Top US general says Taliban 'living in comfort' in Pakistan

[xyxmt]

So Pakistan shouldn't provide safe havens to them so that they can't organise themselves to conduct any attacks on coalition forces.

Ofcourse what I said is my guess. But then how else you gonna explain their accusations anyway?

I will explain it as:
over a trillion USD spent where are the results??
we are not capable to fight someone who returns fire with fire, so here are our excuses.

When was the last time US forces fought someone who fights back? they are only good at using proxies but in this case they are faced with a proxy LOL dont know how to handle it

 

[ghauri05]

Thank you for the sane reply.

A quick question, as compared to Pakistan, Afghanistan has 100 times LESS capabilities to secure the border so you can't expect them to be perfect on their part either. If co-operation is being mentioned by you, won't you agree that providing safe havens to Talibs (which is debatable, but the US and Afghanistan both accuse you for it. No smoke without fire?) equals to 'non co-operation' on part of Pakistan?

First of all..doesn't USA has sophisticated drones that can hit any target anywhere..thy can even monitor that the person is armed or not???They can bomb the infrastructure??
So with all these capabilities how a group of Talibans allegedly pass through thousands of miles undetected and without any loss???

Now secondly when Talibs are controlling more than 40% area which USA and Afghanistan aren't able to enter..why would they need to live in Pak..won't it be logistical problem for them to carry out attacks???

And lastly...u can read the entire history of US wars..after WW2...US has failed in all of those and always put blame on others for its failed policies...and brainwashing american public and the entire world that we were the angels in the war but some devil came in n disrupted our plans

 

[Tom M]

Not really, there was a conflict between Gulbuddin Hekmyatar, whose forces were shelling
the forces of the Northern Alliance in Kabul.
Then the Taliban popped out of nowhere,armed to the teeth from a giant weapons
cache established by Pakistan inside Afghanistan.
The training they received, was in madrases within Pakistan.
Benazir Bhutto approved funding them.
They created themselves, but would have been nowhere without Pakistan.
Don’t forget that there are actually people here which REMEMBER what happened.
We will no fall for revisionists tryingto fake the history.

I do not believe that Pakistan controls the Afgan taliban, and their goals can sometime
differ from the goals of Pakistan
but their current position is still like it is due to support from entities like the Haqqanies.

One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand what you said. No forces, proxy or conventional can fight a war with their backs to the wall for a long time. The reason why Berlin fell back in 1945 or Pakistan army surrendered amass in 1971 was because they had nowhere to go and no supply-line were running their way.

Now, as per the geography, if the Taliban were to fight with their backs to the walls, sandwiched between the Northern Alliance/NATO and Pakistan border, it will be only a matter of days that they surrender or get annihilated.

 

[jetray]

One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand what you said. No forces, proxy or conventional can fight a war with their backs to the wall for a long time. The reason why Berlin fell back in 1945 or Pakistan army surrendered amass in 1971 was because they had nowhere to go and no supply-line were running their way.

Now, as per the geography, if the Taliban were to fight with their backs to the walls, sandwiched between the Northern Alliance/NATO and Pakistan border, it will be only a matter of days that they surrender or get annihilated.

will have to see which country will go bankrupt first fighting a proxy war.

 

[Kuru]

I will explain it as:
over a trillion USD spent where are the results??
we are not capable to fight someone who returns fire with fire, so here are our excuses.

When was the last time US forces fought someone who fights back? they are only good at using proxies but in this case they are faced with a proxy LOL dont know how to handle it

Lol okay I'll take that.

But I still feel that it isn't as black and white as you make out to be. The US' accusations on Pakistan didn't come out of nowhere. There are instances in the past where terrorists were found to be living safely in Pakistan and the US had to kill them unilaterally. So there's a history too.

This, along with the fact that there are officialls in Islamabad and Pindi who have soft corner for Afghan Talibs, makes it very difficult for Pakistan to defend itself against these accusations from the US.

Pakistan supporting Talibs shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who knows about this so called War on Terror. The US' patience is running out with every passing day. With President Trump in the White House, it could've been worst BUT - fortunately for Pakistan - the Yankees have now become busy in the Korean Peninsula. Thanks to that fat kid KIM in Pyongyang

Now secondly when Talibs are controlling more than 40% area which USA and Afghanistan aren't able to enter..why would they need to live in Pak..won't it be logistical problem for them to carry out attacks???

Good point. Can anyone from the US answer this for me? Thanks in advance.

 

[Tom M]

will have to see which country will go bankrupt first fighting a proxy war.

Just look at the economic statistics of each country involved since 1970's. Who's economy is growing downwards like a Bitter Gourd ???? It only a matter of time. LOL

 

[khail007]

Top US Generals - very funny - can't win a war against handful of miscreants since last 16 years even they have best equipment and technology at their disposal. If such are the TOPS than imagine what could be the LOWER ones.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I this page (5) of comments quite well explains why the US are unhappy with Pakistan.
Every Pakistani here is eager to declare themselves an enemy of the US.

 

[RescueRanger]

America is one to talk! What a find mess they have made in Afghanistan and the Middle East in the past 15 years!

 

[That Guy]

Not really, there was a conflict between Gulbuddin Hekmyatar, whose forces were shelling
the forces of the Northern Alliance in Kabul.
Then the Taliban popped out of nowhere,armed to the teeth from a giant weapons
cache established by Pakistan inside Afghanistan.
The training they received, was in madrases within Pakistan.
Benazir Bhutto approved funding them.
They created themselves, but would have been nowhere without Pakistan.
Don’t forget that there are actually people here which REMEMBER what happened.
We will no fall for revisionists tryingto fake the history.

I do not believe that Pakistan controls the Afgan taliban, and their goals can sometime
differ from the goals of Pakistan
but their current position is still like it is due to support from entities like the Haqqanies.

The taliban didn't pop out of nowhere, they grew steadily, and quickly spread due to people's support. Instead of fighting for control over Kabul and Afghanistan's resources, they fought against warlords to bring stability.

Of course, everything has a price, and for peace, it was personal freedoms.

The taliban would have become a power, even without Pakistan, the Pakistanis just made it easier and quicker for the taliban to come to power.

 

[That Guy]

A) They don't seem to accept Durand Line. The fact that even Talibs (even after having support of Pakistan to run their government in Afghanistan) became hostile to you eventually, shows that Afghanistan will NEVER accept it. Though Afghanistan is weak at the moment so it can't do much right now, but whenever their situation improves, this is going to be nasty.

Luckily, Pakistan no longer cares what Afghanistan thinks.

B) Oh common, I can give you many links where Afghanistan head called Pakistan a brotherly 'country' so it's wrong to assume that they don't consider Pakistan a sovereign country. At least I believe it.

Words are meaningless, action is what matters. The fact that their official policy says that half of Pakistan belongs to Afghanistan, and the other half belongs to India, proves how much the Afghans really care about Pakistan's sovereignty; Spoiler, they don't actually care.

For the rest, I hope you aren't telling me that you provide safe havens to Talibs because the West providing shelter to Pakistani criminals, are you? If you are then it's kinda unfortunate. If you aren't, then it's fine.

I'm not, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation. While I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, I think former CIA official Michael Scheuer has a better understand of the situation in South Asia than most of the US government, military and intelligence services.

The only thing I'd say is this, Pakistan cannot and should not fight the Afghan war on its own soil. Pakistan may ignore the Afghan taliban, but that isn't the same thing as helping them. As it is, Pakistan has no real reason to start a war, which frankly the world's greatest super power has failed to win; you can probably understand Pakistan's reluctance here.

IMO, Pakistan support Talibs because of so called "strategic depth?" Pakistan thinks that a India friendly government in Kabul is a threat to it?

Pakistan isn't afraid of an India friendly government, Pakistan is afraid of a India controlled, anti-Pakistan government, which the successive governments in Afghanistan has been, since the ouster of the taliban.

Anyway, I firmly believe that supporting Talibs isn't gonna take you anywhere. It backfired after 9/11 and it WILL backfire again if you don't act NOW. The West don't have to think about such consequences for "supporting Pakistani criminals" but you do. Sad but true.

No, what backfired was Pakistan joining a war, which has led to a civil war within Pakistan, with tens of thousands of Pakistanis dead. If Pakistan had stayed the hell out of it, and Musharraf had told the US to **** off, Pakistan would have been in a much better position right now.

Tens of thousands of lives lost, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, an entire generation lost to a war economy, that's the price Pakistan has paid for getting involved in an unwinnable war on terror.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The taliban didn't pop out of nowhere, they grew steadily, and quickly spread due to people's support. Instead of fighting for control over Kabul and Afghanistan's resources, they fought against warlords to bring stability.

Of course, everything has a price, and for peace, it was personal freedoms.

The taliban would have become a power, even without Pakistan, the Pakistanis just made it easier and quicker for the taliban to come to power.

Which is not what happened.
They were totally unknown, and then suddenly took control over around a third of Afghanistan in a few months.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Which is not what happened.
They were totally unknown, and then suddenly took control over around a third of Afghanistan in a few months.

Yes that is true but what is the point your making?

And can somebody please tell the US General if he knows the 'addresse' do please send SEAL Team 101 in do what is required.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yes that is true but what is the point your making?

And can somebody please tell the US General if he knows the 'addresse' do please send SEAL Team 101 in do what is required.

They are sitting in the outskirts of kabul .. Only if they leave their bases they can see what's going on in rest of the Afghanistan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yes that is true but what is the point your making?

The Afghan Taliban were financed by Pakistan.
They got their weapons from Pakistan.
They got their training in Pakistan.
They manage to overthrow the Mujahedin, with Pakistans help with participation of PA according to some.
Then somehow, it is not Pakistan’s problem.

According to the OP:

• The US believes the Afghan Taliban top leadership resides in Pakistan.
• When the US agrees with Pakistan on operations vs these leaders, Pakistan does something else.

It is well known that Pakistanis complain when the US acts alone in Pakistan.
When people help the US target UBL, they are arrested.

and the US has no reasons to complain?