‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[ranjeet]

If that was supposed to be offensive I am not offended at all...for me the word if derived from the root word Jihad to mean to strive for than I am very well striving for something
But I know it is a corrupted form of the word for people who have nothing to say and use it loosely!


Somethings might be stupid for you but not the other...
Like for some saying anything against India, Modi, Hinduism and secular India makes them defensive enough to call backup...
But god forbid someone gives importance to something you give none to?

No It wasn't meant to be offensive, you come across as someone who stand up for what you think is right, and I respect that. But you take it too far at times. I know the word "JIHAD" has been corrupted far too much for non Muslim to decipher but its upto you to let other know what it truly means, and frankly it won't happen on such kind of threads.

 

[Dubious]

No It wasn't meant to be offensive, you come across as someone who stand up for what you think is right, and I respect that. But you take it too far at times. I know the word "JIHAD" has been corrupted far too much for non Muslim to decipher but its upto you to let other know what it truly means, and frankly it won't happen on such kind of threads.

I believe everyone is entitled their opinion....

As for letting the other know the true meanings...I do that whenever I get the chance of correcting via defining....but some flush the definition and are happy with what the tv feeds them

As for taking it seriously, my views are very different on that POV itself....for me Islam is not just a religion but a way of life....

If someone challenges my way of life, well, I am more than happy ask and answer why so and what makes them feel obliged to do so...Why? coz I am confident with my chosen way of life coz I was not only born in it and am from a practicing family BUT I was given the freedom to read it up, research on it and discuss it and I believe everyone should enjoy such freedom...

I have gone from fluctuating between super liberal to super Maulana and finally found a balance and I dont mind at all if anyone has a question regarding either side...its a case of been there done that

 

[ranjeet]

Yeah, I agree, this issue shouldn't have been made so big. They should have done what schools do and talk to the parents, or compromise and let her in or make her compromise to stop wearing the veil and stick with only headscarf.

This incident isn't so big for all the media coverage its getting

Considering how many Muslims have joined ISIS from UK, such kind of debate does blur the lines of who is for the Queen and who is against her !!! This kind of this would result in a far more severe retaliation than expected.

 

[Dubious]

Yeah, I agree, this issue shouldn't have been made so big. They should have done what schools do and talk to the parents, or compromise and let her in or make her compromise to stop wearing the veil and stick with only headscarf.

This incident isn't so big for all the media coverage its getting

Actually the only issue is that the same lady has been attending the same school for 5 yrs.

She suddenly chose to change her dressing style (still same lady, same teachers, same friends) and CHOSE it coz if she was forced she wouldnt "SUDDENLY" start it in O levels ...

She sat for the O Levels just in Summer WITH THE VEIL....

Then suddenly after her C grade in English was proven to be an A and she was allowed to proceed to A LEVELS ....All of a sudden her veil symbolizes and carries a different meaning? Esp when previous students claim they wore veils in the very same school and it was common practice....

Question comes down to what changed? How much media influenced the thinking? and is this NOT Islamophobia?

Same lady
Same school
Same management
Same dress code (she sat for O levels in a veil)

WHAT CHANGED?

Considering how many Muslims have joined ISIS from UK, such kind of debate does blur the lines of who is for the Queen and who is against her !!! This kind of this would result in a far more severe retaliation than expected.

THIS might be the answer!

 

[Dem!god]

What is wrong with it? As long as no one is forced and practices it out of own will....

No one questions the Sikh turban nor the Jewish Kippah but god forbid a woman makes a choice on her own accord? Is this a new form of controlling women? Not allowing them freedom to even choose what they want?

People cry about 7th to 14th century stuff but forget it was cavemen who were naked....

And gowns which were popular in Victorian times are worn on "special" occasions....yet no one's jaw drops open at 15th century display of elegance (yup that is what it is called elegant)....



What does my position have to do with anything? I already answered it btw....I requested a definition of the word coz the definitions I know dont seem to be in play...


reported for derailing ...

Thank you for participating!

hii.. hw are u doing.. long time no see..

i agree with ur most points here..
but i will say two thing ...when in rome, do as Romans do...
and
their country their rules

 

[ranjeet]

I believe everyone is entitled their opinion....

As for letting the other know the true meanings...I do that whenever I get the chance of correcting via defining....but some flush the definition and are happy with what the tv feeds them

As for taking it seriously, my views are very different on that POV itself....for me Islam is not just a religion but a way of life....

If someone challenges my way of life, well, I am more than happy ask and answer why so and what makes them feel obliged to do so...Why? coz I am confident with my chosen way of life coz I was not only born in it and am from a practicing family BUT I was given the freedom to read it up, research on it and discuss it and I believe everyone should enjoy such freedom...

I have gone from fluctuating between super liberal to super Maulana and finally found a balance and I dont mind at all if anyone has a question regarding either side...its a case of been there done that

Nah you do give that kind of impression of someone who is between liberal and complete Mullah (apologies for lack of a better word) But if you yourself do a check, you get far more defensive than @Zarvan on most of threads. You let people get the better of you. Just relax, most of people here are to troll but present your POV logically and everyone will agree with you instead of challenging you on every thread.
My last post on this thread to you, don't want to kill my buzz.

 

[Dubious]

when in rome, do as Romans do...
and
their country their rules

that is also where this whole arguement came in....

Their rules are as I have stated 3 times in this thread

Liberal = acceptance of difference

School has no uniform

Previous students claim there were women who used veil before in the very same school and post 335 just summarizes everything else

But if you yourself do a check, you get far more defensive than @Zarvan on most of threads.

damn that did kill your buzz!!

He is a good man with a bad command of the English language both in writing it and in explaining himself

 

[Dem!god]

that is also where this whole arguement came in....

Their rules are as I have stated 3 times in this thread

Liberal = acceptance of difference

School has no uniform

Previous students claim there were women who used veil before in the very same school and post 335 just summarizes everything else

there is no thing as liberal and non liberal... its just a relative word + the school management has its right to decide for the better environment of the school... they may be feeling threaten by the rise of radical Islam....
prevention is always better than cure... what if some terrorists uses the niqab and enters the premises and kill many people or abduct them.. its high possibility..

 

[ranjeet]

He is a good man with a bad command of the English language both in writing it and in explaining himself

Lol that way too much for my Secular radar to take .. if you know what I mean

 

[TankMan]

Actually the only issue is that the same lady has been attending the same school for 5 yrs.

She suddenly chose to change her dressing style (still same lady, same teachers, same friends) and CHOSE it coz if she was forced she wouldnt "SUDDENLY" start it in O levels ...

She sat for the O Levels just in Summer WITH THE VEIL....

Then suddenly after her C grade in English was proven to be an A and she was allowed to proceed to A LEVELS ....All of a sudden her veil symbolizes and carries a different meaning? Esp when previous students claim they wore veils in the very same school and it was common practice....

Question comes down to what changed? How much media influenced the thinking? and is this NOT Islamophobia?

Same lady
Same school
Same management
Same dress code (she sat for O levels in a veil)

WHAT CHANGED?


THIS might be the answer!

It's definitely Islamophobia. There are plenty of signs to what ISIS has done to Islam's image, this time the UK has been affected a lot more (As compared to previous terrorist groups, ISIS has affected the UK more, for some reason).

Media has definitely influenced that thinking a lot. In my opinion, media giving so much coverage to this particular incident is not helping Muslims. It gives more fuel to the Islamophobics who claim that Muslims are getting too much sympathy and that they don't fit into British society (which is, ironically, supposed to be multicultural).

 

[Dubious]

there is no thing as liberal and non liberal... its just a relative word + the school management has its tight to decide for the better environment of the school... they may be feeling threaten by the rise of radical Islam....
prevention is always better than cure... what if some terrorists uses the niqab and enters the premises and kill many people or abduct them.. its high possibility..

A bit far fetched but they should not have done with a girl who already started practicing the niqab before Summer and who was already led down by the same school who gave her a C which turned out to be an A...

I understand both sides but I still say the school should def refine its regulations and state clearly they no longer tolerate niqab...

This is 1 problem I have noticed very much in Western society FEAR OF BEING LABELED....

The school is fearful of being labeled what it has become...intolerant towards the niqab (coz it accommodated previous niqabis)....

Not sure how deep this fear is anchored but it def is there....otherwise they would have made less hassel had they just put it in their rules like France, no religious symbols allowed or simply nothing which cahllenges student recognition


Simply adding that line would have given the same publicity but would have died quickly as their rules their choice...

but with ambiguous rules and then making an exception NOW is def pointing at Islamophobia no matter what one says!

Coz if it wasnt this building in...they wouldnt have tolerated ANY niqabi in their history....because how come back then the same clause of student teacher relationship didnt apply??

Lol that way too much for my Secular radar to take .. if you know what I mean

sorry I meant both in understanding it and explaining himself....

 

[Hiptullha]

hahaha...a wise man once said...Better an autist than a terrorist...
i dont see hindus, jews or sikhs throwing tantrums like what is going on here...think and repent on what u have done to this world..

Tantrum? Defending your rights are now tantrums?
There are a number of civil rights cases going on right now where employees and students from a number of religious and ethnic groups claiming that they are being rejected due to discrimination.
Only idiots (like you) have the mentality "If I don't see it, it's obviously not there!"
Idiot.

 

[Supply&Demand]

Tantrum? Defending your rights are now tantrums?
There are a number of civil rights cases going on right now where employees and students from a number of religious and ethnic groups claiming that they are being rejected due to discrimination.
Only idiots (like you) have the mentality "If I don't see it, it's obviously not there!"
Idiot.

may be u should, instead of telling brits or us about human rights or religious freedom should concentrate a little more in ur own home..what happened to those 13-14 yr old hindu women who converted ''willingly" ? stupid hypocrite...

 

[Hiptullha]

may be u should, instead of telling brits or us about human rights or religious freedom should concentrate a little more in ur own home..what happened to those 13-14 yr old hindu women who converted ''willingly" ?

Ah, the classic PDF troll tactic of diverting.

Side-stepping and misleading: rather than being accountable and responsible, what the issue-dodger and subject-changer really wants is to advance their own agenda at the expense of yours, while simultaneously managing your impression of them.

Why are all trolls on PDF so bad?

 

[syedali73]

First of all, multiculturalism and tolerance does not mean that you maintain your culture while ridicule other's. Secondly, veil is something that has nothing to do with Islam for there is no such requirement in Quran or Hadith. There was indeed a time when veil was tolerable to some extent in West but no more and for good reason(s). In-fact it should not be acceptable anywhere in the world for it is not a religious obligation (as Sikh's turban etc) in the first place.

Even Sikhs don't insist on having a Kirpan (dagger) with them since in civilized societies, it is generally unacceptable to carry arms. Nobody has barred Muslims from practicing their religion, in fact when in States, I found it easier to follow Islam then when I was in Pakistan. However, doing nonsense in the name of Islam and labeling one's personal preferences as Islamic obligations/requirements is wrong.

These so-called pious Muslims bring bad name to Islam, and making it next to impossible for the remaining normal Muslims to live everywhere in the world. Is Islam all about enclosing a woman in a huge envelope? Does Islam require something else or it starts with and ends at covering woman's face? First these extremists have destroyed their own countries and now they are hell bent on doing the same in the countries where they have immigrated. Selfish people!

There should be a comprehensive ban on burqa-clad women. There is simply no place for this clownship in todays world. You do whatever you like to do in your house but in the public, no. If smoking can be banned in the supposedly multi-cultural and tolerant societies, this could also be.