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Pakistan president blasts Afghan leader

Musharraf upset over release of intelligence information to media

RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf ripped the president of neighboring Afghanistan on Sunday, telling CNN that Hamid Karzai is "totally oblivious of what is happening in his own country."

Tension between the two leaders, both key U.S. allies in the effort to crush al Qaeda, has developed "in the last one or two months," Musharraf told CNN's "Late Edition."

Musharraf was furious over an Associated Press report that Karzai had given Pakistan intelligence suggesting that former Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and his associates are hiding in Pakistan.

The report also said Afghanistan gave Pakistan information about locations of alleged terrorist training camps along the border between the two nations.

"I am really surprised and shocked why they have disclosed this to the media," Musharraf told CNN.

"We've already gone through it, this list. Two-thirds of it is months old, and it is outdated, and there is nothing," he said. "What there was, the telephone numbers that they are talking of, two-thirds of them are dead numbers, and even the CIA knows about it, because we are sharing all this information with them.

"The location that they are talking of Mullah Omar is nonsense. There's nobody there."

He also accused Karzai of "waiting for a presidential visit to hand me over this list" -- an apparent reference to President Bush's visit to both nations this past week.

"Is that the way intelligence functions? I am totally disappointed with their intelligence, and I feel there is a very, very deliberate attempt to malign Pakistan by some agents, and President Karzai is totally oblivious of what is happening in his own country."

Musharraf accused Karzai personally of releasing the information publicly, saying he "has raised this accusation against Pakistan."

He added, "There is no need of releasing such sensitive information to the press. And he did that. His government people did that, and [that is the reason for] the response, the harsh response that I am now giving against that."

And Musharraf complained of a "conspiracy going on against Pakistan in [Karzai's] ministry of defense and his intelligence setup" and said he had passed on information about it to Karzai.

"He better set that right," Musharraf said.

Former members of the Taliban, which sheltered al Qaeda, and wanted al Qaeda members -- including the leader of the terrorist network, Osama bin Laden -- are believed to be near the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Both Pakistan and Afghanistan have said they are committed to tracking down the wanted individuals and assisting the United States in what the Bush administration has called the war on terrorism.

Karzai was elected in October 2004 after the U.S.-led war on Afghanistan ousted the Taliban following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

Musharraf told CNN he helped in Afghanistan's election process, and "if it was not for Pakistan, maybe [Karzai] and his election would not have taken place smoothly."

Musharraf, an army general who assumed power during a bloodless coup in 1999, gave a staunch defense of democratic reforms during Bush's visit Saturday, saying "sustainable democracy" has been introduced. (Full story)

Bush said part of his visit's purpose was to determine whether Musharraf "is as committed as he has been in the past to bringing these terrorists to justice -- and he is."

Bush said Pakistan won't receive U.S. help for its civilian nuclear power program as India did, saying that he had explained to Musharraf "that Pakistan and India are different countries with different needs and different histories."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/03/05/musharraf/
 
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Pakistan's Musharraf Says Relations With Afghanistan Are Tense

March 6 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf said relations with neighboring Afghanistan are tense because of Afghan charges that fugitives from the ousted Taliban and al- Qaeda fighters are operating from Pakistan.

``There is a very, very deliberate attempt to malign Pakistan'' by some Afghan intelligence service officials, Musharraf said in an interview yesterday with Cable News Network. ``I am totally disappointed with their intelligence.''

Musharraf's comments came as Pakistan's army said it killed more than 50 people during fighting at the weekend in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan. Non-Pakistani fighters crossing from Afghanistan were among those killed, the Associated Press reported, citing Major General Shaukat Sultan, an army spokesman, as saying yesterday.

Pakistan has 80,000 soldiers in the tribal region fighting Taliban fugitives and suspected al-Qaeda members, in an operation that began in 2003, Musharraf said last week. President George W. Bush said during his first visit to Pakistan last week the U.S. and Pakistan are in a ``a common alliance'' in eliminating terrorist threats in the region.

Relations with Afghanistan have become tense ``in the last one or two months,'' Musharraf told CNN's ``Late Edition'' program yesterday, according to a transcript.

``There is a problem on the border area, there is a problem on the Pakistan side, there is a problem in Afghanistan also,'' Musharraf said. Members of the Afghan government are trying to throw ``the entire blame on Pakistan as if nothing is happening in Afghanistan.''

Old Information

Intelligence reports given by Afghan President Hamid Karzai about the locations of Taliban leaders, including Mullah Mohammad Omar, contained ``very, very old information'' and two-thirds of the phone numbers were outdated, Musharraf said. Karzai provided the information when he visited Pakistan last month.

``What was stopping them from giving this list or sharing these numbers immediately on occurrence?'' Musharraf said. Karzai ``should coordinate with our intelligence. Don't wait for months for a presidential visit to hand over these things.''

Musharraf said he was ``shocked'' that the media was told about the intelligence reports shortly before Bush's visit.

The Pakistani leader rejected reports that Mullah Omar was in the city of Quetta in northwestern Pakistan. ``This is absolute nonsense,'' he said.

Musharraf said his relationship with Karzai had been ``excellent'' before the recent tensions because Karzai ``knows how he got elected, he knows how much we helped in the election process'' in October 2004.

Fighting Terrorism

``If it was not for Pakistan, maybe he and his election would not have taken place smoothly,'' said Musharraf. ``He knows that, because he's told me personally this.''

Musharraf's government has supported the U.S.-led war on terrorism, arresting more than 600 suspected terrorists since 2001. Suspected al-Qaeda leaders Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Mohamed Abdullah Binalshibh, both accused of helping plan the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington, are among terrorists captured in Pakistan.

Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is said to be hiding somewhere in the Pakistani border region with Afghanistan. Pakistan, which provided assistance in toppling the Taliban, was once one of only three sovereign governments to recognize the Taliban regime that sheltered bin Laden.

The fighting at the weekend occurred in the North Waziristan region, AP reported, citing Sultan. Fighters retreated yesterday from government buildings they occupied a day earlier in the town of Miran Shah, Sultan said.

The number of non-Pakistani fighters has yet to be ascertained, Sultan said, according to AP.

Pakistan in January protested to the U.S. after an air strike killed at least 17 civilians in the Bajur tribal district. The Jan. 13 raid was said to have targeted Ayman al-Zawahiri, the number two leader of al-Qaeda, who escaped the attack.
 
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Whats going on? Pakistan VS Afghanistan crises! I thought our collaboration with them was perfect!!??
 
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Nopes. Never even close to perfect. How can you expect warlord goons to run a government when all they previously knew was how to kill, kill and kill? Karzai is just a puppet, he doesn't do anything because his influence and control does not even extend beyond Kabul.

And the easy 'scape-goat' for all of Afghanistans problems becomes Pakistan just like India does it. They cannot control what is going on in their own country so blame it on others. They talk about training camps on our side of the border and infiltratots coming in; let me ask them, how many camps have they shutdown on their side of the border? How many troops do they have along our common border? Incompetent idiots!
 
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See its simple. The Afghan accuse Pakistan of hoarding Anti Afghan elements like Taliban. WHich is true. And the Pak accuse Afghanistan of not being capable in their territory. Which is also true.

Both are right. And both should work together to fix them. However they are fighting. :-/
 
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If Pakistan is hoarding Taliban or Al-Qaida, why are there so many operations going on in Waziristan? Why are there so many raids being conducted?

Afghanistan wants a full attack, and a final raid against these guys in waziristan whereas we can't afford one. It might risk us a total instability in the whole country (Mullah protests) little operations can do this job, as long as they are effective.
 
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Originally posted by WebMaster@Mar 6 2006, 09:16 AM
If Pakistan is hoarding Taliban or Al-Qaida, why are there so many operations going on in Waziristan? Why are there so many raids being conducted?

Afghanistan wants a full attack, and a final raid against these guys in waziristan whereas we can't afford one. It might risk us a total instability in the whole country (Mullah protests) little operations can do this job, as long as they are effective.
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why is mushraff so defensive?why does he make so much of kneejerk comments.

There is AQ in the western region of Pakistan,this is evident from the scale of operations underatken by PA,and also the regular prize catch or kill of AQ leader even after 'breaking the backbone of AQ in pakistan'.
 
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Mind you, please differentiate between Taliban and Al-Qaeda elements. Al-Qaeda elements are those who were mostly foreigners and have been hunted to extinction but pro-Taliban include the Pakhtoons of the border areas Afghanis and Pakistanis that co-mingle with the civilian population so easily it is difficult to locate and target them precisely.
 
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Originally posted by Sid@Mar 6 2006, 10:43 AM
Mind you, please differentiate between Taliban and Al-Qaeda elements. Al-Qaeda elements are those who were mostly foreigners and have been hunted to extinction but pro-Taliban include the Pakhtoons of the border areas Afghanis and Pakistanis that co-mingle with the civilian population so easily it is difficult to locate and target them precisely.
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hunted to extinction,??but u will still hear news about scores of foreign terrorist killed during military strikes in months/years to come from the GoP.Pakistan is suppose to have broken the back of AQ months back,but still army is luanching offensive to move into 'inaccessible areas'.

Mingling with local population???Thats a startling but not unkown.this points to the fact that nothing has been done to rehabiltate these people after so many years.
 
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All of this as well as the comments of mushy and karzai are because of Bush's visit to indo-pak. There was no need to give any kind of comments, but karzai did, just to gain some mere attention from bush, mushy and media so that the bush can finalise the nuclear deal with india.

This is all politics guys!!!!!

Why america is helping india?
Why india not pakistan or any other nation such as Iran, why?

There is only one simple answer "TO COPE CHINA"
Think about it, go through different views and articles, it will be all clear.
Plz read todays(06/03/2006) Jang news on jang website as well. Some times they do present authentic articles.
 
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Agreed tackling China and reducing the influence of China in this region.

then US shud do more to keep the WoT ally with her,rather than make her drift more to China.sint it?
 
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Yup, that is the case. If U.S becomes more of a reliable country than i dont see a problem from Pakistan. If the economy booms (through U.S aid or support) people of Pakistan will be loving it, because who doesn't want to live better? who doesn't want their children to be educated better with the western standards (this probably has been done in india but pakistan has left, not much is up against it and measures should be taken to deal with this issue, just read a news in social forum that U.S is spending about 67 million on educate Pakistanis)

Believe it or not a prosperous, strong, unreliable to countries like China Pakistan would be much in interest of U.S whereas getting samething to be done with India would be a hard thing.

Ok now i know we are getting off topic.

Lets stick with trouble in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
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pakistan is blaming afghanistan for allowing miscreants/terrorists/freedom fighters to enter western pakistani areas,they complain that afghans are not manning their borders properly.

Does the afghan soldiers give covering fire while the these people corssover....does it ring a bell!!!
 
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I would like to add one more thing

America has fulfilled its purpose from pakistan for now, (i mean Afghanistan before that it was Russia in Afghanistan). They provided pakistan with plenty of aid in that time.

But pakistan cant be sidesighted because of its central location is far more important to america. Pakistan is centrally located in between, India, China, Kashmir, Afghanistan and Iran as well as the arabian sea altogether that keeps lots of importance to US. So there is no way america can leave pakistan or make pakistan unhappy. To keep pakistan happy US is keep on providing pakistan some Aid and rotton gifts(such as old and used F-16's and old gener military stuff), which pakistan is more than happy to accept.
Why not, some thing is better than nothing!!!
 
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Originally posted by Prashant@Mar 6 2006, 03:30 AM
hunted to extinction,??but u will still hear news about scores of  foreign terrorist killed during military strikes  in months/years to come from the GoP.Pakistan is suppose to have broken the back of AQ months back,but still army is luanching offensive to move into 'inaccessible areas'.

Mingling with local population???Thats a startling but not unkown.this points to the fact that nothing has been done to rehabiltate these people after so many years.
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I'm afraid either you do not read news properly or rely too heavily on sources like The Hindu and other newspaper in your country which only sell because of their Pakistan-bashing.

Army is still launching attacks to completely rid the area of foreign elements which have creeped back in to Pakistani territory due to the negligence of Afghanistan's border security forces (I wonder IF there is one). The secondary targets in the past were local sympathisers of Taleban and some local militants which have also become TOP priority now.

There's nothing startling about mingling with the population. The 'seven' tribal zones are governed by special laws to accomodate severely conservative tribal culture and way of life which were introduced by the BRITISH when they controlled the subcontinent. Those laws had been allowed to continue as the locals did not make any trouble for the central government before. It all went wrong after Pakistan played its part in the American grand strategy of driving the Russians out of Afghanistan with 'jihad' as the main tool. Those 'jihadis' have now become a problem because they developed a habit of defying the state to further their selfish cause(s).

Read this article to further understand a few things and open up your mind:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4779476.stm

As for US' sudden interest in India is concerned, we must remember that 'in politics, there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests'.
 
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