Top Indian Myths about Pakistan!

[Dalai Lama]

what the entire world knows except Indians that She give run for your life with her courageous reports

Courageous or controversial? Controversy gets her noticed.

Getting noticed = more books sold = more money in her pocket.

I admit that she's a smart woman, smart because she knows how to make money.

 

[jatayu]

They are not the same:

1. Pakistan fights through proxies (India has done the same so why bother raising that point)

2. India has always been peaceful and never committed aggression against Pakistan or any other country (shown to be false as well).

I think u dont know the full history of srilankan conflict? learn fully.

So u r justifing proxy war imagine if india thinks the same way how many billions we can pump

 

[Surrender2me]

In India,people have a myth that pakistan will conquer whole India by 2012..
But that's a Myth...

 

[aakash_2410]

Myth 1.
Pakistan lost all 3 wars with India.

Pakistan and India have fought 3 wars - 1948, 1965 and 1971.

Barring 1971 (which occurred while a civil war, assisted by India, was raging in East Pakistan), no war has resulted in a decisive 'victory' for either side.

Myth 2.
Pakistan fights through proxies

Well, this is true. Pakistan has supported Kashmiri Freedom fighters in Indian Occupied Kashmir, and did support the Mujahideen (with US and Saudi support) and later the Taliban.

However, this allegation by Indians completely overlooks India's own long association with proxy groups.

1. Supported proxies that destabilized East Pakistan for many years leading into 1971
2. Supported the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) - a terrorist organization in Sri Lanka
3. Supported the Northern Alliance - a group of warlords and criminals in Afghanistan
4. Supported Baluch insurgents in Pakistan

Myth 3.
India has never committed aggression against Pakistan, or any other country.
This is clearly not the case as seen below

1. Support for insurgents in East Pakistan leding into 1971 and the ensuing war
2. Support for the LTTE (a terrorist organization in Sri Lanka) against the Sri Lankan State
3. The invasion of Siachen in 1984 in clear violation of the Simla Accord
4. Support for the Baluch insurgency

Myth 4.
Pakistan spends 70% (or more, depending upon the Indian) of its budget on Defense.

Pakistan's defence budget for 2009 was about 4.4 billion USD. With a GDP of about 160 billion USD and a budget of 33 billion USD, that works out to be about 2.75% of GDP and 13.3% of the total budget.
PAKISTAN'S TOTAL OUTLAY IN 2007-08 BUDGET TO BE ABOUT US$33 BLN. | Goliath Business News

This compares with an Indian defence budget of about 26 billion that is 14.4% of the total budget and about 2.3% - so what's the big deal with Pakistan's defence budget?

Myth 5.
Pakistani politics is dominated by Kashmir

This argument goes along the lines of 'the Army/leadership makes sure that the only thing Pakistanis are aware of is Kashmir, and in this way distracts them from socio-economic issues and avoids investing in development'.

No doubt most Pakistanis are aware of Kashmir, but the fact that we have cutthroat national politics, with political parties that have significant ideological differences, it is absurd to suggest that the only issue mentioned during stump speeches is 'Kashmir'.

Most of the PR and advertisements run by Pakistani political parties in fact focus on providing development and bringing about prosperity, not Kashmir. Most politicians talk about providing, jobs, investment etc. and most Pakistanis vote on that basis - even when voting on biraadri lines since they believe 'their guy' will provide them with economic opportunity/favors.

The political process in Pakistan remains largely driven by issues that are important to most people elsewhere in the world - jobs, inflation, development etc.

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Feel free to offer suggestions on changes, additions, improvements and I'll incorporate them if I think they are appropriate.

Myth 1:
Even though india did not win all 3 wars but it definately had an upper hand in them. [Thats the truth according to many historians and yes we do believe we had upper hand but dont think we won them all.]

Myth 2:
You've admitted myth 2 is true so no comment.

Myth 3:
That is true. India has NEVER shown aggresion i repeat NEVER shown aggresion except of 1965 'forward policy'.

*we DID support mukti bahini not because of pakistan we did that for ourselves cuz india's young economy at that time couldn't withstand 2 million refugees from east pak. and we did it for people in bangladesh. We were asked to help, we didn't intervene.
*LTTE was formed by sri lankans definately RAW did help them but india had to pay fine by loosing rajiv gandhi and there are no proofs of indain involvement since. [Like u.s. helped al-queda fighting russians.]
*india doesn't support them. Well there are no proofs anyway. [even though some people argue there are.]

and frankly no indian believes in myth 4 and 5 anyway.

 

[53fd]

Some very common myths perpetuated by Indians:

1) Pakistan is under threat of losing its government, its regions and its nukes to the Taliban lol...

2) Pakistan (more specifically the ISI) is responsible for EACH AND EVERYTHING wrong in India, and India & Indians cannot possibly be at fault for anything, because we know the reality that the Indians are so perfect *cough cough Dawood Ibrahim.

3) The Indian government is innocent, wants peace with Pakistan; but they are deceived by the mischief making Pakistani government.

4) Pakistanis are more obsessed about India and it's 'development' than vice versa.

5) Pakistan is a failed state while India is a superpower

6) India's history is thousands of years old, but Pakistan's history is only 63 years old (remember, there was no one country called India before 1947, but an amalgamation of individual states ruled by their individual rulers that had nothing to do with each other).

7) Indian Muslims are in a larger number than Pakistani Muslims (95% Muslim population of a total of 170 million makes the number of Muslims in Pakistan 161 million. 13.2% Muslim population of a total of 1.1 billion makes the number of Muslims in India 145 million).

8) Indian Muslims are better off than Pakistani Muslims.

9) India has always been more developed than Pakistan, especially when the truth is that over 50 out of 63 years since 1947, Pakistan has grown and developed more rapidly than India.

10) Pakistan's maps about Kashmir are wrong, and theirs are right (Pakistan show Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir as Pakistan-administered area, and all the other regions across the LOC Indian-occupied Kashmir. India shows regions as part of its territory that are not under its control, such as Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir).

 

[SMC]

It's actually surprising how many bharatis believe that Pakistan needs aid to survive.

For f*cks sake, we are getting aid to fight WoT. We do not ask for the aid. And it's been a meagre 500m per year. You telling me a 180 billion dollar economy survives on 500m per year? Morons. But then, I can't expect any other kind of delusion from bharatis.

Actually they've made themselves believe all kinds of myths about Pakistan courtesy their media and western media.

 

[Xeric]

Same 'ol tale of myths - some more insight:

Defence forces are White Elephant and spend maximum percentage of the National Budget

Debt servicing and PSDP constitute 60% of the National Budget, another 19% is spent on General Public Services. Only 16 % of the National Budget is spent on Defence Forces which comes to 2.7% of our GDP (2010-11)


Armed Forces contribute nothing towards National economy.

Armed Forces contribute an average 60-70% of the allocated budget annually, towards National economy by way of taxes and foreign remittances. Army contributed Rs 146.8 Bn against budget allocation of Rs 146 Bn for year 2009/10.



Army is involved in commercial/ business activities.

All commercial/ business activities undertaken by Armed Forces are approved by the Government, essentially aimed at welfare of serving/ retired personnel of the Armed Forces. These projects hardly compensate for allocated deficiency and furthermore, substantially contribute towards National exchequer in shape of taxes. (AWT alone pays billions of Rs in taxes each years).

 

[rockstarIN]

It's actually surprising how many bharatis believe that Pakistan needs aid to survive.

For f*cks sake, we are getting aid to fight WoT. We do not ask for the aid. And it's been a meagre 500m per year. You telling me a 180 billion dollar economy survives on 500m per year? Morons. But then, I can't expect any other kind of delusion from bharatis.

Actually they've made themselves believe all kinds of myths about Pakistan courtesy their media and western media.

A bit of old report, but just to brust your bubble..

Pakistan asks IMF for emergency help as economy faces collapse

Pakistan is asking for emergency aid from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) as the country scrambles to raise $4 billion (£2.4billion) in 30 days to save its economy from collapse.

Shamshad Akhtar, Pakistan's central bank governor, travelled to Dubai last night to hold talks with an IMF mission group. The focus of negotiations will be a multibillion-dollar bailout package designed to avert a balance of payments crisis as Pakistan's foreign reserves plummet.

Officials of the IMF said that financing could be provided through its emergency financing mechanism, a fast-track process that has been revived in the wake of the sub-prime crisis.

Pakistan's economy has all but fallen apart in recent months, rocked by terror attacks, high oil and food prices and the seizure of the global credit markets. The country's foreign reserves have fallen by three quarters in a year, to about $4.3billion, according to Bloomberg data - a sum barely sufficient to cover a month's imports. Mohsin Khan, the IMF's regional director, said this week that Pakistan may need up to $15billion over the next two years to help it to stay afloat as it tackles yawning current account and fiscal deficits and inflation that is running at 25 per cent, a 30-year high.

According to Pakistani officials, up to $4billion is needed within a month to avert a balance of payments crisis. It is a sum that the IMF, with resources to make an estimated $200billion in loans, could cover easily.

Shaukat Tarin, an economic adviser to the Pakistani Government, said this week: “The immediate requirement is to get $3billion to $4billion in the next 30 days.”

The decision to turn to the IMF, which traditionally has insisted on conditions such as high taxes and lower spending when it makes loans, is likely to be unpopular with voters and will be embarrassing for President Zardari. He has said that he considered the Washington-based institution a lender of last resort and that that his Government, Pakistan's first democratically elected administration in a decade, would survive by “tightening its belt”.

The Government has made reforms that should please IMF officials, including cutting subsidies on fuel and other measures designed to cut this year's fiscal deficit.

However, overtures by Mr Zardari to China, the United States and other countries have failed to secure the urgent financial support that his seven-month-old regime badly needs.

A sign of the frustration building in Pakistan, regarded as a key ally in the West's campaign to stamp out Islamist terror groups, appeared recently when officials reacted angrily to a statement by Richard Boucher, the US Assistant Secretary of State. Mr Boucher said that his country was willing to provide only technical support to Pakistan. What the country needed, his Pakistani peers answered, was quick cash.

The Pakistan talks, expected to last several days, are among several developments that promise to thrust the IMF, an institution whose traditional firefighting role was being questioned only months ago, back into the international limelight. Ukraine has also said in recent days that it is close to agreeing to measures to allow it to receive IMF aid. Iceland also appears to be close to a deal with the organisation.

Pakistan is likely to pose the IMF with its most challenging operation. The country's Government is fighting militants on its border with Afghanistan and is living under a security threat of which IMF officials are all too aware. They are holding their meetings with Pakistani officials in Dubai because Islamabad is deemed to be too dangerous.

Pakistan asks IMF for emergency help as economy faces collapse - Times Online

PS:- This is not to malign Pakistani image, it is sad but true.

Rgds,

 

[Xeric]

A report from 2008 was spot-on

Bravo!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

A report from 2008 was spot-on

Bravo!

And what exactly has improved since then ? Pray tell

 

[Xeric]

And what exactly has improved since then ? Pray tell

And exactly what aid we have asked for except from the CSF recently?

Dont fool yourself!

P.S And please dont show your stupidity by posting links where we had received the installments of previous loans/assistance.

 

[rockstarIN]

Even, the world economy is at recession, so its not only a Pakistani situation.

But the war on terror + recent floods have more devastating effect on the economy. Its a long way to get into good growth path..

 

[PlanetWarrior]

And exactly what aid we have asked for except from the CSF recently?

Dont fool yourself!

It's your country which you are attempting to salvage a good image for. I'm not fooling myself but purely enquiring. Hey I've been in Botswana for the past 20 years so really speaking I'm out of touch with affairs in the sub-continent. I purely asked. You should respond with facts and not innuendos like "dont fool yourself".

 

[Xeric]

Even, the world economy is at recession, so its not only a Pakistani situation.

But the war on terror + recent floods have more devastating effect on the economy. Its a long way to get into good growth path..

And nobody has/is doubting that.

 

[rockstarIN]

And nobody has/is doubting that.

Its a long way to get into good growth path..

You can't just say that it will recover or bounce back, need biz friendly policies, forward looking administrators and more importantly a good political & security situation. Can't sit back and say it will bounce back..