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Indians like to say Pakistanis are the same as Indians.
Yet they will never dare to come to western or southwestern Pakistan and say this.
Myth#4 is your delusion!Where did u get the numbers?
Seriiously where did the money go?
The point being that India has really only won one war, and that is 1971. 1965 is at best a stalemate.Regarding Myth1 only people out here belive pakistan won 1965 war and India has always been the aggressor.
But the Generals and AMs who fought the war thinks different.
So either the pakistani generals/AMs dont have any knowledge or may be ppl out here knows more than them.
Follow my post regarding Myth1 along with links.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/9883-india-offers-pakistan-joint-naval-exercises-5.html#post769598
Myth 4 may not be as much of a myth now, but at the time almost every other Indian on this forum and elsewhere was making comments about related to the size of Pakistan's defence budget. There were even articles in the Indian press that made these absurd claims.
The point being that India has really only won one war, and that is 1971. 1965 is at best a stalemate.
And read through the rest of the thread please, all of you, instead of regurgitating the same arguments again and again. Almost all the recent replies have covered old ground and I am not responding to the same point again and again.
And the best part is in each war, the element of surprise was with Pakistan.Pakistan decided the place and timing for the first assault but as you admitted correctly not a single chapter ends with Pakistan on the victory deck.
Dude 1948 you attacked Kashmir which was not India. India came in later after Maharaja signed treaty of accesion. So what you won was not against India but against Kashmir.
Pakistan (or atleast Pakistani pastun proxies) attacked the independant princely state of Jammu and Kashmir in october 1947 and almost captured the whole state, before the maharaja of Kashmir decided to acceed J&K to India. Only then India entered the war and pushed back the invading Paksitani forces. India gained terroritory in J&K from nothing in 1947 to almost 2/3rd area in 1948.100% Kashmir was in India when the 1948 War started and then Pakistan captured 21% of Kashmir before the war ended. So. Ramu says"Pakistan decided the place and timing for the first assault but as you admitted correctly not a single chapter ends with Pakistan on the victory deck."
Source please.When the 1965 War started 79% Kashsmir was in India and at the end of the war India has 74% left, another loss of 5%. Ramu says"Pakistan decided the place and timing for the first assault but as you admitted correctly not a single chapter ends with Pakistan on the victory deck."
Whatever you may call it, for most of the people it was great war which India won decisively. If by not calling it a war, may be it will mitigate some of your shame of defeat, so be it.1971 War was not even a war because India knew the only way to fight Pakistan is through insurgency with other people, so 20 years of Muqti Bani terrorist training camps.
Dude, You too need a reality check.Ramu: check the map of Kashmir on August 14th 1947 and check the map now and you will know, who won 1948 and 1965. If you still do not see it see a optomotrist or a psychitrist.
loose territtory? like in 1971 loose half the country and in 1984 loose the Siachen glacier?India looses territory is both wars and Indian history book are telling kids India won the wars, what are you smoking dude?