Tillerson: Terror Group Ties Could Cost Pakistan Territorial Control

[BHarwana]

Mera Bhai
I am not influenced with youtube comparison videos, I have military background and I have lived and served time on the borders on the east and the west of Pakistan including LoC.

Iran
Vietnam
Afghanistan
and North Korea
are not a good example to follow for Pakistan. we dont have the stomach to face the economic and social hardship. even in current conditions surviving 2018 will be a big challenge.

Bhai look it all drains down to economics sanctions. lol. Bhai at this time USA has more chances of economic sanctions than Pakistan. Trump has signed 700 million dollar package for Pakistan and tilli is making threats why? Because of Afghanistan? No my friend. These threats have nothing to do with Afghanistan there is a different war going on, in a very different place. What economic sanctions can USA place on Pakistan any thing moved to UN will be veto by China. Pakistan is slamming USA on every issue and USA is the one on the back foot and you are telling me that we are under threat. Please analyze just past 2 months of events around the world involving USA and Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This is what happens when 4 Star General discusses foreign policies with refined corporate CEO who happens to have enough credential supported by a department and policies . Its time we as armed forces step back in foreign policy specially in case of Afghanistan and Kashmir since we did more harm then good already we loose market to India in Afghanistan and recent propaganda of Indian backed Ashraf Ghani is horrifying in which he is a living the Pakhtoonistan card once more .

Tillerson holds separate meeting with COAS Bajwa
http://nationalcourier.pk/back-page/tillerson-holds-separate-meeting-coas-bajwa/

its a good call. we need experienced people in international affairs who have support and feedback from all state institutions and the government whose ministers are not spending time on praising their former disqualified PM

Bhai look it all drains down to economics sanctions. lol. Bhai at this time USA has more chances of economic sanctions than Pakistan. Trump has signed 700 million dollar package for Pakistan and tilli is making threats why? Because of Afghanistan? No my friend. These threats have nothing to do with Afghanistan there is a different war going on, in a very different place. What economic sanctions can USA place on Pakistan any thing moved to UN will be veto by China. Pakistan is slamming USA on every issue and USA is the one on the back foot and you are telling me that we are under threat. Please analyze just past 2 months of events around the world involving USA and Pakistan.

thank you for your commentary. when it suits the powers they bypass the United nations.
I support a respectful and independent diplomacy rather than rhetoric.

 

[volatile]

its a good call. we need experienced people in international affairs who have support and feedback from all state institutions and the government whose ministers are not spending time on praising their former disqualified PM

I guess the topic will go political but if the ministers and Govts are allowed to work freely they will prove to be the same people which you referred above since the same has to answer to the people at the end of the day to public

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Right!

Lets get hold of the territory first in Afghanistan before you idiot, the land which your miserable country is responsible for as occupational force. 40% of Afghanistan is under the control of Taliban.

There should be no doubt that CIA/RAW/MOSSAD have installed the ISIS in Afghanistan and will be used against Pakistan.

 

[BHarwana]

thank you for your commentary. when it suits the powers they bypass the United nations.
I support a respectful and independent diplomacy rather than rhetoric.

You have a good memory my friend do you remember this thread.
Pakistan helped Iraq in defeating IS, says Iraqi envoy
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-helped-iraq-in-defeating-is-says-iraqi-envoy.506819/
No role explained no credit taken.

now look at this.
Gulen's terrorist organisation a threat to Pakistan's security: Erdogan
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1234198/live-turkish-president-addresses-parliament-record-third-time/

now look at this
Turkish teachers with alleged Gülen links detained in Afghanistan
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/gu...arrested-over-possession-of-child-****-124062

now this
ISIS could be preparing to form new home in Afghanistan after losing war in Iraq and Syria
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-afghanistan-new-home-extremist-terror-attack

What do you think is the design here.

who give a **** about sanctions under this situation.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You have a good memory my friend do you remember this thread.
Pakistan helped Iraq in defeating IS, says Iraqi envoy
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-helped-iraq-in-defeating-is-says-iraqi-envoy.506819/
No role explained no credit taken.

now look at this.
Gulen's terrorist organisation a threat to Pakistan's security: Erdogan
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1234198/live-turkish-president-addresses-parliament-record-third-time/

now look at this
Turkish teachers with alleged Gülen links detained in Afghanistan
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/gu...arrested-over-possession-of-child-****-124062

now this
ISIS could be preparing to form new home in Afghanistan after losing war in Iraq and Syria
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-afghanistan-new-home-extremist-terror-attack

What do you think is the design here.

who give a **** about sanctions under this situation.

we all must give a lot about sanctions specially under such situations
like I explained earlier
we need experienced and able diplomats that are not constrained by the political parties and put interests of Pakistani state first.

 

[airmarshal]

Seriously I think Americans need to see a psychiatrist. This is desperation.

 

[313ghazi]

Yeah sure ...lol

Pakistani's need to be prepared - Tillerson is warning us to get in line of face the consequences. They will never be successful inshaAllah, but they can and will cause great harm. That harm can be reduced by having a strong, stable government and a public which supports it's security forces.

 

[BHarwana]

we all must give a lot about sanctions specially under such situations
like I explained earlier
we need experienced and able diplomats that are not constrained by the political parties and put interests of Pakistani state first.

If America was in position of placing sanctions they would never make open threats they would call the PM if did not listened they would place sanctions.

 

[VCheng]

I read it differently. He is warning Pakistan about loosing territory to American aggression directly or with the support of recently ferried ISIS terrorists from Iraq and Syria into Afghanistan as per allegations of former Afghan President and Ally of the Americans who is no friend of Pakistan. together perhaps with BLA and TTP support.
time and again Americans have expressed no desire in Peace but continuing with this perpetual war, there is no intention of bringing this conflict to closure and no set time to leave the region. on one hand America demands Pakistan to help bringing Afghan taliban to negotiating table but on the same time targets their negotiators or leaders and stalling the negotiations time and again. it targets them through its assassins or drones sites preferably inside Pakistan and uses the incidence as a proof against Pakistan's collusion hiding the fact that Pakistan was supposed to be helping with negotiations on American requests and the people representing the adversaries are accorded safety.


that is correct. Americans are warning Pakistan of same tactics used against Iraq and Syria and as Karzai has claimed that Americans themselves have brought their new version of Al Qaeda via Helicopters into Afghanistan, so they intend to use them against Pakistan and Iran alike.


militarily its no problem for them.

it might seem impossible from the safety of your room behind the computer but we have third world military aimed mainly to defend against India.


they are not waiting. our men are being killed in Ambushes and IED blasts. Americans can repeat the Salala incident whenever they want. there is simply no contest here. Americans have full spectrum dominance over Russia and China. we are no where close so lets not be too generous when boasting and daring a super power.


Chinese are businessmen not fighters. the best they do is some kicking and stone throwing contest with Indians over their border dispute.

they wont risk their trillion dollar investments with America for Pakistan

IF what you say above is true (I disagree, but let us leave that aside for now), then Pakistan must take into account all these factors as it determines how to best formulate policies that serve its own national interests. Surely a solution that works for both sides exists.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

IF what you say above is true (I disagree, but let us leave that aside for now), then Pakistan must take into account all these factors as it determines how to best formulate policies that serve its own national interests. Surely a solution that works for both sides exists.

indeed, I take that statement from a very questionable person but only quoted for the sake of argument
as far as American capability to cause chaos through direct intervention is involved, you will have seen that I have no illusions unlike some other people.

“So we’re engaged in very, very frank discussions with Pakistan over the concerns we have about their own stability and their own future and the threat they’re under by allowing terrorist organisations to operate in their territory,” said the top US diplomat while underlining US concerns about Pakistan.

so Pakistani Nukes can fall into terrorist hands hence we better take them away

 

[VCheng]

indeed, I take that statement from a very questionable person but only quoted for the sake of argument
as far as American capability to cause chaos through direct intervention is involved, you will have seen that I have no illusions unlike some other people.


so Pakistani Nukes can fall into terrorist hands hence we better take them away

I remain sure that both sides will be able to work out a policy that works well for both of them.

 

[alphapak]

Are the Americans still using Pakistani supply routes?
If they are then Pak should stop these straight away.

 

[Ocean]

there is no intention of bringing this conflict to closure and no set time to leave the region. on one hand America demands Pakistan to help bringing Afghan taliban to negotiating table but on the same time targets their negotiators or leaders and stalling the negotiations time and again. it targets them through its assassins or drones sites preferably inside Pakistan and uses the incidence as a proof against Pakistan's collusion hiding the fact that Pakistan was supposed to be helping with negotiations on American requests and the people representing the adversaries are accorded safety.

Yes read exactly same account in a report about haqqanis , they were ready to negotitate with americans but when they would come for talks their entire families and members of haqqani group used to be killed in aerial bombings etc.

I also agree one should not undermine such statements and flex fake bravado.

I personally think AT THE MOMENT at most america could attempt is a salala kind of attack. Also back in 2004 when usa was hungrily seeking a chance to send bombing missions inside Fata we had denied them entry and started our operations. I think that was one of our weakest phases in this whole wot imposed on pakistan , but when at that time we did not allow them to inturde into our territory then i think now we are a bit more sublime to let them attack fata.

To me it seems like their will to start an overt or covert offensive via fata and then try finding way deep inside, n in covert scenario they would attempt thru isis.

I am taking his statement very seriously , i feel in last few years noone of such senior diplomat or usa gov official position has made such a statement where there intentions were so audaciously aired.

Few more things, 1. In salala attack our paf was not allowed to interfere, i guess tables have turned now and in any such current scenario pak airforce might spring into action.

2. Americans are too much harassed in afghanistan to open a full fledged war front against us ,they would need indias strong support against us, also they will need nato supply routes to remain open to them , in event of starting a war against pak, those routes would be shut (tho only 30 pc or even much less supplies come through our routes but will still hold impact), formthe rest supplies they depend of central asian routes, will central asian countries allow nato supplies to pass through their routes to launch an offensive against pakistan.? Also in any such scenario afghan taliban groups will up their offensive against americans inside afghani territory.

ameircas constant evasion of peace shows they want full control over afghanistan and want to completely wipe out afghan talibs, in absence of any resistant force in afghanistan it would be much easier for americans to hurt and destabilize pakistan , right now talib fighters are keeping them occupied. I feel afghan talib groups sort of provide us with a layer of security against americans sitting just across the western border.

 

[Dalit]

Has this Yankee fvck lost his mind? LOL at Pakistan is going to lose territory. They have been trying hard for the past 16 years. Shame on these Yanks and their failures. This motherfvcker is openly threatening our sovereignty. Shame on our COAS and leaders who are meeting with the US ambassador.

Time has come to call a spade a spade. Close down supply routes and show these racist and xenophobic scum the middle finger. We are feeding a bunch of backstabbers through our supply routes. The whole world is sick and tired of these warmongers. Fvck Trumpland.