Three massive warships wow the crowds in Portsmouth, the home of the Royal Navy

[Shotgunner51]

By Mark Duell for MailOnline

Published: 17:32 GMT, 12 January 2015 | Updated: 09:37 GMT, 14 January 2015

• Chinese ambassador and flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents welcome ships into Portsmouth Naval Base
• Formal visit from Chinese naval ships is aimed at enhancing military understanding between itself and Britain
• Assault ship Chang Bai Shan has been accompanied by frigate Yun Cheng and replenishment ship Chaohu
• Senior officers from both navies will discuss maritime topics during visit including counter-piracy operations
• Last year China increased its military budget by 12% to more than £86billion - compared to £33billion in the UK

Three Chinese naval ships have docked at a British base for a formal visit that samples the strength of the fleet being built up by the country.

Chinese ambassador Liu Xiaoming and hundreds of flag-waving UK-based Chinese residents welcomed the ships into Portsmouth Naval Base.

Heading a task group on enhancing military understanding between the two countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan.

She was accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng and the replenishment ship Chaohu at the Hampshire dockyard.

During the five-day visit, senior officers from both navies will discuss maritime topics including counter-piracy operations across the Indian Ocean.

Arrival: Three Chinese Naval ships berthed at Portsmouth Dockyard. HMS Warrior (bottom) and HMS Victory (right) can also be seen

At the front: Heading the task group on improving military understanding between the countries is the assault ship Chang Bai Shan (pictured)

Also on the scene: The assault ship has been accompanied by the frigate Yun Cheng (pictured) and the replenishment ship Chaohu

The visit comes seven months after a report from the US Pentagon which examined how China was growing the size and reach of its naval fleet.

And that followed revelations that China was increasing its military budget by 12 per cent to more than £86billion - compared to £33billion in the UK.

China now spends three times as much as India on defence - and more than neighbouring Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan and South Korea put together.

Task group commander Rear Admiral Zhang Chuansha said: ‘Our visit to the UK is a good opportunity to enhance our understanding of each other.

‘It’s a great opportunity for our sailors to get exposure to local people and our counterparts in the British Navy.

‘All sailors share something in common. We share the same sea, the same international obligations such as dealing with piracy.'

Ambassador Liu Xiaoming said: ‘This visit gives a flavour of the partnership between China and the UK.

‘It is also good for the British public to understand the Chinese military and what it is able to do. It has been seven years since our last visit.

‘The world has changed and so has the reach of the Chinese navy.

'We’ve carried out 48 missions in the Gulf region in that time and helped to protect 6,000 vessels.

‘So we have a lot to talk about - there is a lot for the two navies to share.

'And this visit will go a long way to strengthening our relationship.’

Commodore Jeremy Rigby, naval base commander, said: ‘We welcome our Chinese visitors to the operational home of the Royal Navy.

‘As with our ship visits abroad, these events are not only of great diplomatic significance, but also very useful militarily given that we share similar global challenges including counter-piracy, preventing conflict, protecting our citizens overseas and supporting UN peacekeeping efforts.

‘China, like us, relies on trade at sea for its prosperity and we work together around the world.

‘The visit to Portsmouth is a really good way for us to talk, navy to navy, with like-minded sailors, sharing information on our operations.’

Crew members from all three vessels will be given tours of local attractions including HMS Victory, HMS Warrior and the Mary Rose.

They will also be shown around the Royal Navy’s newest warship, Type 45 destroyer HMS Duncan.

The two nations will also compete in badminton and basketball matches at HMS Temeraire in Portsmouth - the Navy’s home of physical training.

The ships’ last port of call was Salalah in Oman and they will leave Portsmouth this Friday to head for Kiel in Germany.

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[Azizam]

Why is the comment section full of so many paranoid comments?

 

[Pakistani E]

Why is the comment section full of so many paranoid comments?

Its the daily mail....expecting sensible comments from DM readers is like expecting a blood donation from a vampire.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The Chang Bai Shan looks really nice.

 

[metronome]

what flags are they flying ?

 

[opruh]

Britain is no match to China's naval power.

 

[Shinigami]

Britain is no match to China's naval power.

nor is its false flag army anywhere near that of china

i agree that china has more ships, but it lacks the much needed expertise of the royal navy or indian navy

 

[Shotgunner51]

nor is its false flag army anywhere near that of china

i agree that china has more ships, but it lacks the much needed expertise of the royal navy or indian navy

Funny what this "false flag" is about? ...

"i agree" it doesn't need your agreement, you can't disagree or i wanna see you try ...

In a non-India related thread, why bring India which doesn't even rank top 5 in Asia let alone workdwide, used by no navy as international benchmark/standard, into discussion? ...

 

[AgentOrange]

nor is its false flag army anywhere near that of china

i agree that china has more ships, but it lacks the much needed expertise of the royal navy or indian navy

I like how you included the indian navy at the end there. But I seriously doubt even you believe what you wrote.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I like how you included the indian navy at the end there. But I seriously doubt even you believe what you wrote.

Yeah I like the way they slip in India in such a subtle way, so quietly, almost undetected. Though get busted as usual, gotta admit their resilience in trying.
Oh chance is he may not doubt even for a second, I have never seen massive delusion of such an epic scale. ...

 

[Shinigami]

I like how you included the indian navy at the end there. But I seriously doubt even you believe what you wrote.

Yeah I like the way they slip in India in such a subtle way, so quietly, almost undetected. Though get busted as usual, gotta admit their resilience in trying.
Oh chance is he may not doubt even for a second, I have never seen massive delusion of such an epic scale. ...

you know what? you ladies are right. the newly built chinese navy which has proved its match against vietnamese and Filipino fishing boats is waay better than the indian navy which has only sunk destroyers, frigates, subs, bombed ports and airports using aircraft carriers, and has the best kill ratio in the planet. But chinese navy can take on fishing boats. WOW thats a whole new level.

i mean.... what was i even thinking?

 

[AgentOrange]

you know what? you ladies are right. the newly built chinese navy which has proved its match against vietnamese and Filipino fishing boats is waay better than the indian navy which has only sunk destroyers, frigates, subs, bombed ports and airports using aircraft carriers, and has the best kill ratio in the planet. But chinese navy can take on fishing boats. WOW thats a whole new level.

i mean.... what was i even thinking?

And India did all that 40/50 years ago. When was the last time the Indian navy engaged in any significant fleet action that warrants your ranking it on par with the Royal Navy in terms of expertise?

By your logic, the Indian army should be judged on it's expertise *today* based on how it performed 50 some years ago...say around 1962. After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Here's a tip: stop your failed attempts at condescension and stop trying to portray India's armed forces as anything other than the military of a nation with more poor than all of Sub-Saharan Africa combined.

 

[Shinigami]

And India did all that 40/50 years ago. When was the last time the Indian navy engaged in any significant fleet action that warrants your ranking it on par with the Royal Navy in terms of expertise?

By your logic, the Indian army should be judged on it's expertise *today* based on how it performed 50 some years ago...say around 1962. After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Here's a tip: stop your failed attempts at condescension and stop trying to portray India's armed forces as anything other than the military of a nation with more poor than all of Sub-Saharan Africa combined.

the indian navy of 40/50 years ago is not the same as it is today. its become a lot more powerful. and the best part is, this is happening below the radar. without threatening fishing ships of small countries. (and running away when their warships come )
1962 was a whole different ball game because indian army then consisted of a few 1000 men armed with sticks and stones against a massive PLA human wave that outnumbered it 25:1 initially and 10:1 towards the end. nobody should face those odds.

Here is another tip: that "more poor than sub saharan africa" was long time ago

besides, i wouldnt think much about your military if i were you. its mostly hot air

While recent years have witnessed atremendous Chinese propaganda effortaimed at convincing the world that the PRC is a serious military player that is owed respect, outsiders often forget that China does not even have a professional military.The PLA, unlike the armed forces of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and other regional heavyweights, is by definition not a professional fighting force. Rather, it is a “party army,” the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Indeed, all career officers in the PLA are members of the CCP and all units at the company level and above have political officers assigned to enforce party control. Likewise, all important decisions in the PLA are made by Communist Party committees that are dominated by political officers, not by operators. This system ensures that the interests of the party’s civilian and military leaders are merged, and for this reason new Chinese soldiers entering into the PLA swear their allegiance to the CCP, not to the PRC constitution or the people of China.

China’s Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military | The Diplomat

 

[Beast]

the indian navy of 40/50 years ago is not the same as it is today. its become a lot more powerful. and the best part is, this is happening below the radar. without threatening fishing ships of small countries. (and running away when their warships come )
1962 was a whole different ball game because indian army then consisted of a few 1000 men armed with sticks and stones against a massive PLA human wave that outnumbered it 25:1 initially and 10:1 towards the end. nobody should face those odds.

Here is another tip: that "more poor than sub saharan africa" was long time ago
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besides, i wouldnt think much about your military if i were you. its mostly hot air

While recent years have witnessed atremendous Chinese propaganda effortaimed at convincing the world that the PRC is a serious military player that is owed respect, outsiders often forget that China does not even have a professional military.The PLA, unlike the armed forces of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and other regional heavyweights, is by definition not a professional fighting force. Rather, it is a “party army,” the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Indeed, all career officers in the PLA are members of the CCP and all units at the company level and above have political officers assigned to enforce party control. Likewise, all important decisions in the PLA are made by Communist Party committees that are dominated by political officers, not by operators. This system ensures that the interests of the party’s civilian and military leaders are merged, and for this reason new Chinese soldiers entering into the PLA swear their allegiance to the CCP, not to the PRC constitution or the people of China.

China’s Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military | The Diplomat

Quoting a bogus post does not make you a genuis. Much like you some use Steve Emerson anti- terror expertise to use as a gauge for UK Birmingham.

Indian Navy recent past few years of serious mishap more or less expose lack of professionalism/training with a ever shrinking budget that will make things worst.

 

[AgentOrange]

the indian navy of 40/50 years ago is not the same as it is today. its become a lot more powerful. and the best part is, this is happening below the radar. without threatening fishing ships of small countries. (and running away when their warships come )
1962 was a whole different ball game because indian army then consisted of a few 1000 men armed with sticks and stones against a massive PLA human wave that outnumbered it 25:1 initially and 10:1 towards the end. nobody should face those odds.

Here is another tip: that "more poor than sub saharan africa" was long time ago
View attachment 184171

besides, i wouldnt think much about your military if i were you. its mostly hot air

While recent years have witnessed atremendous Chinese propaganda effortaimed at convincing the world that the PRC is a serious military player that is owed respect, outsiders often forget that China does not even have a professional military.The PLA, unlike the armed forces of the United States, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and other regional heavyweights, is by definition not a professional fighting force. Rather, it is a “party army,” the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Indeed, all career officers in the PLA are members of the CCP and all units at the company level and above have political officers assigned to enforce party control. Likewise, all important decisions in the PLA are made by Communist Party committees that are dominated by political officers, not by operators. This system ensures that the interests of the party’s civilian and military leaders are merged, and for this reason new Chinese soldiers entering into the PLA swear their allegiance to the CCP, not to the PRC constitution or the people of China.

China’s Deceptively Weak (and Dangerous) Military | The Diplomat

LMAO, Human development indices don't lie. India can "revise" their definition of poverty and play with PPP all they want but at the end of the day, India is one of the worst places on earth to live. Even more polluted than China but with none of the infrastructure and rise in living standards to show for it. Top 20 most polluted cities in the world - CNN.com

But here's something for you.

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China is at 91. India is at 135. China is over 40 spots ahead of India. So the reality is that India still has more poor than all of Sub-Saharan Africa. In fact, on that list, there are several African countries that are more developed than India. No one is buying your BS. For a country where the vast majority of the populace has never heard of indoor plumbing, it's laughable when you talk about your navy's "expertise."

As for 1962, Indian soldiers were perfectly well armed. And China never outnumbered India 25:1. That's an Indian lie to cover your shameful humiliation and no one, including yourself, actually believes that. China inflicted casualties at a ratio of 4.5:1 and captured thousands of your cowardly soldiers. In fact, China was gracious enough to polish your army's weapons before returning them to you. It wasn't hard. They'd never been fired and only dropped once.

Even today, PLA patrols violate your borders with impunity, sometimes staying for as long as 2 weeks at a time. Before you try to convince all of us, unsuccessfully I might add, of India's imaginary military prowess, learn to defend your own borders first.