S-400 purchase.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/01/can-trump-and-erdogan-resolve-the-russian-missile-dispute/




Here is the a link that they mention :

Turkey Rejects Latest U.S. Offer to Sell Patriot Missiles

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ect-latest-u-s-offer-to-sell-patriot-missiles

and here is another one :

Turkey cleared by US for $3.5 billion Patriot missile deal, despite S-400 row

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...llion-patriot-missile-deal-despite-s-400-row/


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It is not a fact check, it is a biased compilation of horseshit.
The article claims that Turkey passed over the offer but gives links to the offers in the past couple of months. Which was what Trump referred to when he said "all of a sudden, they say, ‘Well, you can now buy our missile.'".
Turkey has been trying to procure SAMs since 1990s.

He is right, you can't wait until Turkey buys the missiles, a couple of years pass, Russia gets ready for delivery and then say 'Well, you can now buy our missile.'

 

[Quasar]

it seems payments for F 35 is continuing as scheduled normally, for instance last week we paid 50 million USD!

 

[Trango Towers]

America knows its effing up due to Israel. They ahve to find a way out

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

I wouldn't take his words serious.

Meanwhile his daughter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1145074623035449357

She will run for Presidency in 2030's I think. Trump is preparing her for that.

 

[sammuel]

It is not a fact check, it is a biased compilation of horseshit.
The article mentions that Turkey passed over the offer but gives links to the offers in the past couple of months. Which was what Trump referred to when he said "all of a sudden, they say, ‘Well, you can now buy our missile.'".
Turkey has been trying to procure SAMs since 1990s.

He is right, you can't wait until Turkey buys the missiles, a couple of years pass, Russia gets ready for delivery and then say 'Well, you can now buy our missile.'

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I see your point .

So you are saying that before the S-400 deal US have refused to sell advanced air defense missiles , to turkey ?


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[TheMightyBender]

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I see your point .

So you are saying that before the S-400 deal US have refused to sell advanced air defense missiles , to turkey ?
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I can not make that exact claim per se. But I can definitely make the following claim:
The US had applied an unofficial arms embargo on Turkey since early 2000s. They have definitely refused to sell many advanced weapons systems such as the Predators (before Turkey developed its own drones). Since the embargo was unofficial they had to devise many excuses. Sometimes it was just "congress didn't allow it", but some other times they just asked for a price that is 4x what the weapon is worth with little or no ToT.

 

[sammuel]

it seems payments for F 35 is continuing as scheduled normally, for instance last week we paid 50 million USD!

They don't have a problem with the payment only with the delivery.

I can not make that exact claim per se. But I can definitely make the following claim:
The US had applied an unofficial arms embargo on Turkey since early 2000s. They have definitely refused to sell many advanced weapons systems such as the Predators (before Turkey developed its own drones). Since the embargo was unofficial they had to devise many excuses. Sometimes it was just "congress didn't allow it", but some other times they just asked for a price that is 4x what the weapon is worth with little or no ToT.

Well we just have to wait and see how this develops. It does seems that Trump is trying to patch things with Erdogan . Though it is still hard to see him delivering the F-35 if army people and congress is against it.


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[Saddam Hussein]

No one else noticed that whenever 2 leaders meed they exchange friendliness, you've never noticed? that means don't put value on it