Trump already knee deep in Kashmir mediation

[PaulSimon]

Its a first after a very long time an American president talking about Kashmir when he talks about India and Pakistan. This is a good thing. As India is an occupying power, it will not like being talked about occupied Kasmir.

India has no intention to resolve Kashmir as per original settlement with Kashmiris. It wants to annex the territory. For all the last decade and a half, it has tried to keep Pakistan busy with terror sponsored from across Afghanistan and getting it mired in terror narrative it has spread around the globe against Pakistan. Pakistan had its own fault in not getting after India in kind.

Now with one stupid move, India has internationalized Kashmir it always wanted to avoid. I hope Pakistan will keep on the pressure and aggression regarding Kashmir. Now it should not settle for anything less than 1) getting back UNGOMIP office return to occupied territory & 2) to keep pursuing aggressively resolution of Kashmir according to UN resolutions.

Offers of talks from India will come. Now Pakistan should put conditions for talk. India is not a country to appease. It needs a bamboo pushed up where sun does not shine.

Many people do not understand the great game being played here.

This has less to do with either India or Pakistan. The focus is primarily China.

India and Pakistan would be forced to give up their claims on Kashmir to make an independent country of Kashmir consisting of GB, AJK, Kashmir & Kargil.

Once this is done, Afghanistan and Kashmir would become the front line states supporting Xinjiang's independence from China.

 

[Psychic]

That's exactly what right wing Hindus believe too.

Right wing Hindus and Right wing Muslims are two sides of the same coin created by the British.

Many a right wing Muslims were kissing Nehru's posterior.
Darulaloom still does.
No one elected right wingers in Pak, let alone criminals and mass murderers.

And one has to be a third degree fool if he thinks that Jinnah and RSS were two sides of the same coin. Seriously?
We did not want to live under you people, we made our own country. Today Jinnah's narrative stands vindicated.

 

[PaulSimon]

Many a right wing Muslims were kissing Nehru's posterior.
Darulaloom still does.
No one elected right wingers in Pak, let alone criminals and mass murderers.

And one has to be a third degree fool if he thinks that Jinnah and RSS were two sides of the same coin. Seriously?
We did not want to live under you people, we made our own country. Today Jinnah's narrative stands vindicated.

You should read about the creation of Indian Muslim League and Hindu Maha Sabha by the British through Minto-Morley Reforms.

 

[Psychic]

You should read about the creation of Indian Muslim League and Hindu Maha Sabha by the British through Minto-Morley Reforms.

You should stop making ridiculous statements like the one below.

Right wing Hindus and Right wing Muslims are two sides of the same coin created by the British

 

[PaulSimon]

You should stop making ridiculous statements like the one below.

Do you consider Indian Muslim League and Hindu Maha Sabha as secular organizations? If yes, then I have nothing more to say.

 

[Psychic]

Do you consider Indian Muslim League and Hindu Maha Sabha as secular organizations? If yes, then I have nothing more to say.

The utopia where Hindus and Muslims could co-exist simply doesn't exist.
The sooner you wake up and smell the coffee the better.

Jinnah foresaw that, he saw right through the facade of secularism.

P.S We are not answerable to you for exercising our right of self-determination. We simply dont want to live under your rule. Get that drilled in your head. Call that right wing or RSS or whatever you want, reality doesn't change just because you start comparing apples to oranges.

 

[scorpionx]

Yawn. Mr.Trump will once again chew his own words. I doubt his statements are taken seriously among his own administration.

 

[sam_so_knight]

Neither India nor Pakistan can go on the offensive and win a war. The sooner people realize this the better.

disagree, conventionaly India is superior

 

[HAIDER]

WASHINGTON: US President Donald said on Tuesday that he would do his best to mediate in the “explosive and complicated” Kashmir dispute between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan.

Talking to reporters at the White House, President Trump said he would discuss this possibility over the weekend with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The two leaders are slated to meet at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, this weekend.

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn’t say they get along so great,” President Trump said. “I will do the best I can to mediate.”

The US leader first offered to mediate between India and Pakistan over Kashmir at a White House news conference with Prime Minister Imran Khan on July 22. Mr Khan immediately accepted the offer, saying that over a billion people would pray for the US leader if he helped resolve the issue.

India, however, declined the offer, saying that it wanted no external assistance for talks with Pakistan on Kashmir or any other issue.

“I really get along with both (Mr Modi and Mr Khan) of them. As you know, Prime Minister Khan was here just recently. I will be with PM Modi … over the weekend in France,” Mr Trump said at his Oval Office press talk.

Indian scholar suggests US leader already playing the role of a mediator

“I think, we are helping (resolve the tense) situation” between India and Pakistan, he added.

Mr Trump said there’s a “tremendous problem” between the two countries. “It’s a complicated situation. A lot has to do with religion. Religion is a complicated subject.”

The US president said the Subcontinent was having “these talks for hundreds of years, even under different names”.

In a tweet released late on Monday, Mr Trump said he had reached out to his “good friends” — the Indian and Pakistani prime ministers — to help reduce tensions in Kashmir.

Read: Trump stresses need to reduce India-Pakistan tension in phone calls to PM Imran, Modi

Although the president’s move fits the classical definition of mediation between two parties who are refusing to talk to each other, a senior official of the US Department said it’s not.

“The president is not mediating but has offered to do so if asked by both parties,” the official said. India refuses to accept any external help in resolving its disputes with Pakistan and is particularly sensitive about Jammu and Kashmir which, it insists, is an internal issue.

President Trump’s mediation — even though the State Department doesn’t describe it as such — began last Friday when Prime Minister Khan called the US leader and spoke to him for 12 minutes about the situation in Occupied Kashmir.

On Monday, Prime Minister Modi called Mr Trump and spoke for 30 minutes, complaining about his Pakistani counterpart’s allegedly “incendiary rhetoric”, which he said was destabilising the region.

Soon after listening to his “good friend” in India, the US president called his other “good friend, in Pakistan, and told him that there was a need for him to tone down his rhetoric and reduce tensions”.

In his conversation, according to a White House readout, Mr Trump “reaffirmed the need to avoid escalation of the situation and urged restraint” on both sides.

Then the president went to Twitter to announce that he: “Spoke to my two good friends, Prime Minister Modi and Prime Minister Khan … most importantly, for India and Pakistan to work towards reducing tensions in Kashmir”.

Although President Trump said that he had also discussed “trade and strategic partnerships” with the two South Asian leaders, the tweet made it clear that it was the situation in Kashmir that persuaded him to reach out to his friends in India and Pakistan.

“A tough situation but good conversations” is how he described his conversation with the two prime ministers.

“Now, if this does not sound like mediation, what does?” asked Indian scholar Manoj Joshi in an article published in India Today on Tuesday.

“You can be sure that given the rhetoric from New Delhi and Islamabad, there must be more happening in the deep recesses of the State Department and the Pentagon,” Mr Joshi added.

The State Department official, who briefed journalists in Washington on Tuesday, said President Trump’s interest in both India and Pakistan was not new. It reflected in “his South Asia strategy, and in the Af-Pak policy, which also outlined India’s role” in maintaining peace in the region.

Mr Trump’s latest call to Mr Khan was his third conversation on Kashmir since Aug 5, when India revoked a constitutional provision that gave some autonomy to the occupied Jammu and Kashmir state. India also imposed a curfew in the occupied region, which continued during the Eidul Azha holidays as well and has not been lifted yet.

Published in Dawn, August 21st, 2019
https://www.dawn.com/news/1500718/trump-to-discuss-kashmir-mediation-with-modi

 

[Kabira]

On Monday, Prime Minister Modi called Mr Trump and spoke for 30 minutes, complaining about his Pakistani counterpart’s allegedly “incendiary rhetoric”, which he said was destabilising the region.

Looks like Imran khan RSS/Nazi tweets isn't being handled well by Modi. In that case he should continue to tweet more and more.

 

[HAIDER]

Looks like Imran khan RSS/Nazi tweets isn't being handled well by Modi. In that case he should continue to tweet more and more.

Yes, directly hit hm so bad ... now Western media badly bashing this chai wala and quoting IK tweet.

 

[Kabira]

Yes, directly hit hm so bad ... now Western media badly bashing this chai wala and quoting IK tweet.

They are finally waking to the fact about RSS love affair with Hitler and Nazism in general. Now more bad news from Kashmir itself will be icing on the cake.

 

[R Wing]

Big mistake. If recent hostilities or what India has done in Kashmir were the issues - then either all three service chiefs should have received extensions, or Bajwa should have received a 6m extension.

There is no justification for this

WASHINGTON: US President Donald said on Tuesday that he would do his best to mediate in the “explosive and complicated” Kashmir dispute between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan.

Talking to reporters at the White House, President Trump said he would discuss this possibility over the weekend with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The two leaders are slated to meet at the G7 summit in Biarritz, France, this weekend.

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn’t say they get along so great,” President Trump said. “I will do the best I can to mediate.”

The US leader first offered to mediate between India and Pakistan over Kashmir at a White House news conference with Prime Minister Imran Khan on July 22. Mr Khan immediately accepted the offer, saying that over a billion people would pray for the US leader if he helped resolve the issue.

India, however, declined the offer, saying that it wanted no external assistance for talks with Pakistan on Kashmir or any other issue.

“I really get along with both (Mr Modi and Mr Khan) of them. As you know, Prime Minister Khan was here just recently. I will be with PM Modi … over the weekend in France,” Mr Trump said at his Oval Office press talk.

Indian scholar suggests US leader already playing the role of a mediator

“I think, we are helping (resolve the tense) situation” between India and Pakistan, he added.

Mr Trump said there’s a “tremendous problem” between the two countries. “It’s a complicated situation. A lot has to do with religion. Religion is a complicated subject.”

The US president said the Subcontinent was having “these talks for hundreds of years, even under different names”.

In a tweet released late on Monday, Mr Trump said he had reached out to his “good friends” — the Indian and Pakistani prime ministers — to help reduce tensions in Kashmir.

Read: Trump stresses need to reduce India-Pakistan tension in phone calls to PM Imran, Modi

Although the president’s move fits the classical definition of mediation between two parties who are refusing to talk to each other, a senior official of the US Department said it’s not.

“The president is not mediating but has offered to do so if asked by both parties,” the official said. India refuses to accept any external help in resolving its disputes with Pakistan and is particularly sensitive about Jammu and Kashmir which, it insists, is an internal issue.

President Trump’s mediation — even though the State Department doesn’t describe it as such — began last Friday when Prime Minister Khan called the US leader and spoke to him for 12 minutes about the situation in Occupied Kashmir.

On Monday, Prime Minister Modi called Mr Trump and spoke for 30 minutes, complaining about his Pakistani counterpart’s allegedly “incendiary rhetoric”, which he said was destabilising the region.

Soon after listening to his “good friend” in India, the US president called his other “good friend, in Pakistan, and told him that there was a need for him to tone down his rhetoric and reduce tensions”.

In his conversation, according to a White House readout, Mr Trump “reaffirmed the need to avoid escalation of the situation and urged restraint” on both sides.

Then the president went to Twitter to announce that he: “Spoke to my two good friends, Prime Minister Modi and Prime Minister Khan … most importantly, for India and Pakistan to work towards reducing tensions in Kashmir”.

Although President Trump said that he had also discussed “trade and strategic partnerships” with the two South Asian leaders, the tweet made it clear that it was the situation in Kashmir that persuaded him to reach out to his friends in India and Pakistan.

“A tough situation but good conversations” is how he described his conversation with the two prime ministers.

“Now, if this does not sound like mediation, what does?” asked Indian scholar Manoj Joshi in an article published in India Today on Tuesday.

“You can be sure that given the rhetoric from New Delhi and Islamabad, there must be more happening in the deep recesses of the State Department and the Pentagon,” Mr Joshi added.

The State Department official, who briefed journalists in Washington on Tuesday, said President Trump’s interest in both India and Pakistan was not new. It reflected in “his South Asia strategy, and in the Af-Pak policy, which also outlined India’s role” in maintaining peace in the region.

Mr Trump’s latest call to Mr Khan was his third conversation on Kashmir since Aug 5, when India revoked a constitutional provision that gave some autonomy to the occupied Jammu and Kashmir state. India also imposed a curfew in the occupied region, which continued during the Eidul Azha holidays as well and has not been lifted yet.

Published in Dawn, August 21st, 2019
https://www.dawn.com/news/1500718/trump-to-discuss-kashmir-mediation-with-modi

Looks like Imran khan RSS/Nazi tweets isn't being handled well by Modi. In that case he should continue to tweet more and more.

Yay, let's celebrate tweets. Let's see what the real achievement of these so-called narrative victories:

1.) Will NATO countries stop selling high-end military hardware to India? No.

2.) Will NATO countries stop investing/looking at India as a growing economic powerhouse? No.

3.) Will NATO countries stop building up India as a counterweight to growing Chinese influence in the region and Indian Ocean? No.

4.) Will NATO countries force India to conduct a plebiscite under the UN? No.

5.) Will NATO countries force the UN to send peacekeepers to IOK? No.

6.) Will anything on the ground change for the BJP? No. They will continue to win.

So, while we celebrate these victories --- they don't do ANYTHING for our strategic interests (i.e. water security, bogging down the IA in IOK, etc.) nor for the Kashmiris (Trump will NEVER ask India to give up IOK nor would India listen.) So, in the end, this is the same "pat ourselves on the back" BS that countries do when they are unable to do what is actually necessary --- which is to stop accepting "new normals" posed by the West and India and cleverly/creatively fuel the armed resistance in IOK to a level that raises the cost significantly for them.

Some criticism in Western media does not change much on the ground. We can feel good about ourselves for about 5 mins before we realize all ground realities are the same.

Trump will likely have a dangerous plan that DOES NOT suit our strategic interests --- i.e. convert the LOC into an IB and each country keep their part of Kashmir. What the hell was the freedom struggle for so many decades about then? Our Army/external intel/spec ops should rebrand themselves as PSYOPS units only. Sad days.

(PS: I say this as someone who, at various times and levels, has been involved with many aspects of the above.)

 

[Kabira]

Yay, let's celebrate tweets. Let's see what the real achievement of these so-called narrative victories:

1.) Will NATO countries stop selling high-end military hardware to India? No.

2.) Will NATO countries stop investing/looking at India as a growing economic powerhouse? No.

3.) Will NATO countries stop building up India as a counterweight to growing Chinese influence in the region and Indian Ocean? No.

4.) Will NATO countries force India to conduct a plebiscite under the UN? No.

5.) Will NATO countries force the UN to send peacekeepers to IOK? No.

6.) Will anything on the ground change for the BJP? No. They will continue to win.

So, while we celebrate these victories --- they don't do ANYTHING for our strategic interests (i.e. water security, bogging down the IA in IOK, etc.) nor for the Kashmiris (Trump will NEVER ask India to give up IOK nor would India listen.) So, in the end, this is the same "pat ourselves on the back" BS that countries do when they are unable to do what is actually necessary --- which is to stop accepting "new normals" posed by the West and India and cleverly/creatively fuel the armed resistance in IOK to a level that raises the cost significantly for them.

Some criticism in Western media does not change much on the ground. We can feel good about ourselves for about 5 mins before we realize all ground realities are the same.

Trump will likely have a dangerous plan that DOES NOT suit our strategic interests --- i.e. convert the LOC into an IB and each country keep their part of Kashmir. What the hell was the freedom struggle for so many decades about then? Our Army/external intel/spec ops should rebrand themselves as PSYOPS units only. Sad days.

(PS: I say this as someone who, at various times and levels, has been involved with many aspects of the above.)

Ground realities are not same. For one large number of Kashmiris who were Indian stooges before have changed their stance. Now they know India is going full ahead with ethnic cleansing.

At the end insurgency in Kashmir on Afghanistan/syria scale along with Pakistan pressure on world is what will bring solution to Kashmir issue.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Donald Trump offers to mediate ‘explosive’ Kashmir stand-off

• US president says he will raise issue with India’s Modi during G7 summit in France
• Pakistan says three of its civilians died in gunfire at de facto border, while India says one soldier was killed and four wounded

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn’t say they get along so great,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

“I will do the best I can to mediate,” he added.

Calls for Modi to step in as India erupts in fury over Trump’s Kashmir claims

At least 4,000 people have been detained in Indian-controlled Kashmir since early August when authorities imposed a communications blackout and restricted freedom of movement in the region.

A senior US official, who has just returned from a visit to the region, called on India on Tuesday to quickly release detainees and restore basic liberties.

“We continue to be very concerned by reports of detentions, and continued restrictions on the residents of the region,” the State Department official told reporters.

“We urge respect for individual rights, compliance with legal procedures and an inclusive dialogue,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

US President Donald Trump and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the Rose Garden of the White House in June 2017, Photo: Jabin Botsford via Washington Post

Both India and Pakistan have controlled portions of the former princely state of Kashmir since independence in 1947. The dispute over the Muslim-majority region has been the spark for two major wars and countless clashes between them.

Earlier this year they again came close to all-out conflict, after a militant attack in Indian-held Kashmir in February was claimed by a group based in Pakistan, touching off tit-for-tat air strikes.

India has bristled at any suggestion of foreign mediation and strenuously denied a claim by Trump last month that Modi had invited him to act as a peace broker.

It was also left seething when the UN Security Council held its first formal meeting on Kashmir in nearly half a century last week, saying it would not accept “international busybodies … tell(ing) us how to run our lives”.

India slams ‘international busybodies’ for interfering over Kashmir
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told Modi in a phone call on Tuesday that the Kashmir dispute must be resolved between India and Pakistan alone.

Johnson “made clear that the UK views the issue of Kashmir as one for India and Pakistan to resolve bilaterally. He underlined the importance of resolving issues through dialogue”, a spokeswoman for his Downing Street office said.

But in a further sign of the international concern about the situation, officials in France said that President Emmanuel Macron would bring up Kashmir with Modi when the two meet in Paris ahead of the G7 summit.

In justifying the scrapping of Kashmir’s autonomy, Modi said last week that “fresh thinking” was needed after decades of bloodshed in Kashmir. But his decision provoked a widespread backlash and there have been several rallies in the regional capital Srinagar attracting thousands of demonstrators.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...-trump-offers-mediate-explosive-kashmir-stand

Modi was brought to divide India. Infact RSS has always been instrumental at the dividing India.