Torpedoes of Pak Navy

[Super Falcon]

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Imran bhai chehra kyon chupa diya ha pic ma apne

Any idea what torpedoes these are

 

[Penguin]

Actually you should rather yourself do some research as he is right. Babur SLCM is packed inside the torpedo tubes to be used with Pakistan's existing submarines while later these may be launched from VLS on the next gen subs from China.

It is not yet available/in service.

 

[Fenrir]

would a cruise missile qualify as a torpedo ??

No a cruise missile would not. There are long-ranged submarine launched torpedoes that do exit the water however. These would include the American Subroc and Sea Lance, the later was cancelled due to budgeting issues, but had a range over 65km. Far longer then any conventionally launched torpedo.

The concept is similar to the ship launched Asroc, only submarine launched instead. The business end of the Sea Lance was to be a Mk50 torpedo:

Unlike Sea Lance, Subroc was operationalized, but only carried a nuclear warhead:

They are rocket powered, so they're not categorized as cruise missiles, despite being able to cruise a fair distance from their launch platform.

Russia's got its own version too, and it's pretty damn cool:

Asroc is the surface launched, stand-off version of Subroc and Sea Lance:

The latest versions are VL capable, rather then launched from deck mounted matchbox launchers, such as this K-Asroc:

Also not a cruise missile, but another standoff capable torpedo would be something like a strap on LongShot kit or the HAAWC system:

These are air-launched glide weapons that extend the range of the air dropped quick strike torpedo variants.

 

[Penguin]

Imran bhai chehra kyon chupa diya ha pic ma apne

Any idea what torpedoes these are

These are the tubes for lightweight ASW torpedoes in the Tariq class (former Type 21 Amazons). 400mm Bofors Type-43X2 version. Probably can also fire smaller diameter US and Italian ASW torps

Sublaunched C802

 

[wiseone2]

Is this is classified as Torpedo?

probably not

 

[MastanKhan]

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Khan sahib,

Mukhra tau dikha daitay

 

[Mughal-Prince]

If they even launch from torpedo tubes (which is quite plausible) these missile could not be classified as Torpedo because they comes out of water with booster motor and rest of the path they travelled as a cruise missile.

Nah!! War&Peace is partially right.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

He's also partially wrong. Babur is being developed as a submarine launched cruise missile, VLS or through torpedo tubes, but neither would make it a torpedo.

This looks like a torpedo, yes? It's actually a submarine launched Harpoon Missile in its capsule for torpedo tube launches.

The capsule falls away once the missile breaches the water's surface.

Babur is not a torpedo, just as this encapsulated Harpoon isn't. Torpedoes can leave the water via rocket, as with Subroc or RPK-7, but they conduct their attack underwater.

So War&Peace is right that Babur could be launched via torpedo tubes or a VLS, once that capability is developed, but that doesn't make Babur a torpedo. There is a difference between a torpedo tube launched encapsulated missile and a torpedo.

Mmmmmmmmm Ok I still hold my point as I am a positive thinker and see at a glass half full .

 

[Fenrir]

Mmmmmmmmm Ok I still hold my point as I am a positive thinker and see at a glass half full .

There's a fine line between optimistic and delusional. I leave you to find out where it lies.

Is this is classified as Torpedo?

No. Can it be encapsulated for launched from a submarine's torpedo tubes? Yes.

Is it a subsurface attack weapon? No. It does it's attack from the air, but it can be launched from subsurface platforms.

it is no more a torpedo then a submarine launched Tomahawk, like this one being off loaded by USS Frank Cable:

Torpedoes can be air launched, light weight mostly, heavy weight torpedoes tend to be too, well, heavy:

But they conduct their attack underwater with specially designed fuses enabling them to attack underneath a ship and with sonar guidance, which AShMs and land-attack cruise missiles don't have. The also feature unique capabilities to avoid underwater obstacles, reengage a target they miss, and other capabilities a missile would not have underwater.

Also, unlike missiles who's engines breath air and compress it to generate forward motion, torpedo engines don't. Modern torpedoes use chemicals like Sulfur hexafluoride to generate power to drive a pumpjet, like Spearfish:

Others use batteries:

Missiles can be encapsulated for launching via a submarine's torpedo tubes, but there are vast differences in propulsion, guidance and attack method between a missile and a torpedo.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

There's a fine line between optimistic and delusional. I leave you to find out where it lies.

We live on the edge so we are allowed to cross both sides

 

[monitor]

Actually you should rather yourself do some research as he is right. Babur SLCM is packed inside the torpedo tubes to be used with Pakistan's existing submarines while later these may be launched from VLS on the next gen subs from China.

But thats not qualify SLCM as torpedo either.

 

[Arsalan]

Actually you should rather yourself do some research as he is right. Babur SLCM is packed inside the torpedo tubes to be used with Pakistan's existing submarines while later these may be launched from VLS on the next gen subs from China.

It is not used with the existing submarines.

Plus, that still wont make it a torpedo.

@Hassan Guy

Checked all known arms transfers 1950 to 2015 in Sipri database for torpedoes

France
(20) E14 550MM AS torpedo (1967) 1970 For 3 Daphne (Hangor) submarines
(6) E14 550MM AS torpedo (1975) 1975 For 1 Daphne (Hangor) submarine
(20) E-15 550mm AS torpedo (1967) 1970 For 3 Daphne (Hangor) submarines
(6) E-15 550mm AS torpedo (1975) 1975 For 1 Daphne (Hangor) Class submarine
(20) L3 550mm ASW torpedo (1967) 1970 For 3 Daphne (Hangor) submarines
(6) L3 550mm ASW torpedo (1975) 1975 For 1 Daphne (Hangor) Class submarine
(80) F17 550mm AS/ASW torpedo (1978) 1979 For 2 Agosta (Hashmat) Class submarines (could incl E14, E15 and/or L3 torpedoes)
(100) F17 550mm AS/ASW torpedo (1996) 1999-2006 F-17P Mod-2 version; for Agosta-90B (Khalid) submarines
(25) SM-39 Exocet Anti-ship missile 1994 1999-2006 $100 m deal; for Agosta-90B (Khalid) submarines *submarine launched encapsultated version

Germany
(15) SUT AS/ASW torpedo (1989) 1990-1991 For MG-110 midget submarines
59 DM2A4 Seehecht AS/ASW torpedo 2005 2007-2008 $80 m deal; for Agosta-90B (Khalid) submarines

Italy
(12) A244 324mm ASW torpedo (1987) 1989

Sweden
(40) Type-43 ASW torpedo 1994 1999-2004 Type-43X2 version; for modernized Amazon (Tariq) frigates

United States
(50) Mk-44 ASW torpedo (1964) 1965-1966
100 Mk-46 ASW torpedo (1977) 1978-1980
(80) Mk-46 ASW torpedo (1988) 1989 Probably Second-hand; for Brooke (Badr) frigates

China
(100) Yu-4 533mm AS torpedo (2014) For 6 Type-041 (S-20) submarines
(100) SET-65E 533mm (Yu-3 version) ASW torpedo (2015) For Type-041 submarines
(80) C-802/CSS-N-8 Anti-ship missile (2015) For 6 Type-041 (S-20) submarines

There must be something missing. PN is operating a fleet of ASW helicopters as well and they too can carry torpedos.
There must be some Chinese torpedos as well being used with Z9C

 

[wiseone2]

It is not used with the existing submarines.

Plus, that still wont make it a torpedo.


There must be something missing. PN is operating a fleet of ASW helicopters as well and they too can carry torpedos.
There must be some Chinese torpedos as well being used with Z9C

I think india and Pakistan do not have state of the art stand off torpedoes
ASW aircraft use depth charges against submarines

 

[SherDil]

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Great work Khan shb

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

These are the tubes for lightweight ASW torpedoes in the Tariq class (former Type 21 Amazons). 400mm Bofors Type-43X2 version. Probably can also fire smaller diameter US and Italian ASW torps

Sublaunched C802

The Torpedo tubes are not 43x2, which comes with its own launch mechanism. These are LWT tubes that fire Mk46.