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Top USA National Security Officials Admit Turkey Coup

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That one article's sources are unreliable about a specific topic doesn't necessarily enforce a specific view. CIA's modus operandi is basically overthrowing governments they unfavor, since its very inception.
The lie is proven, but you accept it because it has reinforced your prejudices.
 
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There may not be hard evidence yet, but given the CIA's past records on coups (e.g. Turkey 1980 and Iran 1953 coup), the ever exaggeratedly growing anti-Turkey & Erdogan stance of US and EU politicians and media speaks more than enough, their very reluctant and unsupportive stance on gulenists and pkk says enough, Turkey's increasing voice and determination to stand up for its interests is a thorn in the eyes of the US and EU. One fake article doesnt change anything, the Obama administration, or at least the CIA, was mostly likely behind it.

It's absolutely not important to explain all of this to that Suleyman dude as he only cares about Israel and would whitewash actions as long as they suit his worldview, democracy or coup doesn't matter for him. Good that i ignored him long ago, will stay that way as he apparently keeps spamming BS anti-Turkey articles.
 
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The lie is proven, but you accept it because it has reinforced your prejudices.
Well, things will settle down if US hands the criminal cult leader Gülen over to Turkey, because we dont see any reason why US would refuse to extradite him except theres something to hide, till then Turks will look skeptically at US.
The past with US invovement in Turkish internal matters (including a coup) doesnt help in this matter either.
 
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There may not be hard evidence yet, but given the CIA's past records on coups (e.g. Turkey 1980 and Iran 1953 coup) -
Nothing about CIA inspiring the 1980 coup in the declassified record: link. The Carter-era CIA reforms made things like plotting coups in foreign countries much more difficult, if they haven't been abandoned entirely.

...their very reluctant and unsupportive stance on gulenists and pkk says enough -
Erdogan demands Gulen's extradition for the coup, yet admits he has yet to supply the U.S. with the evidence necessary to extradite him under treaty. So the U.S. has its hands tied while Erdogan continues to pummel it. The effect is to increase anti-Americanism in Turkey - and that's probably the point of the exercise, isn't it?

...One fake article doesnt change anything, the Obama administration, or at least the CIA, was mostly likely behind it.
You could just write, "Yes, Solomon2, I agree with you 100%."
 
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While the Obama Administration and the CIA officially cling to the fig leaf lie that US intelligence was innocent of any involvement in the failed July 15 coup d’ etat attempt by the CIA-run Fethullah Gülen organization in Turkey, the truth is coming out from senior US intelligence insiders themselves. It reflects a huge internal faction struggle within US leading circles in what by all accounts is shaping to be the most bizarre Presidential election year in American history.

The first admission that US intelligence had their hand in the anti-Erdogan coup, a coup launched just days after Erdogan announced a major strategic shift away from NATO and towards Russia, came from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is one of the most senior members of the US intelligence establishment, a former Obama Presidential adviser and former National Security Council architect of the Jimmy Carter 1979 Mujahideen Afghanistan terror operations against the Soviet forces in that country.

In a Twitter tweet from his own blog, Brzezinski wrote a precis of a new article he wrote for The American Interest magazine. He writes, “The US backing of the attempted coup against the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a grave mistake that could deliver a major blow to the US reputation.” That’s definitely putting it mildly given what’s unfolding in Turkey since July 15.

Brzezinski went on to write, “Turkey was on the verge of reconsidering its foreign policy after failure in the Syria during the last five years, and the US miscalculation in supporting the coup and hosting its leader (Fethullah Gülen, now in CIA-arranged exile in Pennsylvania-w.e.) was so serious that it is no longer possible to put the blame on once-US-ally Turkey if it turns its back on US and rethink (sic) its policies.” He continues, “A potential Russia-Turkey-Iran coalition would create an opportunity to solve the Syrian crisis. If Erdogan had the smallest bit of wisdom, he should have come to the understanding that he could not make an independent credibility with the help of some ‘decayed’ Arab countries,” no doubt referring to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the prime financiers of the Syrian terror war against Assad since 2011.

Brzezinski, who together with Henry Kissinger was one of the foremost US foreign policy strategists of the postwar period, the founding Executive Director of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and one who still today presumably retains Top Secret clearance access to US intelligence reports, was expressing his fury at the utter incompetence of US intelligence in managing the Turkey relationship. Notably, the person in the US State Department directly responsible for not only the disastrous US coup in February, 2014 in Ukraine, but also for Turkey, is the hapless neo-con perpetual warrior-ess, Victoria “**** the EU” Nuland, wife of neo-con Robert Kagan.

Fake, no such tweet exists in Mr. Brzezinski's Twitter, nor does any such article exist in the national interest. Nor does it exist on Brzezinski's facebook. The propagator of this forged tweet is another Russia Today conspiracy theorist.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/di...coup.aspx?pageID=449&nID=103647&NewsCatID=411

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Wi...ater_Middle_East_Project.22_and_the_US_factor


Brzezinski’s candid critique was followed up by an even more detailed expose of US intelligence ties to Fethullah Gülen, charged by the Turkish government with treason and backing the July 15 coup. In a guest article in the EU online mgazine EurActiv.com dated 17 August, 2016, Arthur H. Hughes confirms the intimate links between Gülen and the CIA, noting that “Gülen fled to the US with the assistance of the diplomat Morton Abramovitz, CIA agents Graham Fuller and George Fidas, and the above-mentioned Fr. Alexander Karloutsos.”

Gülen CIA friend Bartholomew I

Hughes’ article is a bombshell in many respects, and most definitely in his detailing of the intimate ties between the CIA, Gülen and the current Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, current Archbishop of Constantinople and Ecumenical Patriarch. Hughes described the above-mentioned Father Alexander Karloutsos:

“…one of the members of the American-Israeli lobby in the Constantinople Patriarchate is Father Alexander Karloutsos, Public Affairs Officer close to Archbishop Demetrios (of America-w.e.). Thanks to his ties with high-level officials and Greek-American billionaires, he is basically the only person who controls the money flows from the US to the Phanar (the Greek Orthodox part of Istanbul-w.e.), and that gives him wide possibilities of exerting pressure upon the Ecumenical Patriarchate. On the other hand, Karloutsos is also in good relations with former CIA Director George Tenet, and with the preacher Fethullah Gülen cooperating with the American intelligence.”
Another Fake http://www.euractiv.com/section/glo...a-take-aim-at-patriarch-bartholomew/#comments

NOTE: EurActiv has unpublished this article following confirmation that the author was a fake. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused at a challenging time for Turkey and have taken measures to strengthen our internal processes as a consequence.

This article is a fabrication. Ambassador Hughes did not write it. EurActiv apparently copied it from a Msocw-based website known as Orientalresearch.org Oriental research has admitted that it accepted the submission without verifying that Ambassador Hughes was indeed the author. It has since dropped the article from its website. Following is Ambassador Hughes’ statement: “On August 16, 2016, an organization known as Oriental Review, http://www.orientalreview.org, placed on its website an article concerning the Patriarch of Constantinople and attributed it to me. I can state categorically that I did not write this article, contribute it to Oriental Review, nor do I have any knowledge of the statements alleged in the article. Mr. Andrey Fomin, Founding Editor of Oriental Review, has acknowledged by email that they did not verify whether I in fact had sent the article, expressed regret and removed it from their website. Despite my repeated requests to Mr. Fomin, Oriental Review has not posted a statement indicating that the article in question and my alleged authorship were indeed a fabrication.

Arthur H. Hughes
United States Ambassador (Retired)”


Basically the author refers to a forged tweet, a fake article, and his own book.

Woops, looks like i'm late to the debunking..
 
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Can't act on emotions. For example, Turkey is involved in NATO projects and won't/can't abandon such projects just yet. You can count on it that once Turkey gets even more self-suffient military and defence industry wise, gets even a broader and deeper partnership rolling with Russia and China and is done with all NATO projects, then Turkey can decide to ditch the NATO.
You are going to build your future air force around f35 , so you will need USA for more than 20 years ... NATO = usA

Nothing is going to change. BUT
The day which Turkey decide to quit NATO & US of A. From that right moment you will se civil war in Turkey.
Amreki were supporting Kurdish Moment when Turks were there closest ally. Now if Turks decide to leave them, Gods knows what kind of support will vikings give to Kurds. After all Kurdish holds majority region of eastern and southeastern Turkey.
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They did this to Iran , but nothing happened ...
 
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Fake, no such tweet exists in Mr. Brzezinski's Twitter, nor does any such article exist in the national interest. Nor does it exist on Brzezinski's facebook. The propagator of this forged tweet is another Russia Today conspiracy theorist.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/di...coup.aspx?pageID=449&nID=103647&NewsCatID=411

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Wi...ater_Middle_East_Project.22_and_the_US_factor



Another Fake http://www.euractiv.com/section/glo...a-take-aim-at-patriarch-bartholomew/#comments






Basically the author refers to a forged tweet, a fake article, and his own book.

Woops, looks like i'm late to the debunking..

Woops,looks like you think you are.
Maybe you didnt know that im not a supporter of this government,but a fact is a fact,there are many reasons to believe that this coup was orchestrated by the CIA.
Sibel Edmonds(a former FBI translater a government critic residing in the US) a famous whistleblower is anti Erdogan,even she claimed that the CIA was behind the coup attempt.

A Turkish newspaper,
http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/us...-man-behind-the-failed-coup-in-turkey-2499245

Another Turkish newspaper,
http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2016/08/03/former-tsk-chief-cia-feto-behind-coup-attempt

Are these people all liars and conspiracy theorists?
Why doesnt the US extradite Gulen,is it because he would reveal secrets or because they love him so much?
 
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Woops,looks like you think you are.
Maybe you didnt know that im not a supporter of this government,but a fact is a fact,there are many reasons to believe that this coup was orchestrated by the CIA.

If there are, they aren't in evidence in the topic article.

Sibel Edmonds(a former FBI translater a government critic residing in the US) a famous whistleblower is anti Erdogan,even she claimed that the CIA was behind the coup attempt.
She is also anti US.
She can claim it, she has no evidence to prove it though,making her not much different from the 2 conspiracy theorists she talks with. Might as well accuse the US of sacrificing Turkish babies to Yahweh while they are at it.

Without supporting documents, the anonymous 'sources' this newspaper states are without credibility.

Meanwhile commander campbell denied any association and has an alibi.

(I don't normally use fox news alone, but since Geraldo is a fox reporter I feel they have some credibilty here as being closest to the primary alibi)
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...-accuses-us-general-planning-failed-coup.html


so aside from anonymous sources of dubious credibility saying he was there and planning the coup, what do they have? More importantly have there been any formal accusations or is this just looking for any possibility? For all we know it was entertained but then dismissed.

Again speculation without proof, and he'd be in a good position of giving proof if he had it.

Are these people all liars and conspiracy theorists?

They are speculating based on bias, they don't have any evidence they can provide. The yenisafak newspaper seems to be lying about commander campbell's involvement, or at the very least its 'sources' remain dubious without providing some sort of further proof. They have been directly contradicted about where General Campbell was at the time of the coup.


Why doesn't the US extradite Gulen,is it because he would reveal secrets or because they love him so much?
Because Turkey needs to provide the evidence of his involvement, Erdogan himself says they haven't done that yet, and at least domestically the US is a nation of laws. There is no way the US gov is going to be able to extradite someone living here without due process, it would be struck down by the courts.

Its much easier to 'know' something, than it is to 'prove' it.

:edit: another article with Campbell denying it. http://www.wsj.com/articles/retired...ations-he-masterminded-turkey-coup-1469455731

This article also has an interesting comment from Erdogan's spokesman.

Ibrahim Kalin, Mr. Erdogan’s spokesman, told Western reporters last week that he did not support suggestions made by one Turkish minister who suggested that the U.S. backed the coup.


“I think it was a comment made in the heat of the event,” he said. “Obviously emotions ran high.”
 
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If there are, they aren't in evidence in the topic article.


She is also anti US.
She can claim it, she has no evidence to prove it though,making her not much different from the 2 conspiracy theorists she talks with. Might as well accuse the US of sacrificing Turkish babies to Yahweh while they are at it.


Without supporting documents, the anonymous 'sources' this newspaper states are without credibility.

Meanwhile commander campbell denied any association and has an alibi.

(I don't normally use fox news alone, but since Geraldo is a fox reporter I feel they have some credibilty here as being closest to the primary alibi)
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...-accuses-us-general-planning-failed-coup.html


so aside from anonymous sources of dubious credibility saying he was there and planning the coup, what do they have? More importantly have there been any formal accusations or is this just looking for any possibility? For all we know it was entertained but then dismissed.


Again speculation without proof, and he'd be in a good position of giving proof if he had it.



They are speculating based on bias, they don't have any evidence they can provide. The yenisafak newspaper seems to be lying about commander campbell's involvement, or at the very least its 'sources' remain dubious without providing some sort of further proof. They have been directly contradicted about where General Campbell was at the time of the coup.



Because Turkey needs to provide the evidence of his involvement, Erdogan himself says they haven't done that yet, and at least domestically the US is a nation of laws. There is no way the US gov is going to be able to extradite someone living here without due process, it would be struck down by the courts.

Its much easier to 'know' something, than it is to 'prove' it.

:edit: another article with Campbell denying it. http://www.wsj.com/articles/retired...ations-he-masterminded-turkey-coup-1469455731

This article also has an interesting comment from Erdogan's spokesman.
My friend,lets just agree to disagree and move on,maybe we will see who is right or wrong in the future sometime.
 
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This whole coup was a Russian conspiracy. All the articles saying Erdogan fled the country started on Russian news sites.

Now they are making up Twitter stuff and fake quotes from ex-officials.
 
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My friend,lets just agree to disagree and move on,maybe we will see who is right or wrong in the future sometime.

Sure, if it turns out the US had a hand in the Turkey coup then irrefutable evidence will eventually come out, the US gov is terrible at keeping secrets like that. As of now though there is no direct evidence on the matter.
 
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