Trump already knee deep in Kashmir mediation

[Yaseen1]

We should prepare for war.Last time when he said about mediation india revoked 370 ,this time I think india will carryout false flag attack on its army like pulwama and attack azad kashmir

 

[M. Sarmad]

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn’t say they get along so great,”

That's exactly what Jinnah believed in ... That's exactly what Two Nation Theory is all about...

Good that the west (discarding the Indian propaganda and rhetoric) is finally realizing that Kashmir is about "Hindu vs Muslim"

 

[PaulSimon]

That's exactly what Jinnah believed in ... That's exactly what Two Nation Theory is all about...

Good that the west (discarding the Indian propaganda and rhetoric) is finally realizing that Kashmir is about "Hindu vs Muslim"

That's exactly what right wing Hindus believe too.

Right wing Hindus and Right wing Muslims are two sides of the same coin created by the British.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

That's exactly what Jinnah believed in ... That's exactly what Two Nation Theory is all about...

Good that the west (discarding the Indian propaganda and rhetoric) is finally realizing that Kashmir is about "Hindu vs Muslim"

It is in its primordial form, however the whole truth is more sophisticated and the narrative should now be enhanced to reflect that. It is about an Islamic republic where all can live relatively safely and in peace, where the few fringe nutcases can be controlled, vs a Hindutva state where Hindus with a historical inferiority complex have voted a fascist extremist government into power, knowing full well what they are capable of and where Muslims will be perpetually persecuted by the state.

In Pakistan, civil society recoils in horror when minorities are attacked. In India, the vast majority of Hindu citizens encourage Modi's war crimes and genocide. They absolve him of guilt for any crime against Muslims and the few sane voices are drowned out by the relentless fascist march.

That's exactly what right wing Hindus believe too.

Right wing Hindus and Right wing Muslims are two sides of the same coin created by the British.

They really aren't though. Hindu fascists are in complete control in India. Muslim fascists are a fringe in Pakistan who will never attain popular support.

 

[PaulSimon]

It is in its primordial form, however the whole truth is more sophisticated and the narrative should now be enhanced to reflect that. It is about an Islamic republic where all can live relatively safely and in peace, where the few fringe nutcases can be controlled, vs a Hindutva state where Hindus with a historical inferiority complex have voted a fascist extremist government into power, knowing full well what they are capable of and where Muslims will be perpetually persecuted by the state.

In Pakistan, civil society recoils in horror when minorities are attacked. In India, the vast majority of Hindu citizens encourage Modi's war crimes and genocide. They absolve him of guilt for any crime against Muslims and the few sane voices are drowned out by the relentless fascist march.



They really aren't though. Hindu fascists are in complete control in India. Muslim fascists are a fringe in Pakistan who will never attain popular support.

If you set aside the rhetoric like Islamo facists and Hindu fanatics for a minute, you would realize that what matters is who is do the bidding of the West.

In Pakistan, it has always been the Military while in India it has always ways been the right wing Hindus.

Modis and Zia ul haqs of the world are just useful tools and are dispensable for the West.

Nationalists like Bhuttos of Pakistan and Gandhi's of India have lost the battles in their countries.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Yaseen no one is saying we shouldn’t be ready for the war. War is coming no doubt. However we will have to fight the war at the diplomatic and political level as well. On the diplomatic front perception and image matters and Trumpnis providing us with good optics . It is upto us now how we take advantage of this.

 

[PaulSimon]

We should prepare for war.Last time when he said about mediation india revoked 370 ,this time I think india will carryout false flag attack on its army like pulwama and attack azad kashmir

Do you really think India have the capability and capacity to attack?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

You fools. Do you know who you're up against?? Trump is just a pawn. A neo nazi zionist pawn at that. Pakistan and that fool IK is against American zionist, WASP deep state. Add to the equation Netanyahoo in Israel and Modi in India. All three are zionists who believe in religious extremism and their own particular versions of religious eschatology. IK begging for peace and mediation is like asking a big fat cat to guard the milk jug.

You can't beg for peace.
US media also cried about Palestine for decades and the Jerusalem embassy move. Then US and Israel conveniently ignored UN resolutions and all the other BS UN has to offer and now they are procedding with plans indicated in Jared Kushner's The Deal of The Century.

Fawad Chaudhary very rightly quoted Churchill.
I don't know what PakMil is thinking but I sure as hell hope they won't fall for American carrot and stick AGAIN.

No matter what Indians are harping in their media , Trump seem to be loving the attention IK is showering on him by making him feel as if he is the only person in the world who can solve Kashmir issue.

IK ‘s personal appeals are stroking his ego and making him say things that are disaster to India’s narrative.

Please keep following events in mind that have lately transpired and give you a hint of American involvement. These are unprecedented in American policy towards Kashmir:


In his Washington meeting with IK, Trump repeatedly and openly showed his desire to be a mediator.

Americans did not veto or oppose holding UN meeting.

American media is overwhelmingly against Indian move.

First time in my memory Trump attended phone call from the Pakistani side and then later called himself both sides. ( remind me when was the last time American president called Pakistani PM).


Trump continues to show his eagerness to mediate. This is the latest statement from him today:


“On Tuesday, Trump reiterated the offer to mediate the “explosive” situation in Kashmir.

Trump said he would raise the matter over the weekend with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn't say they get along so great,” Trump told reporters.

“I will do the best I can to mediate,” he said.”

 

[Adonis]

No matter what Indians are harping in their media , Trump seem to be loving the attention IK is showering on him by making him feel as if he is the only person in the world who can solve Kashmir issue.

IK ‘s personal appeals are stroking his ego and making him say things that are disaster to India’s narrative.

Please keep following events in mind that have lately transpired and give you a hint of American involvement. These are unprecedented in American policy towards Kashmir:


In his Washington meeting with IK, Trump repeatedly and openly showed his desire to be a mediator.

Americans did not veto or oppose holding UN meeting.

American media is overwhelmingly against Indian move.

First time in my memory Trump attended phone call from the Pakistani side and then later called himself both sides. ( remind me when was the last time American president called Pakistani PM).


Trump continues to show his eagerness to mediate. This is the latest statement from him today:


“On Tuesday, Trump reiterated the offer to mediate the “explosive” situation in Kashmir.

Trump said he would raise the matter over the weekend with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

“Kashmir is a very complicated place. You have Hindus and you have the Muslims and I wouldn't say they get along so great,” Trump told reporters.

“I will do the best I can to mediate,” he said.”

I can see the desperation of Pakistan Govt and establishment. My view, Trump and US is just doing a lip service to Pakistan...to ensure Pakistan's commitment towards letting US smoothly pull-out from Af... once that's done....Pakistan will be dumped like a tissue paper by US (the rest of the world/lest iron brother, has already done so..evident from past 15 days).

On Kashmir....I don't think US can force India to do something (nor does it want to do so)...on Media - they can be hired to publish whatever the payee wants them to do.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I don't think ANYONE in Pakistan understands Trump's "my bestfriend is black" baby boomer mindset

 

[Yaseen1]

Do you really think India have the capability and capacity to attack?

Underestimating enemy is a dangerous attitude.I think if they are keeping army and occupying iok for 72yrs and we are unable to get it back in this time period it means that it is not too easy for us to fight a war with them and we will surely win but have to give great sacrifices for this war

 

[PaulSimon]

Underestimating enemy is a dangerous attitude.I think if they are keeping army and occupying iok for 72yrs and we are unable to get it back in this time period it means that it is not too easy for us to fight a war with them and we will surely win but have to give great sacrifices for this war

Neither India nor Pakistan can go on the offensive and win a war. The sooner people realize this the better.

 

[Flight of falcon]

You fools. Do you know who you're up against?? Trump is just a pawn. A neo nazi zionist pawn at that. Pakistan and that fool IK is against American zionist, WASP deep state. Add to the equation Netanyahoo in Israel and Modi in India. All three are zionists who believe in religious extremism and their own particular versions of religious eschatology. IK begging for peace and mediation is like asking a big fat cat to guard the milk jug.

You can't beg for peace.
US media also cried about Palestine for decades and the Jerusalem embassy move. Then US and Israel conveniently ignored UN resolutions and all the other BS UN has to offer and now they are procedding with plans indicated in Jared Kushner's The Deal of The Century.

Fawad Chaudhary very rightly quoted Churchill.
I don't know what PakMil is thinking but I sure as hell hope they won't fall for American carrot and stick AGAIN.

Wait a minute. I am by no means saying that we should be so gullible to fall for American charm. Americans will never ever have anything good in their heart for Pakistan.
They think about their interest first. All I am saying is to take advantage of the situation and get maximum out of Afghan peace by getting Americans to if not support them at least not take Indian Side completely .
Any hint of Americans saying remotely positive thing about our policy is a political and diplomatic disaster for Modi .

 

[airmarshal]

Its a first after a very long time an American president talking about Kashmir when he talks about India and Pakistan. This is a good thing. As India is an occupying power, it will not like being talked about occupied Kasmir.

India has no intention to resolve Kashmir as per original settlement with Kashmiris. It wants to annex the territory. For all the last decade and a half, it has tried to keep Pakistan busy with terror sponsored from across Afghanistan and getting it mired in terror narrative it has spread around the globe against Pakistan. Pakistan had its own fault in not getting after India in kind.

Now with one stupid move, India has internationalized Kashmir it always wanted to avoid. I hope Pakistan will keep on the pressure and aggression regarding Kashmir. Now it should not settle for anything less than 1) getting back UNGOMIP office return to occupied territory & 2) to keep pursuing aggressively resolution of Kashmir according to UN resolutions.

Offers of talks from India will come. Now Pakistan should put conditions for talk. India is not a country to appease. It needs a bamboo pushed up where sun does not shine.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We need capable people.
In foreign ministry, defence and various other areas.

All I am saying is to take advantage of the situation and get maximum out of Afghan peace by getting Americans to if not support them at least not take Indian Side completely .