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Tibetans in India..... did china forgot them?

Any citizen of any country supporting insurgency and break up of own country is not acceptable.

agree... but killing the locals.... demolishing the local culture... imposing the country language forcefully on locals is also not acceptable

India is exploiting Kashmiri resources without giving share to locals.

You dont have right to question

dont derail the thread... talk only about tibetans

between exploiting?? :woot: can you name a single resource which is found in Kashmir and not in other states

Because no one in China is ready to support their designs against China.
they are just demanding autonomy under chinese rule... not showing designs

Its up to india when it will give up supporting illegal government in exile from other countries.

we have given political asylum to them... so nothing is illegal here

Why they only go to India in the first place ????? Any specific reason ? BTW what is the exact number of Tibetans in India?
not not only to india but nepal, bhutan too.. as they are bordering nations to tibet.....

jana seriously I doubt ..... please try to put some logic in your post .. or you are just asking them because you have to ask the question

exact no of tibetans : 120,000 refugees
Refugees in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because according to Dalai lama recently he is an INDIAN so why China take an Indian citizen that too for fomenting against China.

he never did... I challenge provide any single source accept your own articles

Any govt in exile anywhere in the world is considered illegal sans any power. its just wishful thinking to consider such one as a government.

seriously?? :woot: :rofl: are you creating your own laws jana??
there is no such rule.... (think about Palestine)
 
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i think Tibetans are happy in India.i doubt they will be able to go back to Tibet.they will live in India where their kids born in India get Indian citizenship and benifits of being national of a rising nation.even if Tibetans get chance to go back to china their nex gen which born in India wont. why their next gen will live in Tibet as secondary citizens when they can live in India freely and can enjoy all rights. :coffee:
 
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I wanted to discuss this with Chinese members on this forum

there are many questions in my mind for tibetans which are in exile in India...

common man in India think tibetans are very tolerant and peace loving human beings and they are in India because china do not want them to live in their home country

and these are my questions

1. why china dont except tibetans(in exile) as its citizens?

2. there are news china is exploiting tibetan natural resources without giving share to locals... Is it true?

3. why tibetans in india do not want to go back to their motherland?

4. why tibetans continuously protest against china outside china ?

5. although they are not creating any problem for india but how long they are to stay in india... when its already more than half century they staying here?

6. every year thousands of tibetans come to India illegally.... Are they having some problem in tibet.?

7. Dalai Lama had already said he want to return Tibet why China dont give him chance?

8. Why they are forced to run a govt. in exile which absolutely have no power... and its annual budget is made by the charity given by tibetans all around the world?

I dont know it is good or bad but common indian has a soft corner in his heart for the tibetans.... every tibetan in India has pain in his heart ..that can be clearly seen in his eyes

Who is responsible for their present condition?

(no offense to any one)

India keeping Tibetans well fed and active :

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With the approval of India :

Tibetans protest as Wen arrives
Tibetans protest as Wen arrives - Hindustan Times
 
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these separatists will never be tired of protesting while they could get the supports and lots of money from the western countries!wonder whether or not they have the regular work in the real life!maybe they earn their living by engaging in such illegal activities!:angry:
 
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If china also thinks that Dalai lama is Indian than they should hand over Tibet to India because DL is the leader of Tibetans. And Tibet belonged to him and his fellow countrymen.

By your logic Since Sonia Gandhi is an Italian so India should be handed over to Italy ;)


Lets take it this way since you have added Afghanistan flag to your location and by your logic you are representing Afghanistan therefore your state (somewhere in India) should be handed over to Afghanistan :lol:

anyway when was the last time Tibet was property of Dalai Lama transferred by his father to him?? If that was the case then he should file a case for his property in his country India's Supreme Court and ask his lord the judge to give verdict in his favour after all your court can win a case for a god then he is a living human he could get his property back.
 
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agree... but killing the locals.... demolishing the local culture... imposing the country language forcefully on locals is also not acceptable


Again look at Kashmir occupied by India you are doing the same killing there. As far as local culture demolishing is concerned i wonder if Bal Thackray is not doing so with other cultures in India



dont derail the thread... talk only about tibetans

between exploiting?? :woot: can you name a single resource which is found in Kashmir and not in other states

Just go and check for yourself.


they are just demanding autonomy under chinese rule... not showing designs

The same is being demanded by Maoists and Naxals under Indian rule so why are treating them similarly then ?


we have given political asylum to them... so nothing is illegal here


By this logic China is also justify to give asylum to Maoist leaders in future if need arise and it wont be illegal right.



not not only to india but nepal, bhutan too.. as they are bordering nations to tibet....

Mainly due to budhism than political reasons unlike India where they get support against China..

jana seriously I doubt ..... please try to put some logic in your post .. or you are just asking them because you have to ask the question

since your Indian said thousands tibatans come to India illegally daily, so i was asking and still ask why INDIA?



seriously?? :are you creating your own laws jana??
there is no such rule.... (think about Palestine)

Palestine govt is not sitting in India or UK
 
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By your logic Since Sonia Gandhi is an Italian so India should be handed over to Italy ;)

First I want to say don't run away this time!!!!

lol at your logic! Sonia Gandhi is considered as an leader in India not Italy and she has Indian nationality while Dalai Lama is considered as the leader of Tibetans.


Lets take it this way since you have added Afghanistan flag to your location and by your logic you are representing Afghanistan therefore your state (somewhere in India) should be handed over to Afghanistan :lol:

The second flag made me representative Afghanistan!!! :rofl: logic!! Nothing unexpected from you! :lol: I am not a leader of the Indians like the way Dalai Lama for Tibetans.

anyway when was the last time Tibet was property of Dalai Lama transferred by his father to him??

This mean you have no respect for other religion not surprising for people like you! The Dalai Lama was the head of Tibet for many years. The govt in Tibet run under him. Than how Tibet became property of CPC?

If that was the case then he should file a case for his property in his country India's Supreme Court and ask his lord the judge to give verdict in his favour after all your court can win a case for a god then he is a living human he could get his property back.

In my country we obey the SC because there is a legal system but that is not the case of China! If CPC obey the verdict than sure India's SC will give one, after all even Gods are been treated there on equal basis.
 
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didnt knew that "Tibetan Youth Congress" do not agree with dalai lama :what:

Yup.

My understanding is that TYC is pro-violence, advocating uprising, explosion and assassination, etc, while DL is now for peaceful protest after the failed violent riot in later 1950s.

One expectation is that, after DL, TYC will have a larger chance to go violent. This will pose a more serious problem for India than for China.
 
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Again look at Kashmir occupied by India you are doing the same killing there. As far as local culture demolishing is concerned i wonder if Bal Thackray is not doing so with other cultures in India





Just go and check for yourself.




The same is being demanded by Maoists and Naxals under Indian rule so why are treating them similarly then ?





By this logic China is also justify to give asylum to Maoist leaders in future if need arise and it wont be illegal right.





Mainly due to budhism than political reasons unlike India where they get support against China..



since your Indian said thousands tibatans come to India illegally daily, so i was asking and still ask why INDIA?





Palestine govt is not sitting in India or UK

and you call your self a journalist:rofl::rofl:
listen I have great respect for journalist... and dont want to disolve it.... you are saying moist are asking about autonomy :rofl::rofl:
they just want to change Indian political structure.... Event I am too strong supporter of their ideology but not their violence...
 
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India better placed than China and Pak on corruption: Dalai Lama


NEW DELHI: Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama today said India is better placed than countries like China and Pakistan when it comes to corruption in governance and asked the "free media" here to bring out the misdeeds of politicians and officials.

He also said India has better mechanism than China to check corruption and said the judiciary here is independent and not "controlled by a party" as in the communist country.

"Corruption is there at all levels. Ultimately, self-discipline and inner moral ethics only can root out this menace. But India is better than countries like China and Pakistan," he said, after delivering the 16th Lal Bahadur Shastri Memorial Lecture here.

The spirtual leader said the judiciary in India is "independent" and is not controlled by the ruling "Congress party". "There is at least transparency and accountability. There is a free press," he said in response to a question how to tackle corruption in India.

He also said China does not have the kind of independent judiciary India has and asked the media here to "check what is going on behind" the scenes in government and other departments.

To a question on terrorism, he said is an "invisible and dangerous" problem which threatens the world.

"To tackle this, we need to go to the root cause of the problem. The emphasis should be given on fundamental values. It is kind of sin of the past," he said.

The Dalai Lama also said only through education and awareness peace "can be brought" to the world and not through prayers.

"I don't belive that only prayers can bring peace. It is hardwork and awarness and education which can bring peace," he said.

He also regretted the absence of lessons on moral and ethical values in the modern education system and pitched for its inclusion.
 
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India better placed than China and Pak on corruption: Dalai Lama


NEW DELHI: Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama today said India is better placed than countries like China and Pakistan when it comes to corruption in governance and asked the "free media" here to bring out the misdeeds of politicians and officials.

He also said India has better mechanism than China to check corruption and said the judiciary here is independent and not "controlled by a party" as in the communist country.

"Corruption is there at all levels. Ultimately, self-discipline and inner moral ethics only can root out this menace. But India is better than countries like China and Pakistan," he said, after delivering the 16th Lal Bahadur Shastri Memorial Lecture here.

The spirtual leader said the judiciary in India is "independent" and is not controlled by the ruling "Congress party". "There is at least transparency and accountability. There is a free press," he said in response to a question how to tackle corruption in India.

He also said China does not have the kind of independent judiciary India has and asked the media here to "check what is going on behind" the scenes in government and other departments.

To a question on terrorism, he said is an "invisible and dangerous" problem which threatens the world.

"To tackle this, we need to go to the root cause of the problem. The emphasis should be given on fundamental values. It is kind of sin of the past," he said.

The Dalai Lama also said only through education and awareness peace "can be brought" to the world and not through prayers.

"I don't belive that only prayers can bring peace. It is hardwork and awarness and education which can bring peace," he said.

He also regretted the absence of lessons on moral and ethical values in the modern education system and pitched for its inclusion.

lol since when did Dalai go from monk to a policy expert? What? Being a monk wasn't paying enough, so he has to moon light as world authority on corruption? I'll stick with recognized bodies like Transparency International thank... (link)


*who incidently still says India is more corrupt than China. I guess they haven't gotten the memo from his holiness.
 
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i think Tibetans are happy in India.i doubt they will be able to go back to Tibet.they will live in India where their kids born in India get Indian citizenship and benifits of being national of a rising nation.even if Tibetans get chance to go back to china their nex gen which born in India wont. why their next gen will live in Tibet as secondary citizens when they can live in India freely and can enjoy all rights. :coffee:

According to your caste system, Tibetans in India are not better than a "out caste".

For your reference, here is a report from France:
The Dalai Lama's demons

The Dalai Lama is respected worldwide for his peaceful philosophy. Today, some exiled Tibetans, shunned by their peers, no longer believe in his leadership. A controversial buddhist deity lies at the heart of the dispute. (Report: C. Henry, N. Haque)

Tibet’s exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, is revered as a hero by his people and respected world-wide for his peaceful philosophy. Today, however, there are cracks at the heart of his community. A minority of Tibetans exiled in India, including monks, no longer believe in his leadership, and are shunned by their peers. France 24 correspondents Capucine Henry and Nicolas Haque take a closer look into the widening rift that threatens to tear apart the Tibetan people.


In a hitherto peaceful village of Tibetan refugees in southern India, certain monks can no longer enter their monastery, and are banned from stores and public places, including hospitals. Their crime? Revering a god considered a demon by the Dalai Lama.


The controversial Buddhist deity of Dorje Shugden lies at the heart of the conflict. Considered by some as an enlightened tutelary deity and by others as a malevolent force, it was labeled a demon by the Dalai Lama himelf. He made this clear last January, in a speech imbued with rare violence at a Tibetan university in Southern India.

A historic speech


“I have meditated and considered (my decision to put aside the Shugden) at length in my soul and spirit before coming to the right decision”, he said. People have killed, lied, fought each other and set things alight in the name of this deity. These monks must be expelled from all monasteries. If they are not happy, you can tell them that the Dalai Lama himself asked that this be done, and it is very urgent.”


The speech was a historic moment in the history of Tibetan Buddhism, and the beginning of a schism which could exclude the four million Tibetans followers of Shugden. A few weeks after the Dalai Lama's speech, Shugden monks could no longer enter monasteries. They regroup themselves outside village walls and meditate on why the Dalai Lama has excluded him.


“Can the Dalai Lama really ban an entire religion?” asks one. “We are in the right, he’s the one who is being incoherent. On one hand, he’s always preaching freedom of religion and compassion, but on the other he’s forbidding us to worship the god we choose”, says another.

Apartheid in Buddhist land


Photos of Shugden leaders are posted on city walls, branding them as traitors. Signs at the entrance of stores and hospitals forbid Shugden followers from entry. It’s apartheid, in Buddhist land.


Our reporters followed an ostracized Buddhist monk as he tried to affront the fellow villagers who have banned him. “We’re not violating Buddha’s teachings, and we’re excluded from everywhere just because of our religion” he complains.


“Aren’t you ashamed of betraying the Dalai Lama? You’re a monk! He is our only pillar, the only person we can count on,” he is asked.


In India, Shugden followers are forced to go into hiding. “I fled my house three days ago” says an old woman taken in by a family 300 kilometers away from her home. “I was the only Shugden in my village. Every day I grew more afraid of attacks.I had to block my door with stones for people not to break into my house”.


Pro-Chinese ‘traitors’


Behind this Shugden witch-hunt lies the fear of Chinese infiltration in the ranks of the Tibetan refugees. In the northern Indian city of Dharamsala, home of the Dalai Lama and the exiled Tibetan government, Shugden followers, with their open Chinese sympathies are considered a political threat.


“The Shugden and the Chinese are obviously allies,” says the Tibetan Prime Minister, professor Samdhong Rinpoche. “Their cults all over the world are financed by the Chinese”. He adds that “people are afraid of Shugden violence. They are like terrorists, they will stop at nothing, everyone knows this.” To prove his point, he shows our reporters the photo of the murder of a leading Buddhist monk and two of his disciples in 1997. Tibetans are certain the Shugden are behind the murder.


A leading Shugden figure, Mahalama Losbang Yechi, defends his links with the Chinese community: “I approve the Chinese presence in Tibet. What we are living with the Dalai Lama today shows how authoritarian his theocratic regime must have been in the past. It was much more violent than what Tibetans are living today under Chinese rule.”


Yechi has filed a lawsuit against the Dalai Lama in an Indian high court for religious persecution. He denies acting on the orders of Chinese authorities.


Shugden followers, willingly or not, have become the symbol of a schism that threatens the struggle for Tibetan autonomy. For that, thousands of refugees have begun to pay a price.

France24 - The Dalai Lama's demons

Please watch the movie attached. See how those poor Tibetans that are oppressed by Dalai Lama today. That's a true Dalai Lama that is a standard dictator.

People must have the freedom as what to believe and what not to believe!
 
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According to your caste system, Tibetans in India are not better than a "out caste".

For your reference, here is a report from France:


Please watch the movie attached. See how those poor Tibetans that are oppressed by Dalai Lama today. That's a true Dalai Lama that is a standard dictator.

People must have the freedom as what to believe and what not to believe!

hallo mr. Pakistani. are u ashamed of showing ure true identity, that u have to hide behind false flag ?
 
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I found the movie clips from you tube with lower resolution:

Part 1:

Part 2:

Stop oppressing and discriminating people with different believes! :bounce:

Whichever government letting live this type of tyranny is an evil government.
 
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hallo mr. Pakistani. are u ashamed of showing ure true identity, that u have to hide behind false flag ?

You fool! You miserably lack imaginations in doing this job... my fellow Americans even want to shot me dead..., but I'm not surprised as you are probably one of the half billion illiterates.

You are pardoned and dismissed, loser! :lol:
 
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