What's new

To Save Our Economy, Ditch Taiwan

ao333

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Mar 15, 2010
Messages
1,289
Reaction score
0
Country
Canada
Location
Canada
WITH a single bold act, President Obama could correct the country’s course, help assure his re-election, and preserve our children’s future.

He needs to redefine America’s mindset about national security away from the old defense mentality that American power derives predominantly from our military might, rather than from the strength, agility and competitiveness of our economy. He should make it clear that today American jobs and wealth matter more than military prowess.

As Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, declared last year, “The most significant threat to our national security is our debt.”

There are dozens of initiatives President Obama could undertake to strengthen our economic security. Here is one: He should enter into closed-door negotiations with Chinese leaders to write off the $1.14 trillion of American debt currently held by China in exchange for a deal to end American military assistance and arms sales to Taiwan and terminate the current United States-Taiwan defense arrangement by 2015.

This would be a most precious prize to the cautious men in Beijing, one they would give dearly to achieve. After all, our relationship with Taiwan, as revised in 1979, is a vestige of the cold war.

Today, America has little strategic interest in Taiwan, which is gradually integrating with China economically by investing in and forming joint ventures with mainland Chinese firms. The island’s absorption into mainland China is inevitable.

But the status quo is dangerous; if Taiwanese nationalist politicians decided to declare independence or if Beijing’s hawks tired of waiting for integration and moved to take Taiwan by force, America could suddenly be drawn into a multitrillion-dollar war.

There will be “China hawks” who denounce any deal on Taiwan as American capitulation, but their fear of a Red China menacing Asia is anachronistic. Portraying the United States as a democratic Athens threatened by China’s autocratic Sparta makes for sensational imagery, but nothing could be further from reality.

The battle today is between competing balance sheets, and it is fought in board rooms; it is not a geopolitical struggle to militarily or ideologically “dominate” the Pacific.

In fact, China and the United States have interlocking economic interests. China’s greatest military asset is actually the United States Navy, which keeps the sea lanes safe for China’s resources and products to flow freely.

China would want a deal on Taiwan for several reasons. First, Taiwan is Beijing’s unspoken but hard-to-hide top priority for symbolic and strategic reasons; only access to water and energy mean more to Chinese leaders.

Second, a deal would open a clearer path for the gradual, orderly integration of Taiwan into China.

Third, it would undermine hard-line militarists who use the Taiwan issue to stoke nationalist flames, sideline pro-Western technocrats and extract larger military budgets. And finally, it would save China the considerable sums it has been spending on a vast military buildup.

Jeffrey Lewis, an East Asia expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, estimated that one-fourth to one-third of China’s defense spending goes to forces in the vicinity of Taiwan — at a cost of $30 billion to $50 billion a year. A deal for the resolution of Taiwan’s status could save China $500 billion in defense spending by 2020 and allow Beijing to break even by 2030, while reducing America’s debt and serving our broader economic interests.

The Chinese leadership would be startled — for a change — if the United States were to adopt such a savvy negotiating posture. Beyond reducing our debt, a Taiwan deal could pressure Beijing to end its political and economic support for pariah states like Iran, North Korea and Syria and to exert a moderating influence over an unstable Pakistan. It would be a game changer.

The deal would eliminate almost 10 percent of our national debt without raising taxes or cutting spending; it would redirect American foreign policy away from dated cold-war-era entanglements and toward our contemporary economic and strategic interests; and it would eliminate the risk of involvement in a costly war with China.

Critics will call this proposal impractical, even absurd. They will say it doesn’t have a prayer of passing Congress, and doesn’t acknowledge political realities. They might be right — today.

But by pursuing this agenda, Mr. Obama would change the calculus and political reality. And Congress should see a deal with China as an opportunity to make itself credible again.

Debt is not in itself bad, when managed, but today’s unsustainable debt will suffocate our economy, our democracy and our children’s futures.

By tackling the issue of Taiwan, Mr. Obama could address much of what ails him today, sending a message of bold foreign policy thinking and fiscal responsibility that would benefit every citizen and be understood by every voter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/opinion/to-save-our-economy-ditch-taiwan.html?ref=china

I LOLed so hard...
 
. .
WITH a single bold act, President Obama could correct the country’s course, help assure his re-election, and preserve our children’s future.



I LOLed so hard...


me tooo :rofl: why the hell would america ditch taiwan ,if they ditch taiwan then all it's eastern pacific allies incuding japan and phillipines would ditch US as they would lose faith in the US .
 
.
The US has often struck me as a nation that has had it good & soft for long.

It hasn't seen the hardships Asia & at times Europe has been thru.

Jettisoning friends and U Turns ..
 
.
me tooo :rofl: why the hell would america ditch taiwan ,if they ditch taiwan then all it's eastern pacific allies incuding japan and phillipines would ditch US as they would lose faith in the US .

The USA ditched Georgia when Russia invaded them in 2008 and annexed their territory.

The USA ditched South Korea when North Korea sunk the Cheonan and killed 46 soldiers, and when they later fired a lethal barrage of artillery shells on a South Korean island. Oh and not to mention when they got nuclear weapons. No response at all.

On topic: America has already given up recognition of Taiwan in 1971, the same year they recognized the PRC as the sole representative of China.

So why would we let them write off 1+ trillion in debts for something they already did? They showed how much they cared for democratic Taiwan, when they dropped all official recognition of them in favour of the PRC. Ditched again.
 
.
Within less than a decade, China will be able to militarily invade Taiwan and the US can do nothing about it. I am sure that the cost of the military operation will be much less than 1 trillion dollars that the US owes China so China might as well wait.
 
.
The USA ditched Georgia when Russia invaded them in 2008 and annexed their territory.

The USA ditched South Korea when North Korea sunk the Cheonan and killed 46 soldiers, and when they later fired a lethal barrage of artillery shells on a South Korean island. Oh and not to mention when they got nuclear weapons. No response at all.

On topic: America has already given up recognition of Taiwan in 1971, the same year they recognized the PRC as the sole representative of China.
you also forgot to mention pakistan :rofl:
 
. .
Within less than a decade, China will be able to militarily invade Taiwan and the US can do nothing about it. I am sure that the cost of the military operation will be much less than 1 trillion dollars that the US owes China so China might as well wait.

The Chinese Civil war isn't over yet and no more blood should be spilled we will Unify with Chinese Taipei without firing a bullet, Chinese Taipei current president is Chinese nationalist he might not admit it but he wants to reunify with china.
 
. .
USA can not afford to ditch taiwan... that's the fact... whatever happened in Georgia or with South Korea, USA has still been the sole super power.... But the day they give in and bend in front of China.. USA as we know it, would be over....they will lose complete pacific at one stroke.. because the day China is able to take over taiwan unopposed, they won't stop.. They will continue and capture complete south china sea with whatever they think has been with them in any map in last 2000 years....

and USA will have to either interfere, thus resulting in 3rd world war, or just keep shut and accept the supremacy of China!!!
 
.
USA can not afford to ditch taiwan... that's the fact... whatever happened in Georgia or with South Korea, USA has still been the sole super power.... But the day they give in and bend in front of China.. USA as we know it, would be over....they will lose complete pacific at one stroke.. because the day China is able to take over taiwan unopposed, they won't stop.. They will continue and capture complete south china sea with whatever they think has been with them in any map in last 2000 years....

and USA will have to either interfere, thus resulting in 3rd world war, or just keep shut and accept the supremacy of China!!!

China's domination over the South China sea and East Asia is inevitable.
 
.
Giving off 10% of the debt will not help US economy! Living with in the means will..as of now USA is a rotten empire!
 
.
China will forgive US $1 trillion of debt if they unload an entire Ohio-class submarine payload on India.
 
.
To Save Our Economy, Ditch Taiwan

By PAUL V. KANE
Published: November 10, 2011

WITH a single bold act, President Obama could correct the country’s course, help assure his re-election, and preserve our children’s future.

He needs to redefine America’s mindset about national security away from the old defense mentality that American power derives predominantly from our military might, rather than from the strength, agility and competitiveness of our economy. He should make it clear that today American jobs and wealth matter more than military prowess.

As Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, declared last year, “The most significant threat to our national security is our debt.”

There are dozens of initiatives President Obama could undertake to strengthen our economic security. Here is one: He should enter into closed-door negotiations with Chinese leaders to write off the $1.14 trillion of American debt currently held by China in exchange for a deal to end American military assistance and arms sales to Taiwan and terminate the current United States-Taiwan defense arrangement by 2015.

This would be a most precious prize to the cautious men in Beijing, one they would give dearly to achieve. After all, our relationship with Taiwan, as revised in 1979, is a vestige of the cold war.

Today, America has little strategic interest in Taiwan, which is gradually integrating with China economically by investing in and forming joint ventures with mainland Chinese firms. The island’s absorption into mainland China is inevitable.

But the status quo is dangerous; if Taiwanese nationalist politicians decided to declare independence or if Beijing’s hawks tired of waiting for integration and moved to take Taiwan by force, America could suddenly be drawn into a multitrillion-dollar war.

There will be “China hawks” who denounce any deal on Taiwan as American capitulation, but their fear of a Red China menacing Asia is anachronistic. Portraying the United States as a democratic Athens threatened by China’s autocratic Sparta makes for sensational imagery, but nothing could be further from reality.

The battle today is between competing balance sheets, and it is fought in board rooms; it is not a geopolitical struggle to militarily or ideologically “dominate” the Pacific.

In fact, China and the United States have interlocking economic interests. China’s greatest military asset is actually the United States Navy, which keeps the sea lanes safe for China’s resources and products to flow freely.

China would want a deal on Taiwan for several reasons. First, Taiwan is Beijing’s unspoken but hard-to-hide top priority for symbolic and strategic reasons; only access to water and energy mean more to Chinese leaders.

Second, a deal would open a clearer path for the gradual, orderly integration of Taiwan into China.

Third, it would undermine hard-line militarists who use the Taiwan issue to stoke nationalist flames, sideline pro-Western technocrats and extract larger military budgets. And finally, it would save China the considerable sums it has been spending on a vast military buildup.

Jeffrey Lewis, an East Asia expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, estimated that one-fourth to one-third of China’s defense spending goes to forces in the vicinity of Taiwan — at a cost of $30 billion to $50 billion a year. A deal for the resolution of Taiwan’s status could save China $500 billion in defense spending by 2020 and allow Beijing to break even by 2030, while reducing America’s debt and serving our broader economic interests.

The Chinese leadership would be startled — for a change — if the United States were to adopt such a savvy negotiating posture. Beyond reducing our debt, a Taiwan deal could pressure Beijing to end its political and economic support for pariah states like Iran, North Korea and Syria and to exert a moderating influence over an unstable Pakistan. It would be a game changer.

The deal would eliminate almost 10 percent of our national debt without raising taxes or cutting spending; it would redirect American foreign policy away from dated cold-war-era entanglements and toward our contemporary economic and strategic interests; and it would eliminate the risk of involvement in a costly war with China.

Critics will call this proposal impractical, even absurd. They will say it doesn’t have a prayer of passing Congress, and doesn’t acknowledge political realities. They might be right — today.

But by pursuing this agenda, Mr. Obama would change the calculus and political reality. And Congress should see a deal with China as an opportunity to make itself credible again.

Debt is not in itself bad, when managed, but today’s unsustainable debt will suffocate our economy, our democracy and our children’s futures.

By tackling the issue of Taiwan, Mr. Obama could address much of what ails him today, sending a message of bold foreign policy thinking and fiscal responsibility that would benefit every citizen and be understood by every voter.

Paul V. Kane, a former international security fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School, is a Marine who served in Iraq.
 
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom