Trump formally recognises Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights

[Norwegian]

It is legally worthless and part and parcel of the reason U.S prestige is in the doldrums

It may be but it doesn't change the reality on the ground. Both Jerusalem and Golan Heights are now integral parts of Israel

 

[YeBeWarned]

US can of course annex the countries it invades, but annexation is not part of US foreign policy. While Israel loves to annex land for strategic reasons.


It is not worthless. It is just the start. Just like recent US recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

US did try in Afghanistan, but result is there for all to see, Israel is successful because of Arab's in fighting , some say it was part of the game that Israel want's to keep its neighbors weak and divided so they never united against them .

 

[hussain0216]

It may be but it doesn't change the reality on the ground

Yes, the occupation

But as per international law the Golan is Syria, just occupied

Its upto the ayrabs to now do something about it
As useless and gutless as they seem I have a outside inclination they do have a long term game plan which includes a detente with Israel to achieve through diplomacy a result in Israel
Its to be seen how it will go

But all the arabs are far too gutless to the yanks

 

[gambit]

If that is the rule in this world, than America can and will invade every country and said it belongs to them ..

That is not how the current understanding work. Any territory acquired by a war of aggression is not recognized as belonging to the victor. However, if the aggressor is repulsed and the territory came under the administration of the defender, then that territory can be recognized as belonging, or at least under some form of legal administration, of the defender.

 

[Norwegian]

That is not how the current understanding work. Any territory acquired by a war of aggression is not recognized as belonging to the victor. However, if the aggressor is repulsed and the territory came under the administration of the defender, then that territory can be recognized as belonging, or at least under some form of legal administration, of the defender.

Israel wasn't the aggressor in Golan Heights. Syrians shelled from the heights below inside Israeli territory. Thus IDF repulsed the attacks and captured strategic Syrian territory, which after today's US recognition now belongs to Israel

Yes, the occupation

It is just a word on the paper

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I am so sure that there is not a single actual real Jew (as defined by the koran, the son of Jacob bnai israel) in the """STATE OF ISRAEL""" that i am willing to give the entire EARTH to them to PROVE that these fakejews identity thieving fanatics who COMMIT BLASPHEMY to the HOLY NAME of JEWS by murdering and pillaging in their name, have NO power NO prophetic wisdom NO right to Torah and NO claim to house of israel.

THIS will prove that their messiah will not come. WHY? because messiahs dont come to people who are fake jews (i.e. not the son of Jacob)

 

[gambit]

but its wrong , according to that Rule America owns Afghanistan and Iraq both as they invaded and hold it .Why you think they leave both countries ?

Actually, no for Iraq and Afghanistan...

http://blogs.law.unc.edu/ncilj/2016/10/13/why-cant-the-us-just-take-iraqs-oil/

If we 'own' both countries, then we have the nominal 'right' to do whatever we want, correct?

But as the law article pointed out, no, the US do not have that 'right' in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Norwegian]

I am so sure that there is not a single actual real Jew (as defined by the koran, the son of Jacob bnai israel) in the """STATE OF ISRAEL""" that i am willing to give the entire EARTH to them to PROVE that these fakejews identity thieving fanatics who COMMIT BLASPHEMY to the HOLY NAME of JEWS by murdering and pillaging in their name, have NO power NO prophetic wisdom NO right to Torah and NO claim to house of israel.

THIS will prove that their messiah will not come. WHY? because messiahs dont come to people who are fake jews (i.e. not the son of Jacob)

So you a Muslim is going to judge who is a real or fake Jew?

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

So you a Muslim is going to judge who is a real or fake Jew?

yes.


to be considered JEW your GRANDDAD has to JACOB

 

[Norwegian]

yes.


to be considered JEW your GRANDDAD has to JACOB

To what definition? Islamic definitions are not applicable among Jews

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

To what definition? Islamic definitions are not applicable among Jews

according to all definition, Jew is son of Jacob , son of Isaac, Son of Abraham

i.e. you cannot CONVERT to Jews.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Actually, no for Iraq and Afghanistan...

http://blogs.law.unc.edu/ncilj/2016/10/13/why-cant-the-us-just-take-iraqs-oil/

If we 'own' both countries, then we have the nominal 'right' to do whatever we want, correct?

But as the law article pointed out, no, the US do not have that 'right' in Iraq and Afghanistan.

that is exactly my Point, Might is right is not the way of modern World, just because a country can take a land or territory it doesn't mean it belongs to them .

 

[hussain0216]

Israel wasn't the aggressor in Golan Heights. Syrians shelled from the heights below inside Israeli territory. Thus IDF repulsed the attacks and captured strategic Syrian territory, which after today's US recognition now belongs to Israel


It is just a word on the paper

Yes but the paper is recognised international law

 

[YeBeWarned]

That is not how the current understanding work. Any territory acquired by a war of aggression is not recognized as belonging to the victor.

Correct , so my point is that just because Golan heights are now under Israel , doesn't make it their territory ... and everyone has to recognize it first .

 

[Norwegian]

according to all definition, Jew is son of Jacob , son of Isaac, Son of Abraham

Not according to Jewish law:

According to Jewish law, a child born to a Jewish mother or an adult who has converted to Judaism is considered a Jew; one does not have to reaffirm their Jewishness or practice any of the laws of the Torah to be Jewish. According to Reform Judaism, a person is a Jew if they were born to either a Jewish mother or a Jewish father. Also, Reform Judaismstresses the importance of being raised Jewish; if a child is born to Jewish parents and was not raised Jewish then the child is not considered Jewish. According to the Orthodox movement, the father’s religion and whether the person practices is immaterial. No affirmation or upbringing is needed, as long as the mother was Jewish.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/who-is-a-jew