Transit Granted, Sovereignty Lost

[EasyNow]

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Pay some respect, boy. He served the nation long before you were even alive.

What evidence is there of that? I've heard too many tall tales to take people like him seriously. If you knew my me, you might think twice about calling me son too, but this is the internet and a lot of people claim a lot of things.

Evidenced, however, are his hateful views and general disrespect for our independence movement. He has a grudge against certain parties, no problem, but the man is asking for a JEI violent uprising in BD whilst sitting in Canada. If he is a true servant of the nation, he should never wish for the unnecessary spilling of blood in his land.

 

[Ragnar]

Bangladesh should understand it is India's colony. You will not get any say in matters of sovereignty.

Freedom does not descend upon a people; it is a blessing which has to be earned to be enjoyed.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@Loki what would India do if one of its civilians or cargo gets into trouble in BD? Btw the corridor has been granted for free as per all the reports that r coming. WHat abt the complete take over of electricity sector by India ? S.Asia is no EU and EU doesn't have any India.

India is like Russia as to EU

Details about those are at best sketchy at the moment. I suspect that the security forces of Bangladesh are to be heavily upgraded further to meet regional security requirements.

This needs to work for the strategy in Bangladesh to sustain. The current regime has low support from the public, and they know it. Gaining support from Bangladeshis will take time.

Giving Bangladeshis access to cheap energy is just the tip of the iceberg.

India wouldn't allow anything that would endanger the ruling party. No ifs or buts. They have worked almost too hard to come this far.

Recently, the US is highly satisfied with Bangladesh's anti-terror drives.
US lauds anti-terror efforts of Bangladesh | The Daily Star

So that gives us an idea of what's actually going on, and a hint to the future. This is something that our eastern neighbor still does not quite understand.

What evidence is there of that? I've heard too many tall tales to take people like him seriously. If you knew my me, you might think twice about calling me son too, but this is the internet and a lot of people claim a lot of things.

Evidenced, however, are his hateful views and general disrespect for our independence movement. He has a grudge against certain parties, no problem, but the man is asking for a JEI violent uprising in BD whilst sitting in Canada. If he is a true servant of the nation, he should never wish for the unnecessary spilling of blood in his land.

My apologies.

I have known him here for sometime. If you read his posts before, his knowledge of military history is quite vast, though he is often biased. It's either he has read a lot of books, or he has indeed served the army. And if memory serves, he served since the Pakistan days and he did fight during the Liberation War. There are freedom fighters within the ranks of the BNP too (i.e. the opposition), and not just the AL.

So considering all the above, that is a long time. Hence his title - That decision was none other than that of the management. They were impressed.

I also have trouble understanding his views. A man of his stature should understand that it takes immense amounts of resources, support and will to take up that kind of uprising. What's more, it's a two front war (i.e. India and Myanmar).

And make no mistake, the middle-easterners do not give a damn about this region, or Asia for that matter. They support whatever economically and socially benefits them as evidenced in their interactions with Pakistan. There's no such thing as the Ummah in their minds. The Ummah they propagate is as good as those Rolex watches we see on the streets of Bangkok.

The only favor I'd ask him is that if he is somehow to go underground with the Islamist forces, I'd urge him to not take gullible young minds. I believe that we Bangladeshis are far more than that despite our limitations as a nation.

 

[EasyNow]

I'm sure he has seen many things, but for a military man he does not take a logical outlook. You have to lose some battles to win the war. Just because he's not having his way right now, its madness to wish civil war on your own country. And talk of going to war with a neighbour over the rohingya issue is immature, not expected from a former pro.

I think in general, people take the ummah idea too far. There probably is a worldwide spread of Muslims who share very similar views - but why is that different from, say, communists spread over the world. Just because you share the same views doesn't mean you're on the same side in real life, you are right to point out the historic value of ummah love in the world.

To think that Muslims over the world should abandon there responsibility to their nation states is ridiculous.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I'm sure he has seen many things, but for a military man he does not take a logical outlook. You have to lose some battles to win the war. Just because he's not having his way right now, its madness to wish civil war on your own country. And talk of going to war with a neighbour over the rohingya issue is immature, not expected from a former pro.

That is true. However, it is quite the other way around. Anti-Bangladeshi sentiment among the public and government in Myanmar is very high. Though it is subtle, it is very much there.

I think the old man is angry about something else which may explain his....outburst.

I've found many of our current military people to be very arrogant and comically hedonistic. They are almost completely disconnected from the people and extremely ignorant of civil life and society. I wonder how they'd fare in a war. Something tells me of a not too good scenario judging from their attitude and morale.

No worries, India will likely lend a helping hand as long as the ruling party is in power. Or at least, a party that favors their interests.

That is what upsets him, and many of the conservatives here.

I think in general, people take the ummah idea too far. There probably is a worldwide spread of Muslims who share very similar views - but why is that different from, say, communists spread over the world. Just because you share the same views doesn't mean you're on the same side in real life, you are right to point out the historic value of ummah love in the world.

To think that Muslims over the world should abandon there responsibility to their nation states is ridiculous.

Well, Communism is merely an ideology. Not a religion.

Prophet Muhammad united the warring Arab tribes into one formidable, sustainable and prosperous empire based on faith. Uniting humanity into one is the spirit of the idea.

What the likes of Iran and Saudi are doing is the complete opposite. It is not the way of the Tawheed.

You are right about the bold part. But is Bangladesh taking that responsibility for itself? For its own people? Letting others doing his/her own work does not speak responsibility. Religion or not, the result speaks for itself.

 

[EasyNow]

That is true. However, it is quite the other way around. Anti-Bangladeshi sentiment among the public and government in Myanmar is very high. Though it is subtle, it is very much there.

I think the old man is angry about something else which may explain his....outburst.

I've found many of our current military people to be very arrogant and comically hedonistic. They are almost completely disconnected from the people and extremely ignorant of civil life and society. I wonder how they'd fare in a war. Something tells me of a not too good scenario judging from their attitude and morale.

No worries, India will likely lend a helping hand as long as the ruling party is in power. Or at least, a party that favors their interests.

That is what upsets him, and many of the conservatives here.

That is exactly why public sentiment cannot drive international diplomacy, I am sure just as many Bangladeshis are upset with Myanmar today but just 10 years ago that country was irrelevant to the average man. The issues will change but our geography will not, so long term cooperation is the key.

Also conservative anger is not always justified, they have their political leanings too which colours their views.

Well, Communism is merely an ideology. Not a religion.

Prophet Muhammad united the warring Arab tribes into one formidable, sustainable and prosperous empire based on faith. Uniting humanity into one is the spirit of the idea.

What the likes of Iran and Saudi are doing is the complete opposite. It is not the way of the Tawheed.

You are right about the bold part. But is Bangladesh taking that responsibility for itself? For its own people? Letting others doing his/her own work does not speak responsibility. Religion or not, the result speaks for itself.

I don't think there's a state in south Asia where the public are happy with their gov't, so rather than opinions let results be the barometer of your gov'ts loyalty to their country. Lets see how much lives on the ground change under this regime. A strong, growing economy is a foundation for this - and cooperation with the largest local economy is a no brainer in this context.

 

[Zabaniyah]

That is exactly why public sentiment cannot drive international diplomacy, I am sure just as many Bangladeshis are upset with Myanmar today but just 10 years ago that country was irrelevant to the average man. The issues will change but our geography will not, so long term cooperation is the key.

Also conservative anger is not always justified, they have their political leanings too which colours their views.

Myanmar is still a distant thought in the minds of Bangladeshis. The public are not interested in going into any conflict with that country. They have many problems of their own.

India and China are more than enough to contain them in case they decide to get cocky.

I don't think there's a state in south Asia where the public are happy with their gov't, so rather than opinions let results be the barometer of your gov'ts loyalty to their country. Lets see how much lives on the ground change under this regime. A strong, growing economy is a foundation for this - and cooperation with the largest local economy is a no brainer in this context.

Well, the Indians are more or less happy with Mr. Modi. He's an effective and a practical man despite his controversial past. Not the type to leave any important issue hanging, and that could benefit us in the long term.

Regardless, maintaining good relations on our part with our neighbors is very important given our geography and demographics - Something that our dear conservatives fail to understand.

And just for the record, the public are not interested in the BNP coming back to power. That party's pockets are currently empty, and they haven't really changed their habits. The public understand what the means.

As for the ruling party, do good work, get more support and be in power. Simple.

 

[Md Akmal]

Regardless, maintaining good relations on our part with our neighbors is very important given our geography and demographics - Something that our dear conservatives fail to understand.

And just for the record, the public are not interested in the BNP coming back to power. That party's pockets are currently empty, and they haven't really changed their habits. The public understand what the means.

As for the ruling party, do good work, get more support and be in power. Simple.

@ Really ! In which "Ketab" did you read ?

@ How, BNP will come to power ? Is there is any democracy in Bangladesh in true sense ?

 

[Zabaniyah]

@ Really ! In which "Ketab" did you read ?

I didn't read or dwell on someone else's story in this forum. I talk to people. Young working class people.

If they see potential benefits for themselves, their families and future, why should they be interested in the BNP? What did they deliver? Recently, the government is raising wages of government employees. And that's just for starters.

@ How, BNP will come to power ? Is there is any democracy in Bangladesh in true sense ?

There is no democracy in Bangladesh. There's only Awami League.

The ruling party's long term success depends on what it delivers. And that's what matters. The BNP are inconsequential. And sometimes, having order is better than living in a chaotic democracy. There are pros and cons.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Myanmar is still a distant thought in the minds of Bangladeshis. The public are not interested in going into any conflict with that country. They have many problems of their own.

India and China are more than enough to contain them in case they decide to get cocky.



Well, the Indians are more or less happy with Mr. Modi. He's an effective and a practical man despite his controversial past. Not the type to leave any important issue hanging, and that could benefit us in the long term.

Regardless, maintaining good relations on our part with our neighbors is very important given our geography and demographics - Something that our dear conservatives fail to understand.

And just for the record, the public are not interested in the BNP coming back to power. That party's pockets are currently empty, and they haven't really changed their habits. The public understand what the means.

As for the ruling party, do good work, get more support and be in power. Simple.

I didn't read or dwell on someone else's story in this forum. I talk to people. Young working class people.

If they see potential benefits for themselves, their families and future, why should they be interested in the BNP? What did they deliver? Recently, the government is raising wages of government employees. And that's just for starters.



There is no democracy in Bangladesh. There's only Awami League.

The ruling party's long term success depends on what it delivers. And that's what matters. The BNP are inconsequential. And sometimes, having order is better than living in a chaotic democracy. There are pros and cons.

I hate to agree, but it's true. We just have to wait and see what the AL as a political party has to offer. Such a shame, Bangladesh will always be a third rate colony playing dirty tactics and insignificant to the world.

 

[Md Akmal]

I didn't read or dwell on someone else's story in this forum. I talk to people. Young working class people.

If they see potential benefits for themselves, their families and future, why should they be interested in the BNP? What did they deliver? Recently, the government is raising wages of government employees. And that's just for starters.



There is no democracy in Bangladesh. There's only Awami League.

. And that's what matters. The BNP are inconsequential. And sometimes, having order is better than living in a chaotic democracy. There are pros and cons.

@ You talked to the young working class people in Bangladesh !!! Good ! Good ! What they can do. They can only give their opinion through their voting rights. But are they ? Awami Leaque has well realized that if free and fear election is held Awami Leaque is gone. So, it reminds me an old Hindi song, " Ham ko vi gam ne mara --- tum ko vi gam ne mara, ye gam ko chor do "

@ You see, world has experienced with various types of Govt for centuries together. What type of govt Awami Leaque is following ? Those types of Dictatorial govt is now over. If you want to survive in this present world definitely you have to for true democracy. Have you not seen on that day how the British Govt 's Ambassador at Dhaka was criticizing the Govt about the City Corporation Election. We have almost lost the confident of Muslim countries. We always feel proud by fingering Pakistan good for nothing without realizing the impact. Write down in your "Ketab" this Pakistan only will come to rescue you in times of real crisis. There is no justification to always under mine the Pakistan. Pakistan is the vanguard of Muslim countries. If the Pakistan shouts at least 40 to 50 Muslim countries will come at once. If we ask for help who will come ? Not a single one ! Not even India ????

@ Present Awami Leaque govt can only be compared with the past govt of Pal Pot and Khemarouse of Combodia. And then finally once it falls there was a whole sale civil war where millions of people died and finally UN had to come to solve the crisis.

@ The ruling party's long term success depends on what it delivers. What Awami Leaque is delivering to the Nation, wide level corruption among the party members, killing the religious people, abducting the route level leaders of opposition party. What you guess about Salauiddin case? Is it not a shame for us. Do you think that Western countries do not under stand these things ?

 

[Zabaniyah]

@ You talked to the young working class people in Bangladesh !!! Good ! Good ! What they can do. They can only give their opinion through their voting rights. But are they ? Awami Leaque has well realized that if free and fear election is held Awami Leaque is gone. So, it reminds me an old Hindi song, " Ham ko vi gam ne mara --- tum ko vi gam ne mara, ye gam ko chor do "

Sure, they would have lost. But now, it's whole different. People just don't want trouble for starters. It is not to say that they agree with the ruling party's methods.

Imagine the BNP in power while BCL goons with Indian money start running amok among other nuances. Consider that a blessing in disguise.

@ You see, world has experienced with various types of Govt for centuries together. What type of govt Awami Leaque is following ? Those types of Dictatorial govt is now over. If you want to survive in this present world definitely you have to for true democracy. Have you not seen on that day how the British Govt 's Ambassador at Dhaka was criticizing the Govt about the City Corporation Election. We have almost lost the confident of Muslim countries. We always feel proud by fingering Pakistan good for nothing without realizing the impact. Write down in your "Ketab" this Pakistan only will come to rescue you in times of real crisis. There is no justification to always under mine the Pakistan. Pakistan is the vanguard of Muslim countries. If the Pakistan shouts at least 40 to 50 Muslim countries will come at once. If we ask for help who will come ? Not a single one ! Not even India ????

There will always be dictatorial type governments. I would rather say that the AL is running a one-party state similar to that of China, but still not quite getting there.

Pakistan is just another country to me. Have you ever seen me demonizing Pakistan? For your information, those middle easterners do not care for either us nor the Pakistanis. They even make fun of them by calling them 'Hindis', and Bollywood has a massive following in the middle east, particularly among Arabs. Do you know who finances the Balochistan Liberation Army? Ask the Pakistanis here to verify by yourself.

That being said, as long as the AL is in power, India will do whatever it takes to keep them in power. Full stop. But even they have limitations in relation to the transit and other 'visions'.

@ Present Awami Leaque govt can only be compared with the past govt of Pal Pot and Khemarouse of Combodia. And then finally once it falls there was a whole sale civil war where millions of people died and finally UN had to come to solve the crisis.

There's no civil war.

@ The ruling party's long term success depends on what it delivers. What Awami Leaque is delivering to the Nation, wide level corruption among the party members, killing the religious people, abducting the route level leaders of opposition party. What you guess about Salauiddin case? Is it not a shame for us. Do you think that Western countries do not under stand these things ?

Western countries would support things that benefit them. They don't find small third world countries interesting.

Let the AL have the opportunity to deliver. Right now, business activities and consumer spending are very low. And youth unemployment is trending toward alarming levels. Let them enjoy their power while it lasts.

No king rules forever.

It would be in the best interests of all Bangladeshis that the matter is solved peacefully. It won't be hard to make India to simply shut up forever. Like I said, they have many limitations of their own.

 

[dray]

Write down in your "Ketab" this Pakistan only will come to rescue you in times of real crisis. There is no justification to always under mine the Pakistan. Pakistan is the vanguard of Muslim countries. If the Pakistan shouts at least 40 to 50 Muslim countries will come at once. If we ask for help who will come ? Not a single one ! Not even India ????

Pakistan is shouting for itself for last 67 years, but those "40-50 Muslim countries" didn't come to help them, and you think they will come if Pakistan shouts for Bangladesh? Be realistic.

Ironically, it is the oil money from certain Muslim ME country that is causing maximum trouble for Pakistan.