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Trump: Every country must protect its oil tankers across the Gulf

india used to be the standard bearer of the Non-aligned movement. sad to see how far down the dependence ladder india has dropped. it all started when india shockingly voted against Iran in the UN and broke that non-aligned neutrality it maintained.

now a country of 1.4 billion people will take orders from an orange man simply threatning you to stop doing legitimate business with Iran.

not only do you stop your legitimiate business, but also send in ships to protect arab tankers sailing thru Iranian waters and stealing Iranian business and directly contributing to the de-facto blockade on Iran.

Be very very careful. Iran has drawn its red line ,and if Iranian tankers cant export, these arab tankers wont be exporting either. regardless of whether india thinks it can send in a couple ships to protect the arabs.

You want energy security? act like an independent country and secure your own interests. and don't take illegal orders from bullies.

pitiful what india is becoming. you have lost your identity.

Instead of the fake and non-existing bravado go ahead and attack a single Arab tanker. Attacking Norwegian and Japanese tankers (supposedly) is not going to work. Nor are Houthis acting on your behalf. They are an independent movement that were already at war with KSA 10 years ago before anyone in Iran knew who and what Houthis were.

Last time I checked Saudi Arabian and other Arab oil tankers and other ships are traveling free each single day. So it seems that there is a discrepancy between what you claim and the ground realities.
 
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Dude only waiver Iran got was at Chabahar port which has Indian investments , what about Iran backstabbing India by chanting Kashmir , your supreme leader chants Kashmir whenever he wants to blackmail us and India has not reached the level to oppose the US but we tried to get waivers as far as we could , US threatened us with sanctions and our economy is already fragile and also Iran flip flops on giving us Farzad gas field , contract couldn't be signed due to US sanctions. Also uncle sam promised to help us on other platforms in exchange for stopping oil from Iran . India and Iran have enjoyed good ties and hope so it normalises post sanctions.

I wouldn't be surprised if the indian navy is closely coordinating with iran in the Persian gulf given the good relations between the 2.

but india did betray Iran with that UN vote that shocked Iran in the mid 2000s iirc. American sanctions are illegal economic warfare. they have no legitimate basis in any international law or the UN.

its essentially a powerful country coming up to you , and saying we demand you cease your legitimate trade with this country or else.... India showed itself to be quite the lightweight in this situation.

I don't think Iran will have any sort of hostility towards indian ships. as long as they don't threaten Iranian security. though it will be a balancing act. Any ship entering the Persian gulf with the intention of supporting the blockade on Iran will be considered hostile.
 
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He is not wrong - the US has no onus to be some savior for the Middle East.
There should be a charge for US presence in the region if that is what the GCC wants.
 
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He just want to get paid from everyone.. if they want him as police in the strait..
I have a different counter theory- Let other countries bring their navies to "protect" their ships in the PG so Iran doesnt disrupt oil flow/trade in the Persian gulf from Iran's ability to easily find and attack "US ships". Trump basically admitted US alone cant stop Iran in the Persian Gulf. Trump wants CHina, Russia etc for fall for his Persian gulf "bait" and get "involved" in incidents in the PG so Iran can have other countries to "contend with/get deterred by / get retaliation from".

WOW, i cant believe what ive been reading and seeing these days regarding ME politics. when i told you all we are now in a different world, i admit, my mind hasnt fully adjusted to it too. issue is military action doesnt give US the gains it used to easily derive from it.
 
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More of these then:

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Totally agree with Trump. Why should USA be protecting the shipping lanes for other countries for free, from it's own resources anyway. Trump is a business man.
1. US would NEVER have gone to protect the Persian gulf in the first place if US interests werent being protected.

2. US doesnt want to admit it cant protect its interests completely and safely while tensions with Iran go up..
 
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MKO leak shows they colluded with Saudis on Persian Gulf explosions

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A picture provided by Iranian news agency Tasnim on June 13, 2019 reportedly shows an Iranian navy boat trying to control fire from Norwegian owned Front Altair tanker reportedly attacked in the waters of the Gulf of Oman. (Photo via AFP)

An unverified audio tape leaked from the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), a banned terrorist outfit, purportedly shows that the group colluded with Saudi Arabia in handling the aftermaths of explosions earlier this month on oil tankers near the Persian Gulf waters as the two sides sought to blame Iran for the sabotage activity.

The audio tape published on Iran Front Page on Saturday is a record of a short conversation between a senior MKO member and a sympathizer who are heard coordinating their positions on the June 13 explosions on two tankers in the Sea of Oman, which heightened already simmering tensions between Iran and the United States.

The English translation of the conversation, as provided by an online footage containing the tape, shows head of MKO’s cyber operations Shahram Fakhteh telling the sympathizer, identified as Daei-ul-Eslam, that Saudi Arabia was seeking a follow-up on the case from MKO’s chief Maryam Rajavi.

“In the past week we did our best to blame the [Iranian] regime for the [oil tanker] blasts. Saudis have called Sister Maryam [Rajavi]’s office to follow up on the results, [to get] a conclusion of what has been done, and the possible consequences,” Fakhteh is heard saying in the tape.


Daei-ul-Eslam then replies by saying that blaming Iran for the explosions can have various types of consequences for Iran and can even lead to a military operation against the country.


PressTV-‘Tankers attacks false flag incident to frame Iran’
A senior analyst says recent attacks on tankers near Persian Gulf waters were meant to target Iran.


Iran has vehemently denied any role in the attacks on the tankers while major international powers have dismissed a video provided by US alleging that Tehran was behind the explosions.

MKO has been banned in Iran and around the world for its role in numerous terrorist activities targeting Iranian and foreign nationals.

Removing its decade-long ban on the MKO, the United States has used the group as a tool to pressure Iran over the past years.

Reports have also shown that the Saudi intelligence agency has provided the MKO with vast funding, especially since main elements of the group were purged from their old bastion in Iraq more than a decade ago.


PressTV-‘Riyadh funneled tons of gold to anti-Iran MKO terrorists’
An ex-member of the anti-Iran MKO terror group details the Saudi transfer of almost $200 million worth of gold to the notorious outfit.


The group launched a demonstration outside US States Department in Washington DC on Friday calling for a military operation against Iran.

The march came after US president Donald Trump reportedly called off planned military strikes against Iran following Tehran’s downing of an unmanned military plane over its territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on Thursday.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/06/22/599159/Iran-MKO-Saudi-tankers-audio
 
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Instead of the fake and non-existing bravado go ahead and attack a single Arab tanker. Attacking Norwegian and Japanese tankers (supposedly) is not going to work. Nor are Houthis acting on your behalf. They are an independent movement that were already at war with KSA 10 years ago before anyone in Iran knew who and what Houthis were.

Last time I checked Saudi Arabian and other Arab oil tankers and other ships are traveling free each single day. So it seems that there is a discrepancy between what you claim and the ground realities.

lets learn a new word today lizard eater.

its called "nokhodi"

when you go to play football or some sport with friends. and somebody brings his little brother along..... that little brother is a "nokhodi" he doesn't even factor into the teams numbers. he will just go to some random team and play.

that's what this bastard creation of british spies "Saudi arabia" is. A nokhodi. Iran doesn't even factor you in the geopolitical equation and sees you as an American vassal.

now go to some quiet corner nokhodi and let the big boys handle this. You are an irrelevant vassal. I actually optimistically put American protection as 40-50 years left.... looks like they might be dumping your *** much faster then that.
 
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lets learn a new word today lizard eater.

its called "nokhodi"

when you go to play football or some sport with friends. and somebody brings his little brother along..... that little brother is a "nokhodi" he doesn't even factor into the teams numbers. he will just go to some random team and play.

that's what this bastard creation of british spies "Saudi arabia" is. A nokhodi. Iran doesn't even factor you in the geopolitical equation and sees you as an American vassal.

now go to some quiet corner nokhodi and let the big boys handle this. You are an irrelevant vassal. I actually optimistically put American protection as 40-50 years left.... looks like they might be dumping your *** much faster then that.

What are you blabbering about donkey brain eater?

Arab cuisine is much more influential, widespread and well-known than Iranian. You don't even register in comparison.

Sure, is that why your Arabized wannabe Arab Mullah's who all claim ancestry to people from modern-day KSA (Arabia), follow an religion from Arabia, worship people from Arabia in Qom and Mashhad, name all their "indigenous" weapons with Arabic names from Arabia, obsess about KSA/Arabs 24/7 yet do not dare to attack KSA directly. It has been 40 years. Since even before your Khomeini stooge was transported on a airplane from France to your small country, your "founding father and spiritual leader" was already blabbering about Madinah and Makkah and KSA. Your PissTV has 100's of articles about KSA each day. Give me a break and don't turn yourself into a bigger laughing stock than already the case.

In any case big words from the region's biggest US and Israeli lapdog for 50+ years.

Understand one thing once and for all. You are an ant economically, geographically etc. compared to just KSA alone let alone the entire Arab world. Within a few decades we will have a larger population as well.

Stick to harmless attacks on Norwegian and Japanese tankers (I forgot, you claimed it was an "inside job") rather than blabbering about preventing Arab oil tankers. While we speak Arab oil tankers are traveling to China etc. and across the world while you are eating grass in Iran and taking it up the *** from the US.

Listen, we Arabs (let alone in KSA) have nothing against ordinary Iranians or even your country, but when your likes are insulting Arabs 24/7 here, you can expect such kinds of reply on your level and which are not needed to have a constructive debate. None of us are going anywhere. Accept that and get over some events that occurred 1400 years ago that had nothing to do with anyone alive today.

He is not wrong - the US has no onus to be some savior for the Middle East.
There should be a charge for US presence in the region if that is what the GCC wants.

The best thing that the US could do is to leave the region. Not only Western Asia, Arab world, MENA but the entire Muslim world. The problem is that the US has no such intention. Other than weapons (that could be replaced by other systems from say Russia or China) the US is doing more harm than good. Mutual trade is all fine (KSA has had a annual trade surplus for 50+ years), educational cooperation between universities, exchange programs etc. but the US is not the only such country on the planet that offers that.

I think that "allies and enemies alike", other than Israel, are quite tired of US actions in the region. Even more so with an unstable Trump who does not even have a club about what he is doing or that of his administration.
 
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What a load of bull. We came to save your arse back in the early 60s after you could not fight Egyptian attack from Yemen and requested JFK to save your arse and we sent our fighters to save your rear

Do you understand the word "proportions"? You are comparing a civil war where 10.000 people have died that KSA did not start with the Iraq fiasco based on fake intel where 50 times as many people died.
And you were right there stabbing your Arab brother's back while supporting USA. Something you guys have learnt well after you stabbed Ottoman Empire in their back and conspired with west and brought a huge Muslim caliphate down. We see your past and present glory.
No "systematic" manner. Even the useless and biased UN has not made such a conclusion. There were a few incidents of civilian targets being struck which is an unfortunate but completely normal consequence of fighting a militia that deliberately hides among civilians and does not wear any uniforms. Yes, sure, the "world's worst humanitarian crisis" in some imaginary galaxy.

According to UN and I am quoting here "The Saudi-led military coalition, which includes the UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait, has “targeted civilians … in a widespread and systematic manner”, – dropping bombs on hospitals, schools, weddings, funerals and even camps for displaced people fleeing the bombing".
There is no such thing. All pilots are local, refueling is done locally and there are no "advisers" on the ground as the US let alone UK (lol) are not involved in that war at all. KSA is not paying for anything other than military equipment.

Only the fighter jets are Western but you don't have monopoly on fighter jets in this world.
Apparently the news has not reached you or you deliberately ignored for the sake of patting yourself on your back: US and Britain do not merely supply weapons for this war: they provide the personnel and expertise required to keep the war going. The British government has deployed RAF personnel to work as engineers, and to train Saudi pilots and targeteers – while an even larger role is played by BAE Systems, Britain’s biggest arms company, which the government has subcontracted to provide weapons, maintenance and engineers inside Saudi Arabia.

I want to remain you of the fact that KSA has had a trade (annual) surplus with the US for 50 years and counting.
Yes, and I will remind you that all your surplus is in our dollars and is sitting safe in our banks. Of course your Saudi government trusts American and western non believers more than any of your brethren Islamic country. Other than oil what else do you have to gain a surplus?


Only the fighter jets are Western but you don't have monopoly on fighter jets in this world.
Just for your records, your Saudi military is heavily dependent on U.S. weapons and support, and you can not operate effectively without them. Two-thirds of the 365 combat capable aircraft in the your arsenal are of U.S.-origin, including 171 F-15 combat aircraft, a mainstay of the Saudi air war in Yemen to kill innocents. Your land forces and national guard possess over 3,000 armored vehicles supplied by the US, and then you have tens of thousands of U.S.-supplied bombs and missiles. Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics are by far the biggest suppliers, from combat aircraft and attack helicopters (Boeing), to precision-guided bombs (Raytheon and Lockheed Martin), to missile defense systems (Raytheon and Lockheed Martin), to combat ships (Lockheed Martin) to tanks (General Dynamics), to transport planes and helicopters (Lockheed Martin), the largest U.S. defense contractors are the biggest customers and most important suppliers of the Saudi military.

I was there not too long ago going over the 10 year service contract for one of our systems. Don't even think about bragging about your independence from the support we provide you. Heck, half of your people don't even show up to work because they were fasting.

As for nothing to show for, certainly more than the gigantic Iraq fiasco which is 1 billion times worse than any Saudi Arabian involvement in Yemen by every measurable statistic.
And your govt. plus all these puppet rinky dinky Arab monarchies were right there helping us with that fiasco by providing us bases and free oil for the support. So what are you complaining about?
 
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The best thing that the US could do is to leave the region. Not only Western Asia, Arab world, MENA but the entire Muslim world. The problem is that the US has no such intention. Other than weapons (that could be replaced by other systems from say Russia or China) the US is doing more harm than good. Mutual trade is all fine (KSA has had a annual trade surplus for 50+ years), educational cooperation between universities, exchange programs etc. but the US is not the only such country on the planet that offers that.

I think that "allies and enemies alike", other than Israel, are quite tired of US actions in the region. Even more so with an unstable Trump who does not even have a club about what he is doing or that of his administration.

Because in reality, America is satan. Baby boomer evangelicals which rule that country constantly bring problems to the middle east on Israel's behalf.

The Iraq war 2003 wouldn't be possible without Iraq's neighbors, Kuwait found it necessary to satisfy its ego as they were angry. Kuwait.. Qatar.. Bahrain.. what the **** is that?
Although the 2003 was was a relief for many given it released the country from the 90's sanctions. US still is a bad influence.

Either way I think it's time to take control of Awrupa since they can't leave us alone.
 
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What a load of bull. We came to save your arse back in the early 60s after you could not fight Egyptian attack from Yemen and requested JFK to save your arse and we sent our fighters to save your rear


And you were right there stabbing your Arab brother's back while supporting USA. Something you guys have learnt well after you stabbed Ottoman Empire in their back and conspired with west and brought a huge Muslim caliphate down. We see your past and present glory.


According to UN and I am quoting here "The Saudi-led military coalition, which includes the UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait, has “targeted civilians … in a widespread and systematic manner”, – dropping bombs on hospitals, schools, weddings, funerals and even camps for displaced people fleeing the bombing".

Apparently the news has not reached you or you deliberately ignored for the sake of patting yourself on your back: US and Britain do not merely supply weapons for this war: they provide the personnel and expertise required to keep the war going. The British government has deployed RAF personnel to work as engineers, and to train Saudi pilots and targeteers – while an even larger role is played by BAE Systems, Britain’s biggest arms company, which the government has subcontracted to provide weapons, maintenance and engineers inside Saudi Arabia.


Yes, and I will remind you that all your surplus is in our dollars and is sitting safe in our banks. Of course your Saudi government trusts American and western non believers more than any of your brethren Islamic country. Other than oil what else do you have to gain a surplus?



Just for your records, your Saudi military is heavily dependent on U.S. weapons and support, and you can not operate effectively without them. Two-thirds of the 365 combat capable aircraft in the your arsenal are of U.S.-origin, including 171 F-15 combat aircraft, a mainstay of the Saudi air war in Yemen to kill innocents. Your land forces and national guard possess over 3,000 armored vehicles supplied by the US, and then you have tens of thousands of U.S.-supplied bombs and missiles. Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics are by far the biggest suppliers, from combat aircraft and attack helicopters (Boeing), to precision-guided bombs (Raytheon and Lockheed Martin), to missile defense systems (Raytheon and Lockheed Martin), to combat ships (Lockheed Martin) to tanks (General Dynamics), to transport planes and helicopters (Lockheed Martin), the largest U.S. defense contractors are the biggest customers and most important suppliers of the Saudi military.

I was there not too long ago going over the 10 year service contract for one of our systems. Don't even think about bragging about your independence from the support we provide you. Heck, half of your people don't even show up to work because they were fasting.


And your govt. plus all these puppet rinky dinky Arab monarchies were right there helping us with that fiasco by providing us bases and free oil for the support. So what are you complaining about?

What the hell are you blabbering about, troll? It is clear that you are pretending to be a White American while in reality likely of Muslim background and too afraid to tell about the country of your origin.

The fighting took place in Northern Yemen not inside KSA. You did not send any troops either, lol. The republicans (mainly Sunnis) won the war when Nasser sent Egyptian ground troops after that war became a Vietnam for Egyptians and them losing more soldiers than in any other war in their modern history.

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Indeed, all it took to defeat the "mighty Ottomans" (themselves mostly Arab and a joke of a "Caliphate" - no single Caliph making Hajj or Umrah even once) were a few Arab clans in Hijaz and Levant. Later in Iraq too.

Indeed, 1000 years of ruling the Caliphate from the beginning until 1517 and creating more and larger empires than anyone else in the region and being the most influential culture, language, civilization etc. The living legacy being the Arab and Muslim world. Not too bad, I would say. Nor historians.

According to the UN Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. You can wipe your *** with that nonsense.

10.000 casualties in 4.5 years of civil war. More than half of them the direct fault of Houthis. Those are the facts on the ground.

This is not the 1960's. KSA does not need nor receives any American or UK support on the ground. The US's sole involvement is using drones to hit AQAP from CENTCOM bases (Qatar) in Yemen.

In fact the Senate has done everything to not involve US. Blocking weapons sales. Crying 24/7 too.

Retard, KSA has the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world only second to that of Norway and China and most of the investments are done in the East and inside KSA and buying up Western firms and property and doing investments. This is not your "property". The average American has nothing to do with it.

Your remaining nonsense is what it is.

Let me remind you of the fact that you have TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of debt while KSA is one of the top 5 countries that have the least depth and the biggest trade surplus.

Sure, on PDF everyone is a 5 star general. It is obvious from your nonsense that you have been based in KSA for the grand total of 0 seconds or as much as I have been based in Mongolia for 10 years.

As I said your support (no support, KSA and every other country be they Uk or Western countries) are paying for those fighter jets with the nice trade surplus that we receive from you. Even the bombs are being (while we speak) manufactured in KSA and more will be manufactured inside after the recent deal was signed in regards to the smart bombs. That and the patriots. So it is business and not some donations.

If the US would not need KSA it would not have such close ties. It is very simple. Don't think for a second that Russia and China would not jump the second your deep state decides to "leave" the region, lol.

Lastly go ponder why KSA is building a sophisticated ballistic missile program since 30+ years ago able to carry medium and long-range missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads (potentially) and otherwise increasing defense ties with China and more recently with Russia (S-400) and why the US is not saying a word about that deal unlike with Turkey.

Because in reality, America is satan. Baby boomer evangelicals which rule that country constantly bring problems to the middle east on Israel's behalf.

The Iraq war 2003 wouldn't be possible without Iraq's neighbors, Kuwait found it necessary to satisfy its ego as they were angry. Kuwait.. Qatar.. Bahrain.. what the **** is that?
Although the 2003 was was a relief for many given it released the country from the 90's sanctions. US still is a bad influence.

Either way I think it's time to take control of Awrupa since they can't leave us alone.

As I have been saying always, if there was unity, no such things would occur. It is mostly (if not fully) due to the reasons that I and @Falcon29 discussed earlier in this thread. That and there being 20+ Arab states in the first place.
 
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The US political system is playing a double game in the region with Israel being the sole "holy cow". As usual. There is also a war between the democrats and the republicans. The Senate is crying about blocking weapons sales to KSA (even defensive in nature such as the THAAD!) due to the democrats being the democrats. I say allow the Houthis (deliberately) to target some compound inhabited by Americans or terrorists to target them and see them (Senate) change their tune. Internal political wars are no excuse. Either you are an ally/partner or not.

Only a presidential veto will solve it which will most likely happen and it will all be "forgotten". The Houthis are not even listed on the US terrorist list despite committing terrorism and war crimes on a wide scale while screaming "death to America" and those words being part of their official slogan.

Sorry to say it but they are not a reliable "ally" at all. We should continue to try and have cordial ties with the US (business in particular where we have had a trade surplus each year for 50+ years), business, educational, scientific etc. wise but US foreign policy cannot be trusted which is also why I am happy that we have developed such close and strategic ties with China and a host of powerful countries and are working towards full independence on every field and diversifying our weapons purchases and opening new partnerships with Russia.

If you notice all the "enemies of KSA" (in the past 40 years), not even once have the US attacked them with the exception of Kuwait and that was only due to them fearing that 1 Arab country (Iraq) would control most of the oil and gas in the region potentially and expand to create 1 powerful regional Arab country. They would have attacked us as well if we tried to incorporate smaller GCC states back in 1990, say Qatar.

Neither Hezbollah, neither Houthis, neither Shia terrorist groups in Iraq let alone the Iranian Mullah regime. In fact I have no doubt in my mind that the US deep state prefers an alliance with the tiny Shias over the Sunnis (in particular Sunni Arabs) who would be a totally different beast to go up against in a worst case scenario.

Not even going to talk about the whole Qatar affair. The US has the largest military base in Qatar in the region yet cannot prevent tiny Qatar from cozying up to the Mullah's. their supposed "archenemies" in the region. A joke that nobody believes in.

No ally is perfect, neither is KSA a perfect ally for the US or US interests (far from it) but the leadership would do well not to be blinded by the US and I think that recent years events in the region have woken even the biggest ignorants up.

Unfortunately Arabs and Muslims are their own biggest enemies and instead of uniting, people (within their own countries) are conspiring against each other. You have "Egyptians" sitting in Qatar or Turkey and openly wishing for Egypt's destruction due to politics. Sellouts in the West barking against their countries of origin etc. to score some brownie points. Power hungry (all of them) etc. Sad state of affairs in the Muslim world and world as a whole.

A very apt analysis of situation. KSA is working really smartly and is diversifying. KSA is also building a strong military with huge imports and also a General like raheel sharif training its forces.
I think KSA is getting ready to be more independent. they know the westerners hate them so at some point saudi will have to stand up to big powers. We saw how canada was weeping.
Pakistan playing a vital role in building saudi high quality fighting force. Equipped with latest technology, this would be a force to reckon with.

Lolz stupid decision. The chinese will be happy to send their new ships, with access to ally Pakistan gawadar just right the corner.
 
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Been telling my arab friends so not trust the US it will always back stab you, never will they attack any enemy of sunni Muslims,
Pakistan has tried and tested usa many times and learnt it lessons . Kia has been blindly depending in usa which is sheer stupidity, usa through UN foiled coalition into Sweden agreement to protect houthis on the verge of defeat at hodeidah, if hodeidah falls houthis are choked
Again be nice to usa but dunt trust them
Pak did in 1971 and lost Bangladesh
 
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