Tianenmen Square Incident

[Keel]

This young man should be remembered for he was the person to declare the martial law and just died the same day 2 decades later.
No other people dare to do the thing but he did it.

He was just reading the script like the first day on his job wasnt he?

 

[Keel]

It is you who should learn more..
if you have your house taken by CCP, you will understand
CCP will not do something that will cause public anger.
Yet they will do a lot of thing that may cause small group of people anger.

You are lucky that it is 开发商 who take your house, not gangsters..
If you are facing gangsters, you will not be that happy...

What if the gangster are employed by government?
And when you call police, the police deny to deal with this issue?

Not all the land forfeiture deals are treated badly across China
Some county and village level officials have been causing the trouble when they may have vested interests
The Central Government needs to expand its budget for more investigative functions under the Central Commission for Displine Inspection of the Communist Party

 

[Genesis]

I think China's foreign policy won't be very different than what it is today but you'd have more allies as it won't be seen as a dictatorship.China's "needs" would still be the same.

then, how does this matter to you?

BTW, just a side note, do you consider Romania, Western?

 

[tranquilium]

I think China's foreign policy won't be very different than what it is today but you'd have more allies as it won't be seen as a dictatorship.China's "needs" would still be the same.

then, how does this matter to you?

BTW, just a side note, do you consider Romania, Western?

Considering US counts Saudi Arabia as one of its biggest allies, the "dictatorship" bit has zero influence on whether you have allies. Considering how many allies USSR lost when it disintegrated, there is no way China's external environment would be anywhere as good as it is today.

 

[ashok mourya]

 

[flamer84]

then, how does this matter to you?

BTW, just a side note, do you consider Romania, Western?

It's a forum,we're talking about it.Romania isn't a fully Western country but it adheres to most Western values altough it has its own caracteristics.I know people see us as ex communist but we were a democracy since 1859 until 1939(than from 1990 again),so,longer than communism.

 

[Edison Chen]

Watch it from 6:44

And this:

Brazen foreign media.

 

[JSCh]

OP-ED from Global Times.

Public opinion on 1989 not swayed by outside disturbances
Source:Global Times Published: 2015-6-6 0:53:01

Around June 4, rallies of various scales took place in Hong Kong, Taipei and New York. Participants raised radical demands over the political turmoil that happened 26 years ago in Beijing. Two US lawmakers also issued an open letter, demanding the Chinese government reassess the incident.

However, things are quiet on the Chinese mainland. The public has again followed the political tradition formed these years, which is no comment and no debate over the incident.

There is already an official conclusion over the upheaval, known in China as the "1989 political turmoil." The Chinese public's perception of the incident has weathered various changes and events in and out of the country. Although officials and the media seldom openly talk about the 1989 turmoil, an agreement has gradually taken shape.

The 1989 political turmoil happened not long before the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the drastic changes in Eastern Europe. Most of the Chinese people believe the ending of the 1989 turmoil was a watershed that marked the different destinations of China and the Soviet Union. Many feel lucky that China took a different path and avoided the fate of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

On the Chinese mainland, the fierce emotions of many students and other activists of the 1989 incident have been dissolved by the country's later development and prosperity. Keeping quiet in public places about the 1989 turmoil has been accepted by the public as a political strategy to maintain social unity. Many are willing to keep this tradition.

Of course, in a society of China's size, it is inevitable that some people do not want to follow this rule. They are either political challengers or are eager to show their anti-mainstream stances. However, they are not necessarily people who represent the conscience of society, as they have claimed. They often have strong awareness of their individual interests.

The US, Hong Kong and Taiwan are the places where such "commemorations" take place most frequently.

Activists in recent "commemoration" rallies of the 1989 incident often comprise several groups. One group mainly includes "student leaders" who fled to the US and overseas political dissidents.

Their number has been dwindling, as many fugitives either began to lose interest in politics, or have changed their mind. Few people insist on their radical political ideas like 26 years ago.

The second group is a hodgepodge of those against the Chinese political system, including members of the Falun Gong cult, Tibetan separatists and Xinjiang separatists. They ally with those earlier political fugitives who sought a "democratic movement."

The third group consists of radicals in Hong Kong and Taiwan, and younger people who were born after the 1989 turmoil and consider street politics fashionable.

All in all, the progress China has made in the past 26 years is an undeniable fact, contrasted to a multitude of political tragedies that have taken place elsewhere in the world. That serves as a powerful reference frame to judge the political turmoil of 1989. It is taking effect by subtly influencing the public opinion on the turmoil. Radical voices from the West, Hong Kong and Taiwan can't compete with this frame of reference at all.

From Hong Kong and Taiwan to New York, addicts of June 4 apparently amused themselves by holding "commemorative activities" in the past few days, but they don't have any actual influence on the Chinese mainland. The organizers have parochial motivations, which are related to their own vested interests.

The Chinese public has seen through these people.

 

[ashok mourya]

Is democracy demand in china died?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This is getting really boring.
OK here are the facts....again.

google search for "tiananmen square bicycle bodies"

***** Warning **** Pic of tanks and dead people

 

[ashok mourya]

pic of people squished by tank
tiananmen square incident - Google Search

Any one moved to International court against this massacre? What'sthe reaction of other nations to this incident.?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Any one moved to International court against this massacre? What'sthe reaction of other nations to this incident.?

Arms embargo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Reactions to Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[chauism]

Is democracy demand in china died?

It is not only died within China, but almost dead oversea as well as those organizations who promote democracy suffer from internal disputes and infighting. Much support was lost over issues such as Most favored nation status and China's entry to WTO which was popular both within China and outside but were opposed by oversea Chinese democracy movement.

An interesting note is that one of the leaders of July 4th Student movement, Wu'erkaixi. His life right now is exactly how others preceive the whole democracy movement. Not much welcomed anywhere, and completely ignored by the Chinese government even if he wanted to turn himself. No difference from an attention seeking clown.

After 20 years, he is still the second most wanted person in China for his role at Tiananmen. On June 3, 2009, he arrived in Macao in transit to China intending to surrender and clear his name in court. The Macao authorities refused to arrest him and had him deported to Taiwan.[8] In 2009, Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou praised the progress on human rights in China in his comment on the 20th anniversary of the Tian'anmen incident of 1989. Wu'erkaixi criticized the comment of Ma, saying that he could not understand what progress on human rights Ma meant.[9] On 4 June 2010, he was arrested by the Japanese police in Tokyo, when he tried to force his way into the Chinese Embassy in order to turn himself in.[10] He was released two days later without charge.[11] On 18 May 2012, he tried to turn himself in the third time to the Chinese embassy in Washington DC, where the Chinese embassy decided to ignore him completely.[12][13] He again attempted to turn himself in at Hong Kong in late 2013, with the same outcome as before.

Wu'erkaixi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[chauism]

Arms embargo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Reactions to Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Japan: The Japanese government called the response "intolerable" and froze loans to China. Japan was also the first member of the G7 to restore high level relations with China in the following months.

Japan could not even wait for a year?
I could not help myself wondering whether Japan's action was the smartest or the most laughable one. Anyways you know most of those reactions were just lip services like Japan's.

United States: The United States Congress and media criticized the military action. President George H. W. Bush suspended military sales and visits to that country. Large scale protests against the Chinese government took place around the country.[18] George Washington University revealed that, through high-level secret channels on 30 June 1989, the US government conveyed to the government of the People's Republic of China that the events around the Tiananmen Square protests were an "internal affair".

Hmmm..., that is the first of its kind. When is the last time US sees something that big as someone else's internal affair.

 

[Huan]

Is democracy demand in china died?

Not seen in major news networks so far. No special coverage as of now. News concerning China is mostly focused on the South China Sea at the moment.