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Trump: Every country must protect its oil tankers across the Gulf

I think the leadership in the Arab and Muslim world is quite aware of the US acrobatics in its foreign affairs.
This tweet in particular concerns all nations that get their OIL through the Hormuz strait, mainly China, Japan, South Korea and many others.. India for example did send 2 frigates last week to protect its Oil shipments.. Trump wants all the others to do the same..

But they are not calling them out? Why are the Houthis not on the official US terrorist list despite fulfilling all the obligations to be on such a US list and despite the Houthis (supposedly) openly being anti-US by their barking and slogans? It is a very simple question that needs answers. Are the Houthis not threatening a key strategic sea of the world where American military assists, trade ships etc. use every single/week day in great numbers? Or have I missed something?

Sure, nobody will allow anyone to block anything nor is anyone capable of doing that without getting carpet bombed in return hence nobody has attempted to do it. It is Iranian hot air like so much else. My comment was more about the political mess and contractions that we are witnessing and the inability for our leaders to confront that more successfully.

Why in the good world is Qatar and several Arab countries having that absurd dispute that is poisoning the Arab political spectrum and has given rise to a 2.5 year long propaganda war from both sides that does nothing but further divide us and the Arab world? The issues can be easily solved. We are brothers and sisters that share everything in common. This was never a people to people problem. So-called allies are playing both sides out. They are shooting themselves in the foot like most Muslim leaderships of the world whether Mullah's, Erdogan or others. Only Indonesia appear to be immune of this due to geographic location, population, size and economy. "Diversity in unity" is their motto. Could be a motto that we should adopt especially politically.
 
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@Al Watan Al Arabi

Muslim Brotherhood in Arab world can't deal with the issues in Arab world but neither can our current regimes. Even if the divisions were put aside, you can't change Iraq or Syria easily. And these regimes and their supporters will be '3ajizeen' still because they are simply not qualified to rule the people. Al Arabiya really frustrates, for the past month ever since this oil tanker crisis and Houthi attacks on Saudi airport, they somehow think seeking statements from US officials is going to change reality on ground. They need to look to God first, then themselves second, and US third. We are a proud people with a history we take pride in, and we had superb strategy at the time of the Prophet(AS) and the Caliphs/Sahaba afterwards. I don't know what the issue is, are people scared of dying in war or scared of war? There's too much irrational fear. There needs to be some people that die in order to secure a better and safer future for us, that's just how it works. Problem is many lives already went to waste due to lack of political strategy.

Honestly we need an alternative to the MB and regimes. I read your response btw and I agree with most of what you said.
Trump was always an idiot. Everyone knew about it. However he was most likely the lesser evil for the region then Clinton. I am not sure what the Arab rulers in power expected, expect or what their long-term thinking is. It is all really confusing. This show (comedy as I would call it) has been going on for 40 years and the only thing that I know for certain is that nobody wants a strong and united Arab world (let alone the GCC) and that they are fearful of Sunni Muslims Sunni Arabs in particular while many of them (decision makers) have a soft spot for Shias hence my examples. While every semi-independent Sunni movement (regional) is demonized. Not even going to talk about the militant ones which are no different from their Shia counterparts despite the propaganda that tells otherwise.

Arab rulers are not sophisticated, they think in traditional way. They lack foresight. So when he was campaigning and said he will pull out of the nuclear deal, they got all excited. And if you read what the regime supporters say, you will see they are clueless. They are being friendly to the republicans and referring to the democrats as 'libtards', as if they are part of Trumps base? Do these morons know republican base has a big hatred against Islam and especially Arab Sunnis? They are not aware of anything. They are still trying to convince themselves that everything is under control and imagining that Trump will hit Iran. Even if he does, it does not mean everything will work in our favor. This is why we need rulers who are qualified to rule the Arabs.

If you look for example at some of the amateurish political commentators(who are popular to an extent), like Yusuf 3lawanah, he refuses to acknowledge that the US is not being transparent about this whole Iran situation. He will twist every new uncertainty and make it appear like it was planned to be that way and that Trump is not throwing allies under bus, instead trying to deceive the Iranians. I hope you don't take this in wrong way, I've very critical of our leaders and care about our people so much. I am no Ikhwan guy or Shia, probably more hardline Sunni than you are. And I'm sick of the continued decades of these leadership we have.
 
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But they are not calling them out? Why are the Houthis not on the official US terrorist list despite fulfilling all the obligations to be on such a US list and despite the Houthis (supposedly) openly being anti-US by their barking and slogans? It is a very simple question that needs answers. Are the Houthis not threatening a key strategic sea of the world where American military assists, trade ships etc. use every single/week day in great numbers? Or have I missed something?

Sure, nobody will allow anyone to block anything nor is anyone capable of doing that without getting carpet bombed in return hence nobody has attempted to do it. It is Iranian hot air like so much else. My comment was more about the political mess and contractions that we are witnessing and the inability for our leaders to confront that more successfully.

Why in the good world is Qatar and several Arab countries having that absurd dispute that is poisoning the Arab political spectrum and has given rise to a 2.5 year long propaganda war from both sides that does nothing but further divide us and the Arab world? The issues can be easily solved. We are brothers and sisters that share everything in common. This was never a people to people problem. So-called allies are playing both sides out. They are shooting themselves in the foot like most Muslim leaderships of the world whether Mullah's, Erdogan or others. Only Indonesia appear to be immune of this due to geographic location, population, size and economy. "Diversity in unity" is their motto. Could be a motto that we should adopt especially politically.

We are so stubborn and making lots of mistakes. Even in Yemen, I believe Arabs could have brought the Houthis into their fold. If we worked with all Yemenis for a political transition process and not went with traditional approach to the conflict. Also I think , because some of us(back in Arab world, not on forum) look down at poorer Arabs, it does not help. We should respect all Arabs equally and especially let Yemenis feel that respect and feel they are important as any other Arabs. It could certainly push public sentiment of Yemenis to our favor. Sometimes people are just looking for respect/representation. If there was good leadership in Arab world today I find it hard to believe Houthis would look to Iran.
 
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In other words USA gave away police stats of the world...so he is no more policeman...I was telling this years back. Time is for China to take its leadership
He just want to get paid from everyone.. if they want him as police in the strait..
 
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He just want to get paid from everyone.. if they want him as police in the strait..

Politics is not about business, Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab nations are good to the US, historically have sold them oil at great price, and purchase lots of weapons from them. They also do their part as far as strategic commitment to the US goes by hosting US bases/troops and allowing US companies to establish themselves in their countries. Trump is putting US strategic interests on the line and risk Russia/China filling in the void which is not in US national interest irregardless of which President there is.
 
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@Al Watan Al Arabi

Muslim Brotherhood in Arab world can't deal with the issues in Arab world but neither can our current regimes. Even if the divisions were put aside, you can't change Iraq or Syria easily. And these regimes and their supporters will be '3ajizeen' still because they are simply not qualified to rule the people. Al Arabiya really frustrates, for the past month ever since this oil tanker crisis and Houthi attacks on Saudi airport, they somehow think seeking statements from US officials is going to change reality on ground. They need to look to God first, then themselves second, and US third. We are a proud people with a history we take pride in, and we had superb strategy at the time of the Prophet(AS) and the Caliphs/Sahaba afterwards. I don't know what the issue is, are people scared of dying in war or scared of war? There's too much irrational fear. There needs to be some people that die in order to secure a better and safer future for us, that's just how it works. Problem is many lives already went to waste due to lack of political strategy.

Honestly we need an alternative to the MB and regimes. I read your response btw and I agree with most of what you said.


Arab rulers are not sophisticated, they think in traditional way. They lack foresight. So when he was campaigning and said he will pull out of the nuclear deal, they got all excited. And if you read what the regime supporters say, you will see they are clueless. They are being friendly to the republicans and referring to the democrats as 'libtards', as if they are part of Trumps base? Do these morons know republican base has a big hatred against Islam and especially Arab Sunnis? They are not aware of anything. They are still trying to convince themselves that everything is under control and imagining that Trump will hit Iran. Even if he does, it does not mean everything will work in our favor. This is why we need rulers who are qualified to rule the Arabs.

If you look for example at some of the amateurish political commentators(who are popular to an extent), like Yusuf 3lawanah, he refuses to acknowledge that the US is not being transparent about this whole Iran situation. He will twist every new uncertainty and make it appear like it was planned to be that way and that Trump is not throwing allies under bus, instead trying to deceive the Iranians. I hope you don't take this in wrong way, I've very critical of our leaders and care about our people so much. I am no Ikhwan guy or Shia, probably more hardline Sunni than you are. And I'm sick of the continued decades of these leadership we have.

The key problem is that those in power and those seeking to gain power (generally) are incapable of working together. In a perfect world there should be cooperation regardless of ideology on key and obvious (at least for me and most sane Arabs) areas such as common security, common interests etc. Arabs (by large) need to accept that people have different viewpoints and that not everything is black and white. The MB itself is not some uniform movement. The branches are completely different depending on the Arab country. Many have different policies as well. Likewise with the monarchies and republics, nationalists, secularists etc. Or even "Islamists" (I hate that word). Oman and KSA are both monarchies but with different policies. Iraq is a republic but completely different (politically) from Egypt which is also a republic. Some republics are basically military states (Egypt, Syria etc.) while others are basically Shia Islamists with a democratic mandate (Iraq). Some countries (Lebanon) are 3 countries within one (Shia Hezbollah South, Sunni center and North and the Christians scattered all over but mostly in the valleys and mountains along the Druze).

All those different viewpoints (common in every country and society) should try to find a common ground and understand that if 1 or 2 of them will fall everyone else will potentially fall to or eventually. If a country falls everyone in it will fall regardless of ideology.

Arabs, especially Sunni Arabs (85% of the population) share common grounds (I am only talking about political aspect here not what we as Arabs have in common regardless of politics) on almost every front. While you lean towards the MB (from past discussions) and have hope of them doing better or at least influencing things in a better direction I am a bit more skeptical. On the other hand I am not ideologically aligned at all as long as the fundamentals (for me and most Arabs) are ensured such as prosperity, security, unity, respect for our culture, civilization, Islam (while also respecting minorities as long as the minorities respect the majority and do what is the best for the common good), a Caliph, king, president, Mullah or what not can rule for all I care.

What I am doing is just comparing. Sorry to say this but many Arab Shias (instead of creating an distinct Shia Arab identity across the borders) have become a pawn of the Iranian Mullah's to a large extent and seek "security" and comfort from them while they will not save them and while they should be doing that themselves. Similarly the MB (at least those from Egypt, after all this is an Egyptian movement created in Egypt 100 years ago in circumstances that made it rose up back then, it cannot be directly applied to every Arab state at all) was at times too closely aligned to outside forces (US, Erdogan etc.) that history has clearly shown care little about what is the best for the Arab world but solely their own interests. Which is understandable and part of the game but as I said, there is no need to involve any foreigners here. We are not talking about some tiny country or people but 20 + countries spread across a territory almost the size of Russia and with a population of 500 million and quickly growing (another challenge). Start with closer regional blocs (the only logical and necessary solution) and the rest will naturally come with good leadership.

First however, the regimes and people should call idiotic internal struggles out and ask themselves who gains on this and ask themselves if they (those involved, not talking about some select few leaders that might gain from it if they are power hungry) or their countries and peoples gain from it or the opposite.

Al Arabiya has little to do with Saudi Arabian state media or state directly actually.

Investment and Ownership
According to unconfirmed reports, Al Arabiya was founded through investment by the Middle East Broadcasting Center, as well as other investors from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the Persian Gulf states.[9] Through MBC, Saudi Prince Abdulaziz bin Fahd and his maternal uncle Waleed bin Ibrahim al Ibrahim own and have control over Al Arabiya.[14]

In March 2012, the channel launched a new channel, Al-Hadath which focuses exclusively on prolonged extensive coverage of political news.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Arabiya

You have different viewpoints in the Saud Arabian media depending on the media. For instance Okaz can often have a totally different opinion to Al Arabiya or Arab newspapers based abroad.

As for the rest that you wrote, I agree completely and as always it starts by looking within and appealing to the leaders to wake up and work towards unity and then rest (time and development) will do the rest and eventually people that truly reflect the people will reach power like throughout our history in the past or even more modern era.

Some kind of pan-Arab framework where fundamental parcels (common interest such as security, economy, shared past, present, future and destiny by virtue of geography alone, the aspirations of people, an independent policy that reflect our size on every front and history etc.) should be created where every group regardless of ideology can help contribute this framework. Unfortunately such a thing is impossible in today's reality and with today's regimes in power as they have no interest in such a thing as they know that they would lose legitimacy and ultimately power as they have failed on so many fronts.
 
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Totally agree with Trump. Why should USA be protecting the shipping lanes for other countries for free, from it's own resources anyway. Trump is a business man.
 
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He just want to get paid from everyone.. if they want him as police in the strait..
And no one will pay him a single penny...I believe in this all India is in deep trouble.. India needs to make agreement with Pakistan .. they can not send their ship all the time to near the waters of its enemy state ....India will ask arabs to help India to get agreement with Pakistan...trump is hurting India more then China and Iran...
 
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Totally agree with Trump. Why should USA be protecting the shipping lanes for other countries for free from it's own resources anyway. Trump is a business man.

Our discussion here has little to do with the US and its foreign policy (which as that of any nation state especially superpower is that of purely self-interests irrespective of which side is supported or not) but more internal matters but don't be surprised when people of the region question your policies in the region and many contractions. So-called allies and friends too.

Stop trying to make it sound like we are talking about Papua New Guinea where the US has no presence or strategic interests. We are talking about some of the most important, resource rich etc. areas on the entire planet with almost 1 century of direct US involvement that is reflected to this very day in some of the region's many US military bases and deep trade, military, counterterroism etc. ties.

If Trump truly wants to get out of the region and Muslim world as a whole he should do just that and let others fill the vacuum whether locals (most likely) or maybe a rising China or Russia that wants closer ties to Arab states. This double play is something that the US themselves are losing on. Take the scandalous Iraq war and the fiasco there. Nothing was gained at all other than trillions wasted, 1000's of dead US soldiers, many more wounded not to mention all those that committed suicide afterwards (a few daily or how many again?) and left with scars for the rest of their lives.

ISIS rose up instead (worse than what was before) and you gifted half of that country on a plate to your supposed regional "archenemy" who turned an oil and gas rich country into a shithole (sadly) under the watch of the Iranian Mullah's. But, but "democracy" came, a system and constitution that I wide my *** with and which is a gigantic failure. Not to mention the KRG farce as well (leeches) that life of Basra's oil but conspire against the Iraqi state. But some retarded Shias aligned with Iran and their pockets are happy while the average people are struggling. Good stuff.

@CamelGuy

Great policy. Now Trump's erratic and idiotic policy and nonsense "deal of the century" is at risk of blowing up in your face as well while US-infleunced (Jewish American) Israeli media is writing fairytale reports about certain Arab states (KSA) to demonize the people of those states in the eyes of fellow Arabs as if we supported Israel.
 
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Neither Hezbollah, neither Houthis, neither Shia terrorist groups in Iraq let alone the Iranian Mullah regime. In fact I have no doubt in my mind that the US deep state prefers an alliance with the tiny Shias over the Sunnis (in particular Sunni Arabs) who would be a totally different beast to go up against in a worst case scenario.

I think that too. I think the same can be said about the average non-Muslim in the west too.

They detest pakistan and saudi and turkey. But suddenly have a soft spot for Iran.
 
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